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With shoes Ibrahim Kutluay is 6,7(without 6,6=197-8), this is enough even for an european SG/SF prospect for the NBA, of course better is 6,8. Furkan is 6,8(with). Bogdan Bogdanovic is most likely 6,6,5-6,7(with) and he has the advantage of his versatility/IQ, but you can build this versatility, or better knowing how to play bb only if you have a real role in your european team, one thing turkish players never have. Therefore a small Omer Kutluay will never overcome this handicap because big turkish teams will never give a young turkish player the opportunity to make decisions. And if you cant make decisions then you have not the chance to become a player like Bogdan Bogdanovic, De Colo etc. Therefore the best thing for Omer will be to be 6,7 or 6,8, then the hype and way for NBA is completely open. For turkish bb would be a type of Bogdanovic better because exactly this is needed but to be Bogdanovic you must really play bb and this opportunity will never get a young Omer and we have Derin Can Ustun and Kaan Onat. If Omer would be a pure scorer with less playmaking and a size of 6,7 or 6,8, this would be the best for turkish bb. Even Onuralp Bitim was with 14 close to 190, but Onuralp couldnt add many inches, Furkan Korkmaz was with 15 193. Mostly after 16 you cant add many inches, Berkan Durmaz was with 16 already 200 and with 20 at Adidas Eurocamp 202, Metecan was with 15 already 200 and at Adidas Eurocamp 203,5. Derin Can Ustun is most likely something like 187, Kaan Onat 192-3, both are very childish with wide body and zero beard, i think both could add 4-5 cm and will have the best sizes for their positions. With 14 you can add many many inches, i think that Omer Kutluay will add in the next 1-2 years many inches and after next season we will see a Omer with over 190 with 15. With 14 you have enough time, with already 16 you will not have good chances. Of course all data are without shoes. -
Who said Demir Dogan cant shoot? We defend like shit. Our 1 vs 1 defense is a catastrophe. Quarter Finals will most likely be the last station but Dogan and Tunca are great. Tunca especially has everything to be a high level European PG. I love how he solves issues when he gets doubled. He is tall and sees many things. He could have easily more than 10 assists today. He absorbs every contact very well when he drives to the rim, his mid range shot looks so smooth and most importantly he is a solid defender.Comment
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Tunca what a player!! If he also starts knocking down his 3 pointers when the defense goes under he might even have nba potential. But of course still a very very long way to goOriginally posted by Toruko View PostComment
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He is not a NBA style player but he resembles a bit to Papaloukas or these old tall yugo guards. I love his decision making.Originally posted by Ibo View PostComment
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I definitely can see that, and yeah I actually dont really care about the nba that much if he could become a starting pg in EL for several years that would be perfect for us. Very exciting years for efes too melih tunca, Omer kutluay and kaan onat are all amazing prospects wish they would have a team in TBL instead of TB2LOriginally posted by Toruko View PostComment
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Demir Dogan has rehabilitated from his bad summer and can again be seen as a clear NBA potential prospect. His fluidity on the court, post up creations, court vision and passing abilities as well as his development as a shooter makes him really interesting. I would even say he has profile wise a full offensive package but there is more.
His lateral quickness against shorter guys is amazing! He is also great as a weak side defender and is also able to protect the rim. He just needs to work on his body and on his shot. We can surely argue about his touch around the rim but there is nothing that cant be fixated.Comment
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Melih Tunca couldn't play in the game against Germany yesterday due to a fever he had, which caused fatigue. If he had played, we most likely would have secured the first place in the group and reached the semifinals through a more reasonable path. But it doesn't matter. One of the biggest mistakes made in Turkish basketball for years is evaluating players' potential based on the results of youth tournaments. As a result, we have overvalued some players, though they may be in the minority, and underrated others, even though they might be evaluated more talented. What matters is for the players to see these tournaments as opportunities to show themselves, and even when things don't go well, to stay mentally strong and strive to follow the right path in basketball. There's no luxury to disconnect from the game after falling behind at this level, as demonstrated by Buyuktuncel's performance against Spain.
In the first three matches, both Tunca and Demirel's individual performances were satisfying. Especially Demirel exceeded expectations in terms of defense and showed that he can contribute when trusted. He stands out from the typical profile of a regular big man. He's one of the players that should see TBL level as soon as possible. Dogan's performance was okay, but he is still far from showing the expected level. It's not even possible to run a set based on his shooting, and at some point, he forces the team to play in a narrower area. His shooting is not the same as last year, but most of his successful shots came from necessity positions. When he becomes a real threat from the perimeter, we will talk about him on a different level, but it's a fact that I don't see him achieving that soon.
As a long-term prospect, Ege Akcay is the most special player of the '06 generation for me as I stated before. Akcay couldn't perform well in the preparation tournament due to a minor injury he had and didn't participate in the actual tournament, but he will undoubtedly have a serious breakthrough in this generation at some point.
Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.Mustafa Kemal ATATURKComment
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As a long-term prospect, Ege Akcay is the most special player of the '06 generation for me as I stated before. Akcay couldn't perform well in the preparation tournament due to a minor injury he had and didn't participate in the actual tournament, but he will undoubtedly have a serious breakthrough in this generation at some point.
If I need to be honest I cant't envision a world where ege akcay has a higher ceilling and more potential than demir doganComment
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No problem if some people see in Ege Akcay more potential. This is not strange, both have great potential. Ege Akcay would had his breakout season as early as this season if his coach had not stopped him. Next season he will probably have a full highlight season and everyone will talk about him. He is totally different as the other turkish SF prospects in the past. Tibet Gorener got so much hype and Ege is comparable to him but Ege has so much much more upside. We must always focus on individual talent, this is the key.
Its great how intelligent Demir Dogan is, in offense and defense. That makes me really very happy and still not with very much effort.Comment
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We cannot even get rebound and desperately missing size in every position. Coach is still insist on playing with three short backcourt players. Is it realy hardto think take Demir to sf?Comment
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Mehmet efe demirel the new Omer asik????
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He has potential to be a very good defender. Physically there is no limitation to be a good defender. Fast legs, high and wide Shoulders, lateral quickness, height, wingspan, strength but in terms of positioning and reacting to situations he can be really horrible. The three fouls today at the end were horrible to watch and he doesnt seem to be a fast learner.Originally posted by Ibo View PostMehmet efe demirel the new Omer asik????)Comment
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These 05 guys, Tunca and Demirel, deserve praises. Both have potential to be a senior NT level player. I hope they beat Spain tomorrow. They need some attention.Comment
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