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  • Maybe I will, but unlikely. The backcourt with Larkin, Korkmaz, Cedi will be somewhat opportunistic, somewhat chucking, somewhat too individualistic, somewhat lacking higher IQ and the decision making. The success is possible, but generally unlikely when you will be facing more fundamentally sound teams as France, Serbia, Spain, Slovenia, Lithuania, Greece (all de facto and by official ranking top 6 Fiba Europe teams).
    Spain, France, Greece and Serbia are now indeed a problem. Those teams are right now favorites but Slovenia and Lithuania dont scare me at all. Not now and in the future not a bit.

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    • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
      Spain, France, Greece and Serbia are now indeed a problem. Those teams are right now favorites but Slovenia and Lithuania dont scare me at all. Not now and in the future not a bit.
      Well, I hear that basically since 2007 when I joined this forum. One or other Turkish fellow always raised the bar for Turkey high prior the tournament and via tournament rankings. But it never pans out. In all these years Turkey failed to establish fundamentally sound team and it doesn't have one now either. But I acknowledge certain improvement. It will be interesting what Sengun will add to the team. But there's no substantial change in the roster and specially basketball culture that you could be treated as anything more than a dark horse.
      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
      Buzelis, Lelevicius
      Murauskas, Sirvydis
      Tubelis, Krivas

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      • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
        Well, I hear that basically since 2007 when I joined this forum. One or other Turkish fellow always raised the bar for Turkey high prior the tournament and via tournament rankings. But it never pans out. In all these years Turkey failed to establish fundamentally sound team and it doesn't have one now either. But I acknowledge certain improvement. It will be interesting what Sengun will add to the team. But there's no substantial change in the roster and specially basketball culture that you could be treated as anything more than a dark horse.
        Then lets wait and see

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        • Originally posted by okanial View Post
          Currently I'd have Metecan Birsen on the roster as PF but he shouldn't get much time. We will probably play a lot of 2 centers line up with Şengün Yurtseven and Şanlı. And playing small worked good for us especially under Ataman system so Cedi can play 4 for some stretches with a lot of shooters. I'd have Yurtseven at 5 when we try that.
          Metecan is a total bum. He sleeps half of the game and he is a stupid guy without BB knowledge and the worst he cant shoot. I would take 100 times a 17 year old Kerem Konan than this bum but you are right he will probably be on board.

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          • David Mutaf is a scorer not a shooter and I still have hope hell learn some pick and roll action. It would have been great if he trained with Sloukas but ok

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            • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
              https://twitter.com/David23Mutaf/sta...60635485032449

              David Mutaf is a scorer not a shooter and I still have hope hell learn some pick and roll action. It would have been great if he trained with Sloukas but ok
              He should learn how to do pump fake, he could be easily blocked in the next level with those shots.

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              • Sadik Emir Kabaca with 2 very important 3 pointer but this kid is really not ready for the NT what a pity. He has almost everything. Shot, wingspan, defensive contact fast legs but he lacks BBIQ. He really doesnt know whats going on on the court when he defends. Kenan Kuthan Konan is really much further but when he started to deliver he got injured. We solve the problem next season.

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                • Samet Yigitoglu with 8 points 8 rebounds in 11 minutes in the first game of ANGT finals. Really fluent for a 7'1 center but is still very raw. Depending on how fast he develops NBA upside is there.

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                  • Tarik Biberovic had a very solid game in the playoff last game in Istanbul against Bursa. I always claimed it and I will keep doing it. Talent wise this kid is the best prospect in Europe he just took the wrong path. Amazing offensive potential with 6'7 has still the upside being the better Bogdan Bogdanovic. I love his shot from deep, it looks always smooth, he can put the ball on the floor, he can pass, he can be used as a slasher.

                    I am sure that hell land in the NBA in some years.

                    As someone who rejected Bosnia's invitation to play for Turkey I am happy to see that his Turkish is developing. His status in Fiba is not quite clear if he will play for Turkey as a naturalized or not.

                    Defensively he is a mess right now.

