Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

[Serbian_Layup]

No I tipped the wrong number I meant Eurobasket 2022 of course.

So, how was it not working then? In a game vs Italy Jokić dropped 32 in 28 minutes and Serbia was +12 with him on the court, and we lost by 8. Do the math, the reason why we failed to win is definitely not because of Jokić.

[Toruko]

So, how was it not working then? In a game vs Italy Jokić dropped 32 in 28 minutes and Serbia was +12 with him on the court, and we lost by 8. Do the math, the reason why we failed to win is definitely not because of Jokić.

Oh I was just pointing out the outcome. It wasnt an attack on Jokic himself. I watched the last quarter 2-3 times and he was misused. It shouldnt be that difficult to extract his talent on FIBA level. A loss to a Italian team without a proper 5 is really not acceptable.

[Serbian_Layup]

Oh I was just pointing out the outcome. It wasnt an attack on Jokic himself. I watched the last quarter 2-3 times and he was misused. It shouldnt be that difficult to extract his talent on FIBA level. A loss to a Italian team without a proper 5 is really not acceptable.

Italian team is not some amateurish team, they are good.

Jokić was not misused but rather underused. If your team is -20 in 12 minutes without Jokić, you should have played him few minutes more and secure the win. But nevertheless, that Serbian team wouldn't win anything because everyone was just thinking that Jokić alone was going to be enough.

[Toruko]

Italian team is not some amateurish team, they are good.

Jokić was not misused but rather underused. If your team is -20 in 12 minutes without Jokić, you should have played him few minutes more and secure the win. But nevertheless, that Serbian team wouldn't win anything because everyone was just thinking that Jokić alone was going to be enough.

Also when he was on the court, he should have got the ball literally every offensive possession. Underused is definitely correct but there should be ways to use him more as a creator rather than just a center under the rim, but maybe its due to lack of prep time.

[R1ou]

Well... here is some of draw stuff over again then.
Note that all these assumptions are following the draw rules of the 2019 World Cup. FIBA has yet to announce the 2023 Draw Rules so perhaps it could look quite different.


Current Pots based on Current FIBA Ranking
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, Dominican Republic, New Zealand
Pot 6: China, Latvia, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, Lebanon
Pot 8: Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde

Expected Pots based on Geographical Balancing
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, New Zealand, Latvia
Pot 6: Dominican Republic, China, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, , Cote d'Ivoire
Pot 8: Lebanon, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde


* Latvia (highest ranked European from Pot 6) and DR (Lowest Ranked Americas from Pot 5) switch
** Lebanon (lowest ranked Asian from Pot 7) and Ivory Coast (highest ranked African from Pot 8) switch


Draw Scenarios

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Note the one change from the last time I posted this is that Latvia and Finland are no longer an option for Pot C - due to geographical balancing of Asia. Either NZL or IRN must be in this Pool (and away from AUS and PHI).

Once again - if you see any flaws in my logic here, please point it out.

Host's group will be worse than an European qualification group for a second straight tournament. Joke.

[mojo13]

This is the way of FIFA as well.

it is intentional as an award to the host to give them the best chance to stay alive and have home games as long as possible.

im much more concerned at the relatively much easier path some other lucky nations will benefit from by drawing into the hosts pool or the cross over pool.

so much for competitive integrity.

[Giannis34GOD]

Finland fans led the foreign fans who will watch the event with total of 5k, According to Filipino marketing officers who will manage the selling of tickets for upcoming FIBA WC event... I'm sure teams like Lithuania, China, Serbia and Greece and their followers has also already buy their tickets for upcoming event....

https://www.espn.com/basketball/gilas/story/_/id/36089478/is-philippines-ready-2023-fiba-world-cup

[Giannis34GOD]

FIBAWC news:

China:

Chinese basketball president Yao Ming reveals that they are already planning to naturalized Kyle Anderson of Minnesota Timberwolves (He has Chinese Ancestry, His grandmother is a Chinese), Also in the mix is Marshon Brooks...

https://www.sohu.com/a/664046399_461606?scm=1103.plate:497:0.0.1_1.0& spm=smpc.channel_259.block12_113_oUMXZp_1_fd.1.168 0877886043tKlMPAu_1082

https://www.sohu.com/a/664048808_100160237?scm=1102.xchannel:1479:110036. 0.3.0~9010.68.0.0.0&spm=smpc.content-abroad.fd-d.5.16808779412237tItvak&_f=index_pagerecom_6

Spain:

Naturalized player Lorenzo Brown will play for Spain again for this year's FIBA WC... He announced his participation this summer today...

https://basketnews.com/news-187825-lorenzo-brown-commits-to-play-in-fiba-world-cup.html

Serbia:

Bogdan Bogdanovic will play for Serbia this summer (If healthy)....

