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  • 2023 FIBA World Cup [Manila, Okinawa, Jakarta, Aug 25-Sep 10]




    First Round


    Group A

    25/08 ANG 67 ITA 81
    25/08 DOM 87 PHI 81
    27/08 ITA 82 DOM 87
    27/08 PHI 70 ANG 80
    29/08 ANG 67 DOM 75
    29/08 PHI 83 ITA 90

    -Dominican Republic 3W-0L
    -Italy 2W-1L
    Angola 1W-2L
    Philippines 0W-3L


    Group B

    26/08 SSD 96 PUR 101
    26/08 SRB 105 CHN 63
    28/08 CHN 69 SSD 89
    28/08 PUR 77 SRB 94
    30/08 SSD 83 SRB 115
    30/08 CHN 89 PUR 107

    -Serbia 3W-0L
    -Puerto Rico 2W-1L
    South Sudan 1W-2L
    China 0W-3L


    Group C

    26/08 JOR 71 GRE 92
    26/08 USA 99 NZL 72
    28/08 NZL 95 JOR 87
    28/08 GRE 81 USA 109
    30/08 USA 110 JOR 62
    30/08 GRE 83 NZL 74

    -USA 3W-0L
    -Greece 2W-1L
    New Zealand 1W-2L
    Jordan 0W-3L


    Group D

    25/08 MEX 71 MNE 91
    25/08 EGY 67 LTU 93
    27/08 MNE 89 EGY 74
    27/08 LTU 96 MEX 66
    29/08 EGY 100 MEX 72
    29/08 MNE 71 LTU 91

    -Lithuania 3W-0L
    -Montenegro 2W-1L
    Egypt 1W-2L
    Mexico 0W-3L


    Group E

    25/08 FIN 72 AUS 98
    25/08 GER 81 JPN 63
    27/08 AUS 82 GER 85
    27/08 JPN 98 FIN 88
    29/08 GER 101 FIN 75
    29/08 AUS 109 JPN 89

    -Germany 3W-0L
    -Australia 2W-1L
    Japan 1W-2L
    Finland 0W-3L


    Group F

    26/08 CPV 60 GEO 85
    26/08 SLO 100 VEN 85
    28/08 VEN 75 CPV 81
    28/08 GEO 67 SLO 88
    30/08 GEO 70 VEN 59
    30/08 SLO 92 CPV 77

    -Slovenia 3W-0L
    -Georgia 2W-1L
    Cape Verde 1W-2L
    Venezuela 0W-3L


    Group G

    26/08 IRI 59 BRA 100
    26/08 ESP 94 CIV 64
    28/08 CIV 71 IRI 69
    28/08 BRA 78 ESP 96
    30/08 CIV 77 BRA 89
    30/08 IRI 65 ESP 85

    -Spain 3W-0L
    -Brazil 2W-1L
    Cote d'Ivoire 1W-2L
    Iran 0W-3L


    Group H

    25/08 LAT 109 LBN 70
    25/08 CAN 95 FRA 65
    27/08 LBN 73 CAN 128
    27/08 FRA 86 LAT 88
    29/08 LBN 79 FRA 85
    29/08 CAN 101 LAT 75

    -Canada 3W-0L
    -Latvia 2W-1L
    France 1W-2L
    Lebanon 0W-3L


    Second Round


    Group I

    01/09 SRB 76 ITA 78
    01/09 DOM 97 PUR 102
    03/09 ITA 73 PUR 57
    03/09 DOM 79 SRB 112

    -Italy 4W-1L
    -Serbia 4W-1L
    Puerto Rico 3W-2L
    Dominican Republic 3W-2L