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                    • Originally posted by gockun View Post
                      This comparison has not aged well so far man. Garuba is shuttling between G-league and Rockets while Alperen shows glimpses of what he is capable of.
                      By the way what happened to the guys imported by Tofas and Efes from Nigeria and Kyrgyzistan respectively?
                      The Nigerian is kinda overrated, physical dominance comparison to his peers, nothing more. I am quite sad to learn the guy from Kyrgyzstan is back home. I thought he could have a room in Efes youth setup cause he seemed a lethal talent to me.

                      Searching talent in Turkic countries is very important. No talent should be missed. Contrary to popular belief, the volume of player pool in Turkic countries has been rising recently. Go and look the roster of Russian youth teams. You will see some of Turkic guys playing for Russian youth teams.
                      Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                      Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                      • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
                        My favorite guy who I expect to make a similar jump next season is Kerem Kuthan Konan. He is ready to take of and brings everything what I expect from a power forward.



                        He already made 3-4 very convincing BSL games being October 2004 born. He fights for every ball, can rebound, defend, create from post, dunk and shoot. He cant create shots for now but is exactly what we need. Next season will be his breakout season with Besiktas.

                        The second guy who is the near the NT level is Sadik Emir Kabaca of Galatasaray. Almost 2001 born between 6'10 and 6'11 Idk with a huge wingspan and a clear shot and solid contact defense responds to most of the needs of the NT

                        Looking for new #Basketball talents? Then check out Sadik Emir Kabaca and his amazing plays for Galatasaray NEF at the FIBA Basketball Champions League!Check...


                        He has some coordination problems but could make his jump next season.

                        The next guy should be 2002 born stretch four of University of Miami Tibet Görener who will need 2-3 years.



                        To give an impression

                        Next is my favorite guy who plays in the second team in Murcia (2004) 6'7 to 6'8 Yigit Hamza Mestoglu. A hell of a fighter. Has a polished body and a similar good post game to Alperen Sengün when he was at his age. He has started to shoot and has already taken minutes with the A team. I love him.

                        Mezoglu, 22 rojoImágenes pertenecientes a la FEBPartido: Refitel Lliria - UCAM, liga EBA, fase clasificación Grupo EVídeo que recoge la actuación de Hamza Me...


                        The next both are Berke Büyüktuncel also 2004 born probably 6'10 with great defensive tools and shot but this kid has mental issues and needs couple of years but is a legit talent

                        Full ANGT Award winners and nominees: https://id-prospects.com/angt-istanbul-2021-awards


                        Lacks explosiveness and vertical pop but is a great defender and can create his shot.

                        Last but not least is Demir Dogan.

                        I recognize problems and try to measure talent objectively. All those mentioned guys except Berke Büyüktuncel are clear (at least) Euroleague material.
                        If you claim that turkish NT will be one of the top nations then you must come with serious names in the 20´s and not with kids. Other problem is that most of the mentioned names are SF and not PF.

                        It would be not a huge surprise if Kerem Konan would go in first round in the draft 2023. In first division he played as PF but there was no 2nd PF in team and in practice with the a team and in youth league he was SF and even sometimes PG in youth league. This kid is a special prospect, we have already Demir Dogan as PF and Kerem Konan will developement his ballhandling, shooting and creating if he plays SF, he even showed PnR potential as facilator. And all this even almost without bb background.

                        Tibet Görener is not tough enough, has not the perfect height for PF and would never ever play PF if he doesn´t move to USA. Almost a lost prospect because of highschool-NCAA......

                        Big fan of Hamza Mestoglu and like Kerem Konan, he has potential to play both F-positions but even he played much games in Spain this year as SF.

                        Berke Büyüktuncel´s problem is the bum club Tofas. This club is the biggest joke......

                        Demir Dogan posted a video from Camp Nou, that means he will play for Barca next season.

                        The problem is, our PF´s in the 28-27-25´s etc. are all bums. Sadik Kabaca(00) has huge potential, if he develops well in the next 1-2 years we will have finally a great player at 4 and overall we have really many options as prospects but those names are kids therefore we must wait.

