Turkish Prospects

[James Laurence]

I'm not quite sure, Rikh. Those who witnessed Tunceri at EC1999 (aged 20) and E. Arslan at WBC2002 and EC2003 (aged 19) believed these players were exceptional and on the verge of dominance in the near future. I even entertained the idea that Ender Arslan could become an NBA star. However, their trajectory has been disappointing, with each passing year showing a decline rather than improvement. Hakan Demirel and Engin Atsur, touted as promising prospects, appear to be on a similar downward trend, and they have already faded away without reaching their peak. Thus, when discussing a guard prospect, I approach it with caution.
Regards: Capcut Template new trends

[Camoka]

I know how important Derin Can is for us and I make my comments for this standards. For our main PG candidate for the next 15 years, unfortunately, I did not see enough flashes. I know he is one year younger but there are a lot of 07 born players in this tournament and he could not seperate himself from others. I did not expect from him to beat Bayern or Real but I expected more spectacular statlines or flashes. His team lost all three games and also, Turkey could not win a game on his shoulder last summer. And that tournament, all guys are 07 born or younger. For example, Alperen played a remarkable game against Nymburk which is fulled of senior Czech National team players when he was 17. Maybe it is not a good example but I am searching for a game showing us that yes, he is better and different than others. I hope I am wrong and he will show us how special he is in the u17 world cup and u18 european championship.

[Toruko]

I have seen enough and I am not disappointed at all. He played a lot and did a fine job making plays.

[Toruko]

https://twitter.com/canpekerpekcan/status/1751570784672182560

My final opinion is that he made a very good job creating for his teammates. Low TOs and secure with the ball. His team doesnt have a proper big so his assist numbers would be even higher than this. In addition to that he was able to get to the rim at any point. He also never forced to the rim, played very smartly.

In terms of shooting he has a really promising mid range jump shot. From the three point line 4/11 shots which is not bad but he has more upside here too. He just needs to get stronger.

We shouldnt take this overestimated ANGT tournament too serious but I like the level he plays right now. Was much more intensiv than the Turkish U19 league.

[TurkfromGermany]

Again, again, again and again.......what we can see in the case of Kerem Konan? Without a real chance the young good potential cant give you production, you must give those players a real opportunity. And its again a foreign coach that giving the turkish player this chance.

Turks have to be smarter to analyze things better. Kerem Konan was the rising star of the 2021-22 season of turkish youth leagues(like Melih Tunca was it in 2022-23) and + he was an absolutely late bloomer(another big advantage). In that season everyone saw that he has bigger potential as Berke Buyuktuncel. In that season you could say Buyuktuncel will at least reach a decent level at pro and Kerem Konan maybe not but in terms of upside their was only 1 answer and this was of course Kerem Konan. But U18 NT coachs target player was Buyuktuncel and Kerem Konan was even not one of the first players of the rotation and 1 year later(2023) he had again no real place in the team and Buyuktuncel was again the star of the team. In reality this is the right way for a U-NT. You must have target player or players and this opportunity made Buyuktuncel a draft candidate. Without coach Fikret Dogan, Buyuktuncel wouldnt be a draft candidate, not even close, not because Buyuktuncel had no potential, the problem was his offensive development over the last 2-3 years.

hahahahaha what a surprise, again a foreign coach creating a player for turkish NT. Yes you must work hard in training and must beat 10 foreign players with 18 years hahahahaha. If you are not good enough with 18 then you cant play and must sit on the bench for 5 years hahahahahah. Only turks believe in this bullshit, reality is completely different, reality is you must protect your prospect, you must show him the way, a rolemodel. This is the difference between Turkiye and Serbia, Greece, Spain, France, Lithuania etc......

[Toruko]

Despite being good Konan cant fill the role of Buyuktuncel because he cant produce with the ball in his hands. Buyuktuncel will always be the more valuable player but Buyuktuncel needs to activate his pick and roll upside at some point.

[TurkfromGermany]

Who is praising Saran just because of his last name? Peope do not talk about him for that surname reason its just stem from your imperfect perspective. Just because kid's family is famous you cannot talk this sort of bullshit. He has attracted attention since glimpsed in a positive way over the past two years. You devalue the things he does perfectly by finding her so-called flaws for freshmen. Firstly you have to define his game profile delicately. He is a not a pass first pg its very clear and but he does not make turnovers as well as not the clumsy with ball particularly very good ballhandler. Even if the basketball level is not that challenging in his conference still not that easy to dominate against those athletic freaks as freshmen. He made a perfect decision and wanted to play basketball while his freshmen season. Look at Jan Vide he takes 2 minutes per game. Also how about Ege Tan yildizoglu? Since you were saying he will be end up perfect pro player. He is also playing 3.2 pts avarage per game in a conferrance where the quality is "low". Also the American basketball style is pushing you induviduality and Saran is perfectly delivers in order to presence in that ambient. Turkish basketball badly needs ballhandler who can create for himself and dynamically drive the rim for scoring. Also his shooting is promising in the long run. Since he has plent of time to improve his game I am quite optimist his future and he will be worked good coaches and will gain experiences to pro basketball. Kid is freshmen and the tools what he has very rare in Turkish basketball. He will take over from Sipahi and Ugurlu and take into account the flaws of these two "pro's" before too harsh on Saran.

