Turkish Prospects

[TurkfromGermany]

Even if we would say highest ceiling i would swap the positions of Melih & Derin Can. Maybe in 1 year i would change it again or even after this U18 but now its clearly Melih and then Derin Can. Omer Kutluay is no 1. Biggest turkish prospect.

Few years ago we had a similarly talented group of perimeter players(1. Onuralp Bitim, the U16-Bitim, before the US adventure, 2. Furkan Korkmaz, 3. Okben Ulubay, 4. Cedi Osman) and we had a good reason to hope that turkish bb will reach top level but it didnt turn out that way. International scouts even would see the Korkmaz-group as more talented but this is not true for turkish bb. The new group matches the need of turkish bb from past and now much better. Control the tempo, create for others, create for himself and go 1-1, in all these aspects the new group is much more talented. Even for create for himself because if game is tough then you must be able to go 1-1 and even the young Korkmaz & Bitim were not good at this. This skill is for example 1 of the big differences if we compare Omer Kutluay with Korkmaz & Bitim, Omer is not just much better in knowing how to play a game and create for others, he is also much better 1-1 player as the other 2 at the same age.

I even hope that in 1-2 years we will have a new player where we say he is even more talented than Omer Kutluay, this only will help turkish bb.

[Toruko]

Its embarrassing to fall to Division B but its not the end of the world. The 05/06 generations would have been really bad anyway. We will return immediately to Div A but more importantly are the developments of Buyuktuncel and Tunca. Buyuktuncel suffered from not playing enough but he is still very precious. His only remaining problem is that he cant finish around the rim with contact.

We dont need anyone else from this tournament.

[Straight forward]

yikes

https://x.com/dogtheballer/status/1815047389637386285

First round pick material carried you to a B division, LOL

[Toruko]

yikes

https://x.com/dogtheballer/status/1815047389637386285

First round pick material carried you to a B division, LOL

They have won enough. It doesnt mean anything.

[Toruko]

Melih Tunca finished the U20 tournament with 17,6 points (third) and 6,4 assists (third). He has very good court vision and also solid defensive upside with his long arms. Buyuktuncel started very slow but showed his versatility eventually. We need them both to flourish and to develop. Tuncas next step will be very crucial.

[Toruko]

Samet Yigitoglu, our 04 born 7'2 tall center committed to SMU. I looked up how many NBA players they have produced and the have a couple.

[TurkfromGermany]

Sorry, Toruko, I don't see it. Heavy hands and legs, rigid handles, very unattractive shooting form. Seems like sturdy guy with good size, but no smoothness, seems like a construction worker. You said somewhere he might be a first rounder, I barely see him being drafted overall. Not to take anything, good tournament, but I don't see an upside. IMO, will be strong mediocre player at best at PROs.

You put your guys to eagerly to the first round. I was telling you the same with Berke.

People are just too much focused on stats, in all countries but in Turkiye more as in others. Kaan Onats current game is not suitable for the next stages, his success was most of his physical strength. 2 years ago we saw Kaan Onat as a talented, sharp, sneaky player but now he is using more his strengths as his brain and exactly this body will be not enough for the next stages. In 2 years he cant overpower the same players. Since 1,5 years no physical development, he is a 194-5(without) player, very wide shoulders and long arms, has almost a real beard. Look at the other U17 player Sarp Coskun, how his body changed in the last 1,5 years, now he is as big as Kaan Onat and next year in U18 european championship he will be most likely bigger as 195. All These are signs for maturity and this is bad.

Kaan Onats mentality is great, he is a bad kid, similar to Alperen Sengun, turkish prospects are too nice kids. Best thing what happened in this season, he is no more wannabe PG, he is a SG, he is a scorer(SG/PG). Im still a fan from Kaan, i like him and he has the chance, he has the right mentality, he has the feel for bucket but he must start playing with brain.

Protecting prospects is very bad thing. How i can protect the bad things of Derin Can Ustuns game in the U17? Ball hog, low motor, didnt used his special talent in transition game and always slowed the game. You must be objective.

Turkish fans still talking about Buyuktuncel. Are you kidding me? When will end this dream? Is he Alperen Sengun that people still hold on him? 3 years long his only move was when it came to his own score under basket, posting up against 1 head shorter kids. Against good matchups he lost all duels by far in these 3 years. Ok you must be blind if you not see that he is a useful player because he knows how too help his team, this is very important and exactly turkish players lack this attribute but we are not talking about a star prospect(1-2 years ago several turkish people thought he is Sengun level or even bigger prospect, good dream.....) and his unbelievable bad performances against good competition are big question mark if he will be able an useful player at senior level. You must follow a player for a longer period and dont forget important things, his defensive game is too intensive that he will keep it that way. As U15 player he protected the rim but only 1 year later as U16 he didnt defend the rim. Buyuktuncel had a real talent for rim protecting with his timing and long arms but its intensive and risky and therefore he is not doing it today. His body will change, he will add more weight and will lose his defensive versitality etc and exactly that was his big plus as his profile.