    Group J

    01/09 USA 85 MNE 73
    01/09 LTU 92 GRE 67
    03/09 GRE 69 MNE 73
    03/09 USA 104 LTU 110

    -Lithuania 5W-0L
    -USA 4W-1L
    Montenegro 3W-2L
    Greece 2W-3L


    Group K

    01/09 GER 100 GEO 73
    01/09 SLO 91 AUS 80
    03/09 AUS 100 GEO 84
    03/09 GER 100 SLO 71

    -Germany 5W-0L
    -Slovenia 4W-1L
    Australia 3W-2L
    Georgia 2W-3L


    Group L

    01/09 ESP 69 LAT 74
    01/09 CAN 65 BRA 69
    03/09 BRA 84 LAT 104
    03/09 ESP 85 CAN 88

    -Canada 4W-1L
    -Latvia 4W-1L
    Spain 3W-2L
    Brazil 3W-2L


    Group M

    31/08 ANG 76 CHN 83
    31/08 SSD 87 PHI 68
    02/09 ANG 78 SSD 101
    02/09 PHI 96 CHN 75

    South Sudan 3W-2L
    Philippines 1W-4L
    Angola 1W-4L
    China 1W-4L


    Group N

    31/08 NZL 100 MEX 108
    31/08 EGY 85 JOR 69
    02/09 NZL 88 EGY 86
    02/09 JOR 80 MEX 93

    Egypt 2W-3L
    New Zealand 2W-3L
    Mexico 2W-3L
    Jordan 0W-5L


    Group O

    31/08 CPV 77 FIN 100
    31/08 JPN 86 VEN 77
    02/09 FIN 90 VEN 75
    02/09 JPN 80 CPV 71

    Japan 3W-2L
    Finland 2W-3L
    Cape Verde 1W-4L
    Venezuela 0W-5L


    Group P

    31/08 CIV 84 LBN 94
    31/08 FRA 82 IRI 55
    02/09 CIV 77 FRA 87
    02/09 IRI 73 LBN 81

    France 3W-2L
    Lebanon 2W-3L
    Cote d'Ivoire 1W-4L
    Iran 0W-5L


    Final Round


    1/4 Finals

    05/09 LTU 68 SRB 87
    05/09 ITA 63 USA 100
    06/09 GER 81 LAT 79
    06/09 CAN 100 SLO 89


    5th-8th Places

    07/09 ITA 82 LAT 87
    07/09 LTU 100 SLO 84


    1/2 Finlas

    08/09 SRB 95 CAN 86
    08/09 USA 111 GER 113


    7th Place

    09/09 ITA 85 SLO 89


    5th Place

    09/09 LAT 98 LTU 63


    3rd Place

    10/09 USA 118 CAN 127


    Final

    10/09 GER 83 SRB 77
    Last edited by Kings; 09-10-2023, 03:36 PM.

  • #2
    I'm going to throw a conspiracy theory out there before anyone else does. Looking at the bracket, Spain will benefit from tanking their game in the second phase against Canada. You heard it here first. Tanking in the first degree. Assist-your-opponent tanking. Put-the-ball-in-your-own-hoop tanking. Losing by 50 points or more if possible.

    Let me lay it down. Assume the second phase group L is formed like this:

    Spain 3 wins
    France 3 wins
    Canada 2 wins
    Brazil 2 wins

    Spain loses with Canada, but manages to beat France (we always do, right?). Well, regardless of the outcome of the other games, Spain has already secured a spot in QFs, and in most of the scenarios will be placed 2nd which means avoiding a potential SF matchup with USA.

    If Brazil gets two wins, Brazil will end second and Spain first with 4 wins and the tiebreaker
    If Brazil gets no wins, Canada, France and Spain will end up in a three-way tie. Losing by an obscene difference ensures that Canada has the tiebreaker and gets first place. Then Spain advances 2nd. If Spain only loses by a few points it's possible that France has a better point differential, which would bump Spain instead. We need to take the safe route and do the tanking job of the century
    If Brazil beats Canada and loses against France, then France and Spain advance
    If Brazil beats France and loses against Canada, then Canada is 1st and Spain advances as 2nd

    What happens if Canada has the advantage over France? It's even better. No need to tank as hard, then. Losing by one point is enough in most of the scenarios. And what makes it even sweeter: Spain will arrive to this game after beating France. No loose ties whatsoever.

    If Brazil wins both games, there's a three-way tie between Brazil, Canada and Spain. Canada has the shortest straw here, but there's a small possibility of Brazil winning the tie and then Spain getting eliminated. Beating Brazil by a large margin makes this option quite safe. If the margin against Brazil was insufficient, then tanking hard against Canada ensures a second place for Spain.
    If Brazil gets no wins, Canada goes first and Spain second
    If Brazil beats France and loses against Canada, same as above and shame on the frenchies
    If Brazil beats Canada and loses against France, Canada still advances first and Spain second

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post
      I'm going to throw a conspiracy theory out there before anyone else does. Looking at the bracket, Spain will benefit from tanking their game in the second phase against Canada. You heard it here first. Tanking in the first degree. Assist-your-opponent tanking. Put-the-ball-in-your-own-hoop tanking. Losing by 50 points or more if possible.

