2023 WC Final

[Serbian_Layup]

Annihilated by the MVP of the tournament.

Bogdan was doubled for the most time, it wasn't strict one on one defense. How do you think Serbia had all those open shots in the second half?

[Killer Bob]

I already explained that during the game vs Germany when they were shooting above 70% for 2FG in first half, I only thought of Lucic and Kalinic and how much better we could have played defense on the perimeter not allowing the space for so many drives with their physicality. Maybe we could have won with them but we certainly didnt lose becuase of them not playing. Germany was better and deserved to win.

Grateful for Luka's whinning, to be more precise.

Sure he likes to whine, but with refereeing Serbia had, Brooks would be out in Q1 with nonstop holding Luka. But he somehow made only 2 Pfs in the match. He had 4 against Serbia early in 3rd playing with half of intensity.

Luka was cursing at Fiba representatives during the game.

[Killer Bob]

Bogdan was doubled for the most time, it wasn't strict one on one defense. How do you think Serbia had all those open shots in the second half?

He wasn't doubled much in the 4th. He mostly didn't even have the ball, it was Avramovic, who was playing Iso. And even, if he was guarded well, Serbia could have had few screens and created shots for Bogdan, who's great off ball player too. But strangely he was mostly standing still in the corner. He was too passive in any case. How many open 3s has Serbia had in Q4? Not many.

[thiago94]

First of all, thank you guys! Today might be the best sport-related day in my life. Major kudos to Serbia! Overcoming so many obstacles and still fighting for the World Cup Title till the end might be as much of a cinderella story as Germany and Latvia are praised to be. It was joyful to watch, how nicely the Serbian team congratulated our team right after the game, that was class. I was lacking class as aspected during the game, that's something I knew in advance, but after someone was accusing the refs of shipping us, I threw my principles away and started to spam this thread during the game. Calling Avramovic a clown, is not nice, that is for sure. I won't lose any sleep over though, as I can't stand players faking like this. Yes, I might lack some objectivity, and in this certain situation Schroeder made a dirty play creating contact with his leg, but to pretend to be kicked at the head lacks sportsmanship. At some point, maybe after I watched the game in relive without overboarding emotions, I will come back to discuss about the FIBA refs. Something has to be done. Until that, I will praise our complete team, our hidden heroes as Bonga and Voigtmann. Both played a complete game, offensively and defensively, I haven't seen this coming. Not sure what else I can contribute to this game, the stories after the win were way more beautiful than this great performance on the court. The interviews, the celebration of Coach Herbert and all players involved, even Kraemer, as a German you have to love this team. The chemistry is unique spoken of my German perspective, how they treat all the people from the media, the staff behind the team, how the players outside the rotation enjoy to be part of this team, it is a joy. Same as the interview of the parents of the Wagner brothers. Sooo modest and kind, no wonder Franz and Moe turned into super humble, reflective and nice human beings. F*cking Andy Obst and Thiemann who I have seen playing for Bambergs cooperational team in the third and second division, hugging each other right after the game, it gave me goosebumps. Thiemann was not even supposed to become a first divisional player in Germany, he is the result of worth ethic only. Obst was talented, but it was a long and difficult way for him to get on this level. During an internships some years ago I was able to watch him in practice every single day and I can say, its no coincidence he developed into some player receiving MVP chants. Always the first, always the last in practice. He is a great guy as well, making constantly fun of himself, being nice to everyone. This WC title is not special because of the outcome, its special because of the journey. As the parents of the Wagner brothers said, the golden medal is glittering nicely, but the thing what matters to them is the sparkle in their sons happy eyes. There is cinderella everywhere and I am going to enjoy this. I wish you all a great evening and thank you guys, for you nicely comments after the game.

[Serbian_Layup]

Sure he likes to whine, but with refereeing Serbia had, Brooks would be out in Q1 with nonstop holding Luka. But he somehow made only 2 Pfs in the match. He had 4 against Serbia early in 3rd playing with half of intensity.

Luka was cursing at Fiba representatives during the game.

Refs were good in Serbia-Canada game, allowing physical game but calling obvious fouls. Today's game was also fine in that sense, but Germany used their physicality better than Serbia did.

[Serbian_Layup]

He wasn't doubled much in the 4th. He mostly didn't even have the ball, it was Avramovic, who was playing Iso. And even, if he was guarded well, Serbia could have had few screens and created shots for Bogdan, who's great off ball player too. But strangely he was mostly standing still in the corner. He was too passive in any case.