[Toruko]

Derin Can Ustun creates well for himself but struggles to finish as expected. He lacks mass and strength but thats not a problem for now. Germany is a very athletic team and we have some size issues because of Karchenkov. Kaan Onat on the other hand seems to be strong enough for this level of competition. If his shot comes around a very solid all around player it seems.

It would be good for Derin if he grows 2-3cm or more.

[TurkfromGermany]

Its not important if Derin Can Ustun missing layups, its much more important that he gets to the rim and almost at will. He has a special driving talent therefore its very likely that he will be able to do that in the next stages at a very good rate. You cant find this in turkish bb. Only Harun Erdenay(68) was great at this. People think hedo was this that etc...hedo was a bad 1-1 player, he couldnt beat his opponent and therefore he took his fadeways and missed as always. There was a reason why Ender Arslan was often the player with the ball in his hands in the last minutes.

We also never had good 1-1 players at U-level. You can think of Kenan Sipahi, Okben Ulubay, Furkan Korkmaz, Onuralp Bitim or even older prospects like Cenk Akyol. All those players were at best decent at beating opponent.

It is really satisfying to see how good Derin Can Ustun & Melih Tunca are at this, this is exactly 1 of the big problems in turkish bb. This was the reason why everyone had given the next player the ball against France in 2022.

Derin Can Ustun had again 1 game with not much playmaking and had 2 bad decisions in a time where the game could be closer.

Kaan Onat looked like the best turkish shooting prospect in the beginning of 2023. Then he lost his 3 point shot and now his 3p shot could be back. His midrange is anyway great. The problem was his unbeliviable flat shot, this was a big concern. People are too much focused on % of prospects. This can change very fast. Only his flat shot was(is) a big concern, we should wait for the season.

Kaan Onats mentality is so great, this kid would beat today Furkan Korkmaz in a fight, so soft are our Furkans, Sadik Kabacas etc. Kaan Onat now playing better and better.

This is not the thread for it but its really strange how people still think this bum tournament ANGT is NT level, where are the 20 minutes 30/10/10 prospects? hahahhahah

[Toruko]

Its not important if Derin Can Ustun missing layups, its much more important that he gets to the rim and almost at will. He has a special driving talent therefore its very likely that he will be able to do that in the next stages at a very good rate. You cant find this in turkish bb. Only Harun Erdenay(68) was great at this. People think hedo was this that etc...hedo was a bad 1-1 player, he couldnt beat his opponent and therefore he took his fadeways and missed as always. There was a reason why Ender Arslan was often the player with the ball in his hands in the last minutes.

I am not that optimistic about his driving ability. He can create for himself at this level but he also has to show that he can finish. He does not have the flashy first step like Kaan and has also not even average verticality. We have to wait one more year to see him getting stronger but at the moment Tunca is the better prospect.

[Camoka]

It is really annoying. Belguim is clearly better than us both u20 and u18 level. Even we have some good prospects, general level is really awful. We even can not find 12 guys above 1.90 cm who can defend and put the ball. Yigitoglu injured then, we only have Altuntas as a big from all 04,05,06,07 generations.

After Sengun, Turkish basketball is in danger.

[Toruko]

It is really annoying. Belguim is clearly better than us both u20 and u18 level. Even we have some good prospects, general level is really awful. We even can not find 12 guys above 1.90 cm who can defend and put the ball. Yigitoglu injured then, we only have Altuntas as a big from all 04,05,06,07 generations.

After Sengun, Turkish basketball is in danger.

The bigs are our smallest problem.

[TurkfromGermany]

This is the result of the bum hedo. His father, the biggest bum of the world recep tayyip erdogan ********* Turkiye in a more brutal way.

[Toruko]

We have built the U18 team on two 17 years old boys who have worked their butts off and a big who played a U20 tournament. The rest is truly trash.

[Toruko]

Well at least they fought but it was kinda expectable. Salih is a true Turkish big. Offensively gifted but slow as hell. There is loads of to do for Derin Can. The only glimmer of hope is Kaan Onat. This kid refuses to lose. I love him!