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/pesic-counting-on-one-two-punch-from-bogdanovic-jokic-at-world-cup

Australia:

Add Josh Giddey on the list of Australian NBAers who will play for Australia for this year's FIBA WC

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/josh-giddey-i-will-definitely-be-there-at-the-world-cup

Germany:

Wagner bros announced their participation for FIBA WC this summer

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketba...y-at-world-cup

[Serbian_Layup]

So, Spain is coming with both Rubio and Brown. Tough to beat them, endless creation from p&r...

[Straight forward]

Lost respect to Spain. Trash. Thanks to Garbajosa.

[Giannis34GOD]

Lost respect to Spain. Trash. Thanks to Garbajosa.

Although in a other way, They needed Brown especially against multiple NBAers likes of Canada, Australia and especially team USA.... What if USA gets Embiid, Do you also lost respect to team USA? Are you Lithuanian, right? I heard even Lithuania planning to naturalized Keenan Evans from Zalgris... It just means do you also lost respect to your country too?

[Ridirkulous]

Lost respect to Spain. Trash. Thanks to Garbajosa.

Dude you have to cut this crap a bit. I think Frank Lubin won gold with the US team before representing Lithuania. Two of the three titles you have in your resume have been achieved with a full line-up of players born and raised in Chicago, Illinois. Frank Lubin fled your country back to his native California when WWII broke out and continued playing basketball there. So did the others.

This is not taking away anything from your basketball tradition, the point is sadly that after decades only trophies and glory are remembered, circumstances are lost, just like the Lithuanian rosters from the 30s. Nobody likes the naturalised player rule, yet you have a roster in your signature containing both Matas Buzelis and Ignas Brazdeikis. I guess if you want them both, other teams can have one? ; )

[Straight forward]

Although in a other way, They needed Brown especially against multiple NBAers likes of Canada, Australia and especially team USA.... What if USA gets Embiid, Do you also lost respect to team USA? Are you Lithuanian, right? I heard even Lithuania planning to naturalized Keenan Evans from Zalgris... It just means do you also lost respect to your country too?

OK, it's time to say this very clearly as you are second guy on this forum who got confused with Evans news. It was April Fool's Day joke that Evans joining NT. Zalgiris made this joke and published it exactly on April 1 Shit's ain't real.

Absolutely. If USA will naturalize non-American player, it will be the biggest travesty...Even worse than random dude Brown playing for Spain...

[Straight forward]

Dude you have to cut this crap a bit. I think Frank Lubin won gold with the US team before representing Lithuania. Two of the three titles you have in your resume have been achieved with a full line-up of players born and raised in Chicago, Illinois. Frank Lubin fled your country back to his native California when WWII broke out and continued playing basketball there. So did the others.

This is not taking away anything from your basketball tradition, the point is sadly that after decades only trophies and glory are remembered, circumstances are lost, just like the Lithuanian rosters from the 30s. Nobody likes the naturalised player rule, yet you have a roster in your signature containing both Matas Buzelis and Ignas Brazdeikis. I guess if you want them both, other teams can have one? ; )

FOA, Frank Lubin, is Pranas Lubinas. Both of his parents are pure Lithuanians. Just as in case of Brazdeikis, Buzelis and Indrusaitis (all will play for NT, IMO). In other words, Lubinas was the guy who born from 2 pure Lithuanians, just not in Lithuania, but abroad.

The same with Iggy Brazdeikis. He naturalized only because he played for Canada U16 and U17. But his general dream was always to play for Lithuania. Both of his parents are pure Liths and they as family used to watch LTU NT games in the states. So, how can you compare such cases when Lithuanian emigrants are playing for their national team with cases when random Americans represent random countries? It's has no connection literally. Even if there was no naturalization rule, Iggy would have chances to represent Lithuania. Our federation was saying that there were few ways to sort this out as he is obviously Lithuanian.

Buzelis and Indrusaitis won't need anything to represent Lithuania, no naturalization needed. They are Lithuanians with passports and never represented other countries (the only reason why Brazdeikis is "naturalized"). Buzelis chose LTU instead of USA. So all emigrant studs in Brazdeikis, Buzelis, Indrusaitis will be able to play in one LTU team.

[Giannis34GOD]

OK, it's time to say this very clearly as you are second guy on this forum who got confused with Evans news. It was April Fool's Day joke that Evans joining NT. Zalgiris made this joke and published it exactly on April 1 Shit's ain't real.

Absolutely. If USA will naturalize non-American player, it will be the biggest travesty...Even worse than random dude Brown playing for Spain...

Ahhh, OK... It just an April fools joke.... But i think Lithuanian federation will think that scenario too (maybe in the future)... Lithuania needs striker that who can score especially if Sabonis will be trapped by the defense of other teams... All four semifinalist of last Eurobasket have very good guard (a Combo guard) that can create for his teammates, aside that they can score too if they needed (Talking about Slaughter/Poland, Schroder/Germany, Brown/Spain and Huertel/De Colo France)....Chances of Lithuania to get back on track as basketball powerhouse will be higher if they will tap Evans... Although i know most of Lithuanians doesn't like that move, But who knows?