Avramovic was the hot hand, and he didn't have intention passing that ball late. Again, if half of those open shots generated from Bogdan's gravity were made, no one would mention Bogdan being passive but playing smart basketabll.

[Killer Bob]

Avramovic was the hot hand, and he didn't have intention passing that ball late. Again, if half of those open shots generated from Bogdan's gravity were made, no one would mention Bogdan being passive but playing smart basketabll.

Steph has that kind of gravity, but he's not standing still most of the time and it can't happen to him that he doesn't shoot in the entire q4. Bogdan's last shot was 15 minutes before the end. He didn't make Fg in second half.

[Serbian_Layup]

Steph has that kind of gravity, but he's not standing still most of the time and it can't happen that he doesn't shoot in the entire q4. Bogdan's last shot was 15 minutes before the end.

However you look into it, he is the last reason to be called for this loss. Some other things didn't go well, and Dobric's injury didn't help us either. We had many chances to turn it around, but we didn't hit open shots. That's all you can ask for in such games.

[Killer Bob]

However you look into it, he is the last reason to be called for this loss. Some other things didn't go well, and Dobric's injury didn't help us either. We had many chances to turn it around, but we didn't hit open shots. That's all you can ask for in such games.

Do you believe Germany would have won, if Schroder didn't make a single Fg in a second half? In the Final your best player should be doing something, if you want realistic chances.

[Serbian_Layup]

Do you believe Germany would have won, if Schroder didn't make a single Fg in a second half? In the Final your best player should be doing something, if you want realistic chances.

He did. He created open shots. Guduric hiitting a completely open three generated by Bogdan after getting a steal was pretty realistic. Both Stefan and Nikola Jovic missed those shots too, Davidovac...The cause for loss is Germany playing better and us not making our pretty good chances. Bogdan is definitely not a scapegoat here.

[Killer Bob]

He did. He created open shots. Guduric hiitting a completely open three generated by Bogdan after getting a steal was pretty realistic.

Man, 1 steal and 1 open shot created and nothing else in last 7 minutes just isn't enough for the leader of the team. I like Bogdan very much but we have to be objective there, he didn't do enough, when it mattered most.

[paspalj]

Do you believe Germany would have won, if Schroder didn't make a single Fg in a second half? In the Final your best player should be doing something, if you want realistic chances.

But even with how Bogdan ended up performing, they still had chances to get close and even win the game. I don't get this argument. Actually, the way Germany was playing they were giving the impression that if Dennis didn't hit his shots, someone else would step up.

[Killer Bob]

But even with how Bogdan ended up performing, they still had chances to get close and even win the game. I don't get this argument. Actually, the way Germany was playing they were giving the impression that if Dennis didn't hit his shots, someone else would step up.

Germany were controlling the game pretty well from the end of the 3rd and Serbia desperately needed Bogdan in that period. The opening was very small after Avramovic' heroics, Germany always looked in control.

You mean if something didn't happen and something else could have happened. A lot of ifs.

Bottom line is, Dennis preformed and Bogdan didn't. First is world champion and MVP other isn't.

[Serbian_Layup]

Germany were controlling the game pretty well from the end of the 3rd and Serbia desperately needed Bogdan in that period.

You mean if something didn't happen and something else could have happened. A lot of ifs.

Bottom line is, Dennis preformed and Bogdan isn't. First is world champion and MVP other isn't.

Schroder is a world champion due to team performing well, not just him. If it was only up to Schroder, Germany would have been eliminated in 1/4 vs Latvia. German team did well, while Serbian didn't in this particular game. Looking for individual scapegoats in colective sports is ridiculous. Aside from that, Schroder is playing with Franz Wagner, it's little bit different when you can share responsibiltiy with such player and use his gravity.

[Killer Bob]

Schroder is a world champion due to team performing well, not just him. If it was only up to Schroder, Germany would have been eliminated in 1/4 vs Latvia. German team did well, while Serbian didn't in this particular game. Looking for individual scapegoats in colective sports is ridiculous. Aside from that, Schroder is playing with Franz Wagner, it's little bit different when you can share responsibiltiy with such player and use his gravity.

... and great Final game. I started this conversation only because some people here want Guduric as scapegoat. Expectations were a bit different for Bogdan and other members of Serbian team.