2019 FIBA World Cup - General Discussion Thread

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[Maxdavid]

When will the next basketball world cup starts. Until you can play Other game.

[juli_rc]

Spain, 2004. Both finalists came from Spain's group, so obviously it wasn't a weak one.

I have a better example. In the WC 2014 SPA, BRA, FRA and SRB from group A defeat GRE, CRO, ARG and SEN from group B. So clearly a SRB team with 2-3 was a better team than GRE with a record of with 4-1.

So, my point is that the draw, could put 4 good teams in the same group. So a good team with heavy schedule like SRB, have a chance in the KO stage.

[Darrell Armstrong]

Maybe those 5 wins was against weaker teams...
If the 1 ranked team of one group loses against the 4 ranked team of the other group. It means 2 things: The 1 ranked team having a bad night or the group was weak.

Spain, 2004. Both finalists came from Spain's group, so obviously it wasn't a weak one.

[juli_rc]

Maybe those 5 wins was against weaker teams...
If the 1 ranked team of one group loses against the 4 ranked team of the other group. It means 2 things: The 1 ranked team having a bad night or the group was weak.

[Sykes]

The first round in the Olympics was full of meaningless matches and jockeying for position (losing games on purpose). Glad they are addressing those issues.

Maybe they could made better and more fair matches in knock out stage, as in Waterpolo, giving the 1st team an automatic berth to half final, involving 2nd and 3th teams in a quarterfinal.
I think is a nonsense winning 5 matches in a row, and being eliminated by a team with only 2 wins.

[Darrell Armstrong]

I heard that Olympic tournament will change its format, changing the traditional 2 groups of 6 to 3 groups of 4 teams each.
So 4 teams will be out after only 3 matches, and even the winner of tournament will play only 6 matches, instead of the traditional 8 matches.
I understand FIBA less day by day, less matches, less emotion.

The first round in the Olympics was full of meaningless matches and jockeying for position (losing games on purpose). Glad they are addressing those issues.

[Sykes]

I heard that Olympic tournament will change its format, changing the traditional 2 groups of 6 to 3 groups of 4 teams each.
So 4 teams will be out after only 3 matches, and even the winner of tournament will play only 6 matches, instead of the traditional 8 matches.
I understand FIBA less day by day, less matches, less emotion.

[Mindozas]

Everybody kwows that, but by the time World cup were 16 teams ,tournament was as good as olympics and USA send 2nd teams there.

It was good, cause it had all top players participating, except for USA in most of occasions. But since some 2006 the trend started with more and more players declining invitations and picking Olympics and pre-Olympics qualifiers (Eurobasket, FIBA Americas) as main event to represent NT. Bigger money, bigger career opportunities can be blamed, i.e. NBA became way more reachable even for average players, so it started the trend of wanting to rest, prepare for NBA debut, to work on weakeneses and etc. In 90s or especially earlier you could never hear such excuses or it was very rare case and a serious one to skip tournament

Another thing is that Olympic basketball is one sport among a lot of sports, so it depends on how fanatic are you on it, some other people could see only as one medal between hundreds of disciplines.

True. But in Olympics sports also has own hierarchy. Basketball is among the most popular. Overall it has no damage for basketball tournament, I think it even get more spotlight

[Sykes]

The Olympic tournament is an older and frankly better tournament because it narrows down the 12 best national teams on the planet...none of this watered down mess we see at the World Cup. No mystery that Americans value it more than the WC, partly because our success in the event and partly for the aforementioned reasons above. If the US doesn't place the same priority on the WC as it does the Olympic tournament...SO WHAT. We don't speak for the international basketball community. Other countries can decide what's important for them...the Olympic title is our holy grail when it comes to international basketball. BTW other countries do value the Olympic title as much as the US does, and to suggest otherwise is baseless.

Everybody kwows that, but by the time World cup were 16 teams ,tournament was as good as olympics and USA send 2nd teams there.
Another thing is that Olympic basketball is one sport among a lot of sports, so it depends on how fanatic are you on it, some other people could see only as one medal between hundreds of disciplines.

[Federoy]

Well you've certainly been trying your best to denigrate the World Cup & talk up the Olympics. Definitely a stretch what you are going for here. I might be wrong about only the US valuing Olympic basketball more then anyone else, but I'm certain that the US values Olympic basketball more then anyone else values it. And I'm certain the US devalues the World Cup more then anyone else.

The Olympic tournament is an older and frankly better tournament because it narrows down the 12 best national teams on the planet...none of this watered down mess we see at the World Cup. No mystery that Americans value it more than the WC, partly because our success in the event and partly for the aforementioned reasons above. If the US doesn't place the same priority on the WC as it does the Olympic tournament...SO WHAT. We don't speak for the international basketball community. Other countries can decide what's important for them...the Olympic title is our holy grail when it comes to international basketball. BTW other countries do value the Olympic title as much as the US does, and to suggest otherwise is baseless.

[usagre]

Not my intention at all. It’s just the reality of the situation. The Worlds is a secondary tournament to the Olympics. And yes a lot more secondary to the US than other countries but secondary nonetheless. I never claimed otherwise. I gave you the list of prominent non American players that have skipped it but have perfect attendance at the Olympics. I didn’t pull that out of thin air. The Scariolo quote was just that his quote. I put out there just to balance the narrative here at the forum because it’s too one sided.

Our discussions in the past got nasty and that’s not my style so I regret the tone I took and I hope you feel the same. We can disagree on stuff but there’s no need for that nonsense.

[Tesla]

Great to see that spending this last year in the NBA Coach Scariolo has some new first hand appreciation of USA/NBA basketball. He commented that “I have tremendous respect for what team USA represents... I mean we have to be thankful to American basketball, to the NBA, to all those people who are leading basketball all over the world.” And he understands and is under no delusions that the Olympics as compared to the World Cup is a whole different ball game when it comes to team USA. “I can only say that it’s an honor to be above them in the final ranking but I expect them so strong next year.”
He’s a class act and telling it like it is.

Well you've certainly been trying your best to denigrate the World Cup & talk up the Olympics. Definitely a stretch what you are going for here. I might be wrong about only the US valuing Olympic basketball more then anyone else, but I'm certain that the US values Olympic basketball more then anyone else values it. And I'm certain the US devalues the World Cup more then anyone else.

[usagre]

Great to see that spending this last year in the NBA Coach Scariolo has some new first hand appreciation of USA/NBA basketball. He commented that “I have tremendous respect for what team USA represents... I mean we have to be thankful to American basketball, to the NBA, to all those people who are leading basketball all over the world.” And he understands and is under no delusions that the Olympics as compared to the World Cup is a whole different ball game when it comes to team USA. “I can only say that it’s an honor to be above them in the final ranking but I expect them so strong next year.”
He’s a class act and telling it like it is.