                        Efes lost to Besiktas in the youth league and is out. People think Efes had a bad team. Efes had by far the best team in the league. Not the result is important, talent is important. Efes had even 6-7 serious prospects in team but without motivation you can lose. Efes´s team next year will be fun to watch with Melih Tunca, Ali Hamza Altin, Berkay Dönmez, Mehmet Efe Demirel. Everybody will see what a big G-prospect Melih Tunca is.

                        Efes won the U16 championship but almost zero interesting players in the 06 generation(Efes had 2 good 07 prospects). Besiktas had 3 good prospects, Yagiz Aksu(G), Berkay Karaisci is a raw very interesting SF. Eren Karakaya an interesting PF. Derin Can Üstün(07) showed why he is best G-prospect of the country.

                        Ahmet Gürgen(chef of Besiktas youth and former Banvit) will move to Fener, huge upgrade for Fener.

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                        • If you claim that turkish NT will be one of the top nations then you must come with serious names in the 20´s and not with kids. Other problem is that most of the mentioned names are SF and not PF.
                          I just explained SF that there are many options for the future. The truth is that the Turkish NT this summer is already a top 8 candidate and considering how young the team is it can just be better and my post was matched to a condition that if Bona turns out to be the player that I am expecting him to become. I know you have some trouble to explain yourself in English but the point is that we have all reason to be optimistic.

                          Last but not least these positions SF or PF etc doesnt exist anymore. All of the guys that I mentioned are forwards. If one or the other are not perfected suited who cares? There are many guys and just that counts.

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                          • https://www.eurohoops.net/en/fiba/13...ung-prospects/

                            Samet Yigitoglu and Demir Dogan are returning to Besiktas Icrypex

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                            • Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
                              The Nigerian is kinda overrated, physical dominance comparison to his peers, nothing more. I am quite sad to learn the guy from Kyrgyzstan is back home. I thought he could have a room in Efes youth setup cause he seemed a lethal talent to me.

                              Searching talent in Turkic countries is very important. No talent should be missed. Contrary to popular belief, the volume of player pool in Turkic countries has been rising recently. Go and look the roster of Russian youth teams. You will see some of Turkic guys playing for Russian youth teams.
                              Thank you for the info Slice

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                              • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
                                I just explained SF that there are many options for the future. The truth is that the Turkish NT this summer is already a top 8 candidate and considering how young the team is it can just be better and my post was matched to a condition that if Bona turns out to be the player that I am expecting him to become. I know you have some trouble to explain yourself in English but the point is that we have all reason to be optimistic.

                                Last but not least these positions SF or PF etc doesnt exist anymore. All of the guys that I mentioned are forwards. If one or the other are not perfected suited who cares? There are many guys and just that counts.
                                For turkish bb, only goal can be reaching the level of the top nations(Spain, France, Serbia, Lithuania, Slovenia(Doncic), Lithuania hasn't an impressive talent pool but they had more success in the last 10 years as other countries, except 2-3 others) because we have the biggest country in Europe, our federation has by far the biggest budget and the media and social media is full of bb in Turkey. Too reach and stay at this level you need real talent pool, not for 3 years, only goal can be become a real top nation and for this you need real talent pool and you can reach this only with EL. You need real players at EL level. In Turkey, only foreign coaches giving turkish players minutes. Bugrahan Tuncer had his break out under foreign coach. Kemzura gave boran Güler minutes last year, without Kemzura he had zero minutes. Under Pistiolis, Sadik Kabaca´s role is much bigger. Djordjevic gives even a bum like Metecan Birsen minutes etc. etc. etc. etc......without real EL-players, success will always be very short and don´t expect that the clown ergin ataman will give turkish players minutes in EL, this is just a big dream.........

                                You are right, SF or PF, there is almost no difference anymore but if a very young player like Kerem Konan shows PnR potential, creating his own shot and working on his ballhandling, then it´s clear this player must play SF for his development.

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