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  • #61
    Originally posted by Victorious View Post
    Korkmaz also has the same age as Osman btw.
    No he is 97' born guy. Where did you obtain this info?
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    • #62
      Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
      No he is 97' born guy. Where did you obtain this info?
      I believe it was the assistant coach of Efes who was once was invited through Skype on a Greek basketball show. He mentioned it in that show as it came up when they were discussing the future agenda of Efes. At least I am positive that another youngster of Efes was the same age as Osman. Either Korkmaz or Ulubay. Probably Korkmaz, because he played some games.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Victorious View Post
        I believe it was the assistant coach of Efes who was once was invited through Skype on a Greek basketball show. He mentioned it in that show when they were discussing the future agenda of Efes. At least I am positive that another youngster of Efes was the same age as Osman. Either Korkmaz or Ulubay.
        It is for Ulubay yes. He is 95' born guy but there is nothing wrong with the age of Korkmaz.
        Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
          It is for Ulubay yes. He is 95' born guy but there is nothing wrong with the age of Korkmaz.
          Could be. Perhaps you are right.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Victorious View Post
            I believe it was the assistant coach of Efes who was once was invited through Skype on a Greek basketball show. He mentioned it in that show as it came up when they were discussing the future agenda of Efes. At least I am positive that another youngster of Efes was the same age as Osman. Either Korkmaz or Ulubay. Probably Korkmaz, because he played some games.
            We've heard age falsification story about many players (including Sipahi), but that's the first time I hear anything about Korkmaz. The other player might be Emircan Kosut, born in 95, who also played in a few EL games.
            I really doubt Korkmaz's age is falsified.

            PS. Ulubay's age was corrected from 97 to 96 after a funny incident. i don;t remember details but I think his mother or father, after a divorce, wrote a letter to NT, complaining that they actually registered him 1 year after birth. So it was not a falsification, but late registry with wrong date. Okben was then expelled from u16(?) roster.
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            • #66
              Age falsification is not the problem of Turkish players. We've heard these stories because young players who come from Balkan countries want to make a good impression among Turkish basketball and register their ages by performing falsification.

              I am really into Turkish prospects and I can easily say there is no age falsification between ethnic Turkish players.
              Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
                We've heard age falsification story about many players (including Sipahi), but that's the first time I hear anything about Korkmaz. The other player might be Emircan Kosut, born in 95, who also played in a few EL games.
                I really doubt Korkmaz's age is falsified.

                PS. Ulubay's age was corrected from 97 to 96 after a funny incident. i don;t remember details but I think his mother or father, after a divorce, wrote a letter to NT, complaining that they actually registered him 1 year after birth. So it was not a falsification, but late registry with wrong date. Okben was then expelled from u16(?) roster.
                It was definitely not Kosut. It is the first time a hear about him. "Slice me nice" said it was Ulubay, so we have a clear candidate.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                  Age falsification is not the problem of Turkish players. We've heard these stories because young players who come from Balkan countries want to make a good impression among Turkish basketball and register their ages by performing falsification.
                  Maybe, but I doubt it's one-sided. The teams that brought/hired them obviously wanted to use the opportunity when these kids were being given citizenship and they just tweaked a few data, including birth dates . Sipahi (Spahi by his original name) is possibly one of them.

                  Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                  I am really into Turkish prospects and I can easily say there is no age falsification between ethnic Turkish players.
                  Nowadays maybe. I've also been hearing from reliable sources that practice has stopped for a while now. But it wasn't always the case. We've had many Turkish players with falsified ages in the past, but they're either retired or getting retired these days.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Victorious View Post
                    Korkmaz also has the same age as Osman btw.
                    It's nonsense I have been watching him since he 14 years old I have never heard about his age falsifying. I'm pretty sure you have no any tangible prove in spite of that accusing young guy.Shame! Anyway It's wrong topic to discuss this.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
                      Nowadays maybe. I've also been hearing from reliable sources that practice has stopped for a while now. But it wasn't always the case. We've had many Turkish players with falsified ages in the past, but they're either retired or getting retired these days.
                      Since we are talking about age, today is my birthday That practice has stopped because the power of Balkan lobby on Turkish basketball has decreased. Nihat İziç. I just can blame him about all the age falsification. He is responsible of Turkish youth basketball program and he is behind of all these stories. I don't know how does he get benefit from this type of recruitment.
                      Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                      Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                        Since we are talking about age, today is my birthday That practice has stopped because the power of Balkan lobby on Turkish basketball has decreased. Nihat İziç. I just can blame him about all the age falsification. He is responsible of Turkish youth basketball program and he is behind of all these stories. I don't know how does he get benefit from this type of recruitment.
                        Well, if a player isn't made soon enough, you can see what happened to Markoishvili - he would never get the chance he did and become a player he became if people wouldn't believe he was a 86' born (is actualy 84' I was told). How anyone other benefits here, isn't completely clear to me, player and his manager obviously do, it could be it's some sort of a favour to some manager etc.

                        ...and of course, happy birthday man
                        Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
                        That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
                          Well, if a player isn't made soon enough, you can see what happened to Markoishvili - he would never get the chance he did and become a player he became if people wouldn't believe he was a 86' born (is actualy 84' I was told). How anyone other benefits here, isn't completely clear to me, player and his manager obviously do, it could be it's some sort of a favour to some manager etc.

                          ...and of course, happy birthday man
                          Thank you JPF You are right, when I watch youth tournaments, generally I concentrate on the physical power of players because that makes the difference in that level.

                          For example Sipahi has u18 MVP title and I think this will give benefit to him, his manager and family.
                          Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                          Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                            Since we are talking about age, today is my birthday That practice has stopped because the power of Balkan lobby on Turkish basketball has decreased. Nihat İziç. I just can blame him about all the age falsification. He is responsible of Turkish youth basketball program and he is behind of all these stories. I don't know how does he get benefit from this type of recruitment.
                            Happy birthday, then

                            Now I just remembered we used to have happy b-day threads here at IBN... I guess we were too few then .
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
                              Happy birthday, then

                              Now I just remembered we used to have happy b-day threads here at IBN... I guess we were too few then .
                              Thank you, I wish I could start to write in IBN earlier.
                              Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                              Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                              • #75
                                yeah, evaluating those players at the junior stage is always risky. Almost an impossible job if you're not a pro and you develop that 6th sense smelling how these players will end up at their physical peak. And even those are wrong lots of times.
                                Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
                                That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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