      Let me lay it down. Assume the second phase group L is formed like this:

      Spain 3 wins
      France 3 wins
      Canada 2 wins
      Brazil 2 wins

      Spain loses with Canada, but manages to beat France (we always do, right?). Well, regardless of the outcome of the other games, Spain has already secured a spot in QFs, and in most of the scenarios will be placed 2nd which means avoiding a potential SF matchup with USA.

      If Brazil gets two wins, Brazil will end second and Spain first with 4 wins and the tiebreaker
      If Brazil gets no wins, Canada, France and Spain will end up in a three-way tie. Losing by an obscene difference ensures that Canada has the tiebreaker and gets first place. Then Spain advances 2nd. If Spain only loses by a few points it's possible that France has a better point differential, which would bump Spain instead. We need to take the safe route and do the tanking job of the century
      If Brazil beats Canada and loses against France, then France and Spain advance
      If Brazil beats France and loses against Canada, then Canada is 1st and Spain advances as 2nd

      What happens if Canada has the advantage over France? It's even better. No need to tank as hard, then. Losing by one point is enough in most of the scenarios. And what makes it even sweeter: Spain will arrive to this game after beating France. No loose ties whatsoever.

      If Brazil wins both games, there's a three-way tie between Brazil, Canada and Spain. Canada has the shortest straw here, but there's a small possibility of Brazil winning the tie and then Spain getting eliminated. Beating Brazil by a large margin makes this option quite safe. If the margin against Brazil was insufficient, then tanking hard against Canada ensures a second place for Spain.
      If Brazil gets no wins, Canada goes first and Spain second
      If Brazil beats France and loses against Canada, same as above and shame on the frenchies
      If Brazil beats Canada and loses against France, Canada still advances first and Spain second
      In the case of a 3ple tie of Canada, France and Spain: if Spain loses by many points against Canada (e.g. 30) and France wins Canada by more points (e.g. 10) than Spain wins France (e.g. 1), then won't Canada and France be the teams to advance?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tonia View Post

        In the case of a 3ple tie of Canada, France and Spain: if Spain loses by many points against Canada (e.g. 30) and France wins Canada by more points (e.g. 10) than Spain wins France (e.g. 1), then won't Canada and France be the teams to advance?
        No. You first solve the three-way tie. Canada has the best point differential in this case, so Canada advances first. But after that you no longer have a three-way tie. You have a regular tie between Spain and France, and Spain owns the tiebreaker. So Spain advances 2nd.
        Last edited by Darrell Armstrong; 08-19-2023, 10:08 PM.

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        • #5
          I’ve said it many times but look no further than the opening game matchups to see how watered down and bad this tournament is. Other than Canada-France and maybe Australia-Finland there are a bunch of God-awful matchups. The average point spread of the first games is an outrageous 16! Mismatches galore.
          Theres a plethora of blow outs and bad basketball until we get to the second round. Only 3 out of the 16 opening matchups have a spread of less than double digits. And if Montenegro-Mexico or Puerto Rico-South Sudan floats your boat than God bless you. Hopefully we see some competitive games in this bunch but appears we are in store for some shear brutality.

          USA 35.5, Spain 24.5, Greece 23.5, Slovenia 20, Italy and Lithuania 19.5.
          Germany 18.5, Serbia 18, Latvia 17, Brazil 16.5, Georgia 12, Dominican Rep. 11.5, Australia 10
          Montenegro 8.5, Puerto Rico 5,5,
          Canada. 1

          The favorites for first set of games.
          Silver medal 2012 Olympics prediction game.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by usagre View Post
            I’ve said it many times but look no further than the opening game matchups to see how watered down and bad this tournament is. Other than Canada-France and maybe Australia-Finland there are a bunch of God-awful matchups. The average point spread of the first games is an outrageous 16! Mismatches galore.
            Theres a plethora of blow outs and bad basketball until we get to the second round. Only 3 out of the 16 opening matchups have a spread of less than double digits. And if Montenegro-Mexico or Puerto Rico-South Sudan floats your boat than God bless you. Hopefully we see some competitive games in this bunch but appears we are in store for some shear brutality.