As for the U-20 camp Derin said byhimself that he was injury in that peried and left the national team for that season but you do not miss any chance to make criticism to this kid without know the details.

Derin will be good its for sure. Surely has some rooms to improve but will have plenty of time to overcome.

Another family with the money and impact of the Sarans would be much more active in hyping a family member, since 1-2 years we can see some a bit "show" articles about him but this is not too much. He even never was a real NT-player. If the Sarans would force this, coach Fikret Dogan would had no chance. He looked unbelievable talented in 2016 in the junior league all star game, even from that game the Saran family didnt upload anything from this show to youtube.This generation had a lot of games with the NT, even at U14 and this was the only team in which Derin Saran was a member of and he had even very solid showing and more importantly he looked just very talented in those games, but even there Tan Yildizoglu & Yigit Tekin both had bigger roles, all games were on youtube.

If you see the young Derin Saran the only thing you could say about this kid is, he is a natural born talent and should have a very bright future. The key was his baby body, if kid is so talented and has this baby body, he can only be better in the next years, but the thinks dont went that way. 1 year later he was by far the most talented player of the U13 turkish championship but after that season very unexpected things happened. He was not dominant at U14 and he had 2 more seasons in Turkiye and in the last season(corona-season 2020) he was already 180 and had muscles but he was just solid, not good or great, this was for me the reason to lose the big interest in Derin Saran. Its really a big surprise because those kind of players with natural talent and very unmature body can only be better in the next years just for example like Melih Tunca, Omer Ege Ziyaettin. Omer Ege was for example always very good but he is now even better againgst his opponents as previous years because his physical disadvantages are now fewer.

Yes turks are too focused in stats, how big is your role in the U-NT etc. Its really sad that we even read posts about Tan Yildizoglus game in this forum. Does really anyone think that Yildizoglu is a better player or prospect as for example Ozan Yilmaz(03, Final)? Sometimes a U-NT nomination or big role means nothing.

Toruko, im not talking about who is better now or who will be better in future. In that case im talking only about the 2021-22 season and even you are on my side because after the first division games of Kerem Konan you came here and wrote Konan is the next turkish NBA candidate and exactly this underlines that even for you Kerem Konan had more upside as Buyuktuncel.

[Toruko]

There is a reason why Konan has been playing 5 AND 4 all season. He can accelerate in open court but he cant handle the ball in half court and gives the ball always with hand offs. Without the ability to put the ball on the floor your upside is just an elite role player and Buyuktuncel is showing the same upside right now.

Konan impressed me too, thats right but you can never tell the value of a player when you didnt see him at pro level.

But I love what Konan is showing to us. Never expected him to start this season. I was speculating a rise of Samet but not even to that extend.

[Toruko]

https://twitter.com/canpekerpekcan/status/1753888763179040892

Omer Kutluay is an amazing passer, an outstanding talent. We must bring him and Derin Can Ustun to the highest levels.

[slice me nice]

David Mutaf's performance this season is progressing exactly in the line with the expectations I expressed earlier. He doesn't promise a hope for a higher level. He fails to be a more effective offensive weapon on the court. Apart from shooting, his abilities are really limited, so even in a team like Bursa where offensive diversity is weak, he can't be a main offensive weapon when he gets those minor minutes. He is almost non-existent in ball movement, only taking on a finishing role, with low passing quality and inability to direct the ball. I'm not even touching on the defensive aspect because he can't keep up with his opponents, he constantly receives negative grades in defense, which is the biggest reason why he doesn't get playing time, especially in critical moments.

He's a player who shines like a flash in the pan on his good days. This creates expectations among people. Especially this season, there are a few games, notably in the BCL, where he played quite well (or shot well, it's hard to say he is playing basketball, he just shoots). However, he is far from showing consistent performance throughout the season.

This season is really crucial for Mutaf as a reference, but it becomes a season where what he couldn't do overshadows what he did. Unless there's a big miracle, he will continue to have mediocre performances for the rest of the season except for a few games. When he returns to Gran Canaria, it's evident that he won't be more than a bench warmer. In lower-middle level Turkish teams, he might get a contract for the next season based on a few good scoring games that he output. However, the Euroleague level is a distant possibility due to his defensive vulnerability and offensive one-dimensionality, which is not even worth discussing.

[Toruko]

David Mutaf's performance this season is progressing exactly in the line with the expectations I expressed earlier. He doesn't promise a hope for a higher level. He fails to be a more effective offensive weapon on the court. Apart from shooting, his abilities are really limited, so even in a team like Bursa where offensive diversity is weak, he can't be a main offensive weapon when he gets those minor minutes. He is almost non-existent in ball movement, only taking on a finishing role, with low passing quality and inability to direct the ball. I'm not even touching on the defensive aspect because he can't keep up with his opponents, he constantly receives negative grades in defense, which is the biggest reason why he doesn't get playing time, especially in critical moments.