            USA 35.5, Spain 24.5, Greece 23.5, Slovenia 20, Italy and Lithuania 19.5.
            Germany 18.5, Serbia 18, Latvia 17, Brazil 16.5, Georgia 12, Dominican Rep. 11.5, Australia 10
            Montenegro 8.5, Puerto Rico 5,5,
            Canada. 1

            The favorites for first set of games.
            We Asians suck at basketball. LOL

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            • #7
              Why doesn't Indonesia participate since they are one of the hosting countries? Was Indonesia chosen to host for marketing reasons?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tonia View Post
                Why doesn't Indonesia participate since they are one of the hosting countries? Was Indonesia chosen to host for marketing reasons?
                Because they aren't ranked high enough to get an automatic berth as hosts. The official reason for them to host some games is to promote basketball in the country.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by usagre View Post
                  I’ve said it many times but look no further than the opening game matchups to see how watered down and bad this tournament is.
                  I disagree. Of course, with 32 nations taking part, you're going to see a lot of lopsided matches. But nobody forces you to watch. In the end, to claim the title you need to play 8 matches and beat the best of the best. Unlike the Olympics, where some of the best squads cannot qualify because of quotas.

                  Missing superstars because they don't value the tournament enough is a completely different matter. But the field of play is much, much stronger than the Olympics, and allows for a lot more surprises. Let's see how many favourites are upset.
                  Last edited by Darrell Armstrong; 08-22-2023, 08:04 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by usagre View Post
                    I’ve said it many times but look no further than the opening game matchups to see how watered down and bad this tournament is. Other than Canada-France and maybe Australia-Finland there are a bunch of God-awful matchups. The average point spread of the first games is an outrageous 16! Mismatches galore.
                    Theres a plethora of blow outs and bad basketball until we get to the second round. Only 3 out of the 16 opening matchups have a spread of less than double digits. And if Montenegro-Mexico or Puerto Rico-South Sudan floats your boat than God bless you. Hopefully we see some competitive games in this bunch but appears we are in store for some shear brutality.

                    USA 35.5, Spain 24.5, Greece 23.5, Slovenia 20, Italy and Lithuania 19.5.
                    Germany 18.5, Serbia 18, Latvia 17, Brazil 16.5, Georgia 12, Dominican Rep. 11.5, Australia 10
                    Montenegro 8.5, Puerto Rico 5,5,
                    Canada. 1

                    The favorites for first set of games.
                    Was predictable in advance - even FIBA ​​would not want to play strong matches in the first! 16 on Saturday! of NON-international pause. On Friday, you have 4 games, on Saturday, logically, only the debut of South Sudan.

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                    • #11
                      In 2021 Olympic group stage was more one sided 20pts diffrence games than competitive games


                      In world championship 2023 2nd stage of groups we gonna see semifinal level olympic teams facing and trying to eliminate each other from reaching 1/4 game


                      In olympic tournament all good team making 1/4,because all they need to do beat african and assian teams for that


                      Group stages is more interesting and more competitive in world championships

                      Where Olympic tournament is better is from 1/4 stage.That were basketball elite plays and plays for real
                      Last edited by Shawshank; 08-22-2023, 01:17 PM.

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                      • #12
                        top-8

                        BY GROUPS
                        (A;B;C;D) only the 4 strongest teams of the groups are possible:
                        USA; Lithuania; Serbia; Italy, maybe Greece; Montenegro; Dominica.

                        With greater intrigue (E;F;G;H) here are the possible leaders in group E and H:
                        Germany; Australia; France; Canada and by chance Spain and Slovenija can present a surprise.​

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by G&B View Post
                          top-8

                          BY GROUPS
                          (A;B;C;D) only the 4 strongest teams of the groups are possible:
                          USA; Lithuania; Serbia; Italy, maybe Greece; Montenegro; Dominica.

                          With greater intrigue (E;F;G;H) here are the possible leaders in group E and H:
                          Germany; Australia; France; Canada and by chance Spain and Slovenija can present a surprise.​
                          When someone mentions Slovenia as a potential top team, I wonder why nobody gives any chances to Georgia. Unlike other squads, they brought all their big guns. Their preparation games have been much more promising than Slovenia's, and they are placed in the same "easy" group.

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                          • #14
                            I haven't watched any of New Zealand's preparation games. Do they still make this "Haka" performance before the beginning of the game?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darrell Armstrong View Post

                              When someone mentions Slovenia as a potential top team, I wonder why nobody gives any chances to Georgia. Unlike other squads, they brought all their big guns. Their preparation games have been much more promising than Slovenia's, and they are placed in the same "easy" group.
                              I didn't know that Georgia has top 5 player in the world.
                              previously known as Beno

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