He's a player who shines like a flash in the pan on his good days. This creates expectations among people. Especially this season, there are a few games, notably in the BCL, where he played quite well (or shot well, it's hard to say he is playing basketball, he just shoots). However, he is far from showing consistent performance throughout the season.

This season is really crucial for Mutaf as a reference, but it becomes a season where what he couldn't do overshadows what he did. Unless there's a big miracle, he will continue to have mediocre performances for the rest of the season except for a few games. When he returns to Gran Canaria, it's evident that he won't be more than a bench warmer. In lower-middle level Turkish teams, he might get a contract for the next season based on a few good scoring games that he output. However, the Euroleague level is a distant possibility due to his defensive vulnerability and offensive one-dimensionality, which is not even worth discussing.

After having watched a couple of games I must agree here.

[TurkfromGermany]

There is a reason why Konan has been playing 5 AND 4 all season. He can accelerate in open court but he cant handle the ball in half court and gives the ball always with hand offs. Without the ability to put the ball on the floor your upside is just an elite role player and Buyuktuncel is showing the same upside right now.

Konan impressed me too, thats right but you can never tell the value of a player when you didnt see him at pro level.

But I love what Konan is showing to us. Never expected him to start this season. I was speculating a rise of Samet but not even to that extend.

You are again comparing both players at their current stage. I just talked about the 2021-22 season to show the users how fast the things at u level changes, how important momentum is etc. Second important point for me was to show that a turkish player shines again under a foreign coach.
In 2008 i have started to write in a german bb-forum. I was a reader of the forum but i have started because i had a mission. The only reason for me was to describe turkish users what must happen that turkish bb becomes successful. In 2019 i decided to write here even though i don't speak english. The reason were the names like Ergi Tirpanci(00) etc. i read here. My mission is that to show turkish users wich prospects we should follow and which ones not. We shouldn't forget everything so quickly, we shouldn't change our oppinion every day. Maybe Kerem Konan has a lost handle now but how it was in 2021-22? And is there zero potential too change it? Of course not. He even looked more like a SF as a PF, played many minutes as PG, we could even saw some shot creating. Im pretty sure he will add ballhandling to his skills and has a very good potential as mismatch, its all about possibility and momentum. We should follow a Buyuktuncel but we should not overrate his possible impact for the turkish NT because his position is full of other players/prospects and his potential is not that high that he could change the turkish NT. Berke cant change the turkish defense but Adem Bona can do that at a degree. Its really strange that some turks even saw Berke over Alperen. Are you kidding me? If a Demir Dogan would take it seriously, he would immediately become a much more important prospect as a Berke for turkish bb.

[TurkfromGermany]

Headliners for the 08 generation are Omer Ege Ziyaettin and Arda Ene but there are other interesting prospects too. Mustafa Yigit Acar(Bahcesehir Izmir) has good performances. The key is how much comes because of maturity? We should follow him.

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=2127

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=2341

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=2415

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=2689

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=2717

https://youtu.be/Ps5LDfL9p38?t=5968

https://www.tbf.org.tr/haber/16-yas-...adi-2024-01-26 on this photo you can see as first player from below right Mustafa Ozan Celik(Ege Asist). He could be very interesting.


Omer Alp Alitas(09) didnt have a good tournament but in the last game of the tournament he showed his big potential with a 20/20 game. Look at that big raw potential, has the potential for the full package. He must increase his understanding.

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=1064

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=1101

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=1387

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=1530

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=1829

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=2761

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=2940

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=2968

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=4324

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=4336

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=4416

https://youtu.be/uMFHu_3f9Aw?t=5203

Look at this babyface. Still 14, over 200 https://www.instagram.com/p/C01mm4kNMEa/

Demir Ozturk(09) is a very talented PF/F from Efes. Offensive talent + IQ and very good shot. Last summer i saw that he is as tall as the other talented versatile F Kaan Belgutay. If a versatile F or big has not solid size then he has no big chances for the next stages. Demir Ozturks size is solid, i hope he will add more inches and then we will see a very good prospect for the U16 NT, very talented offensive player.

[TurkfromGermany]

Sarp Coskun(Bahcesehir, SG/PG, 07) is a very interesting prospect. He has really everything for the next stages. Very raw prospect with promising upside. He should make further big steps in the next 1-2 years. In these highlights we cant see his versatility but he is very variable. Full package. He is not a PG, rather a combo as a SG/PG.

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=760

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=1914

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=2009

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=2731

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=2962

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=3132

https://youtu.be/R0fBlYktCQY?t=5899

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZzDVYdMB_4

[peker]

Omer Ege Ziyaettin (08'), first professional match with Fenerbahce Beko.