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  • #76
    Playing with guys like Kenan, onuralp, okben instead of tuncer-melih makes a big difference huh? Even playing with a good okben instead of cedi makes a big difference as he is such a high IQ player

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    • #77
      The quality of the opponents in the first two games was too low that making any meaningful conclusions based on these games is not on solid ground. As I mentioned before, this tournament was an unmissable opportunity for players like Bona and Buyuktuncel, whom we expected to have significant roles in the national team, to integrate into the team. However, both of them missed this opportunity due to injuries. The only serious game we will play will be against Croatia and I don't think we'll have any problems in that game either.

      If we ignore the fact that Sengun and Yurtseven heavily outweigh at this level, the most noteworthy individual development, including the preparation games, is Bitim's ability to create significant productivity and efficiency in the offense with a minor role and less ball usage compared to his club team. It's extremely important for him to show that he can contribute in minimal roles to increase his chances of holding onto a spot in the NBA. The most unexpected development for me so far is Kabaca being placed at the end of the rotation by Ataman. Although Osmani has justified the minutes he's received in terms of performance, I was expecting Kabaca to be placed ahead of Osmani in the rotation.
      Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
      Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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      • #78
        Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
        The quality of the opponents in the first two games was too low that making any meaningful conclusions based on these games is not on solid ground. As I mentioned before, this tournament was an unmissable opportunity for players like Bona and Buyuktuncel, whom we expected to have significant roles in the national team, to integrate into the team. However, both of them missed this opportunity due to injuries. The only serious game we will play will be against Croatia and I don't think we'll have any problems in that game either.

        If we ignore the fact that Sengun and Yurtseven heavily outweigh at this level, the most noteworthy individual development, including the preparation games, is Bitim's ability to create significant productivity and efficiency in the offense with a minor role and less ball usage compared to his club team. It's extremely important for him to show that he can contribute in minimal roles to increase his chances of holding onto a spot in the NBA. The most unexpected development for me so far is Kabaca being placed at the end of the rotation by Ataman. Although Osmani has justified the minutes he's received in terms of performance, I was expecting Kabaca to be placed ahead of Osmani in the rotation.
        I am fan of both players, but in this moment Osmani is more formed package tbh. 2nd reason is that Ataman often plays with two centers, so their minutes are even more reduced

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        • #79
          An Ukraine upset against Croatia is very possible.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Toruko View Post

            lol this is bullshit
            I don't think he is wrong tbh. Atm we dont really have a 4 who we could fully trust and play serious minutes, ofc for the future buyuktuncel is going to be there but atm we only have osmani. Sengun-yurtseven isn't ideal they would struggle a lot against better opponents. We have to play them together because as of right now tere isnt really a 4 who we can trust blindly. I really hope buyuktuncel bas a monster Year and goes around the 20-30 range. We really need him

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Ibo View Post

              I don't think he is wrong tbh. Atm we dont really have a 4 who we could fully trust and play serious minutes, ofc for the future buyuktuncel is going to be there but atm we only have osmani. Sengun-yurtseven isn't ideal they would struggle a lot against better opponents. We have to play them together because as of right now tere isnt really a 4 who we can trust blindly. I really hope buyuktuncel bas a monster Year and goes around the 20-30 range. We really need him
              To see the PF position as a weakness atm is nonsense. OF course neither SEK nor Osmani are a 2010 Ilyasova but they are fine and will get better and better. The far worse situation is rim protection and the pick and roll defense since Yurtseven has been doing a terrible job on the defensive end. I see Bona and Sengun as a starting five guys in the long term. We need Bona fill the gaps

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              • #82
                When considering both the preparation games and official games, Korkmaz provides a somewhat decent scoring contribution, but falls far short of the expected in-game impact. He tends to get lost in extended sequences throughout the game. He is a significant defensive liability. He can not engage effectively through physical contact, thus failing to add any aggression to the game. In previous summers, he would at least strive to increase the tempo, but that effort seems absent also this summer. With his current form, he's likely to remain nothing more than a garbage time player in the NBA incoming season. His injury might have some influence, of course, but he hasn't found his shooting rhythm since the beginning of the summer. Especially in a tournament where Osman isn't present, he should take on more offensive responsibility, yet he defers also to Sengun. His conversion rate of created positions into points is also below expectations, plus the baskets he scores by creating his own shot can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Hopefully, he can make a difference as expected in the game against Croatia; otherwise, claiming that the contribution we get from Korkmaz against weak teams we play against could have been obtained from even Mahmutoglu at the same level wouldn't be an unfounded statement. In short, the upcoming season won't be easy for him. He needs a significant recovery. He's currently overshadowed by the stardom Sengun is achieving.
                Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
                Mustafa Kemal ATATURK

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                • #83
                  Both Osmani and Kabaca are for their age better then many EL starting PFs and big nonsence is claiming that yurt can play better on that position then natural power forward with shooting capabilities. Basketball changed a lot dudes, you can't afford anymore forward who can't stretch and shoot.

                  Also for Korkmaz is true that he will be garbage player until he comes back in Europe(Hopefullly not in Fener). Like I said we have big problem with shooting guard and maybe Ataman should try more with Bitim - Ulubay rotation on 2 and 3

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                  • #84
                    I see very nice things in Serngun's development. Seems like he will be a beast in FIBA, unlike M. Gasol, Sabonis, Vucevic and such...Super flexible. If he can shoot even with some 35% taking 2-3 threes per game...Anyway, one day he'll probably be ALL NBA guy and likely superstar in FIBA. Good piece for Turkey, potentially the most dominant player of all time.

                    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                    Buzelis, Lelevicius
                    Murauskas, Sirvydis
                    Tubelis, Krivas

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                    • #85
                      I think we al have been a little too harsh on furkan korkmaz, it looks like he has a chronic back or shoulder(I don't remember Exactly what the journalist said) injury which is why he hasn't really been like himself. The journalist said that the doctors coudn't figure out what was wrong even after detailed examination and that this has been going on for over a year. Furkan also said yesterday after the game that he will talk about these things when the time is right so let's wait and See.

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                      • #86
                        Tomorrow Alperen will show everyone what is to be a real star of a team. We turks have never had such an experience because our biggest names were often(almost always) scrubs at NT. An Ender Arslan was even not rarely the player for crucial minutes for us because our "stars" played like shit like almost always.​

                        Originally posted by c-myers View Post
                        I am going to point out that the presence of Sengun and his willingness, perseverance, attitudes on the court spread all over his teammates and boosted all team's energy. Sengun is indisputable leader. The players like Sengun also contributes the team spirit drasdically. That was impressive even in that age he got shown his self confident and took over the leadership and conviced everyone in the team.
                        You can compete all along the players like Sengun not merely talent as well as character wise he exceptional out of Turkish players.
                        Excellent, super, great post. Alperens impact is much more as what we see. You cant judge only his game on the court.

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                        • #87
                          Turkey still ain't ready to challenge tier 2 teams. They got good individual quality and might be ready for a good run in 2025 but a second consecutive summer without international basketball for them is dissapointing nevertheless.
                          1997 - 2012 - 2013

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by R1ou View Post
                            Turkey still ain't ready to challenge tier 2 teams. They got good individual quality and might be ready for a good run in 2025 but a second consecutive summer without international basketball for them is dissapointing nevertheless.
                            True

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                            • #89
                              Most had very high hopes for this team but they forgot very quickly that in the end of the day Turkey has the SCRUB mentality that is very deeply ingrained into it's basketball/sports culture. After 4 easy wins against some weak teams the fans and the players probably though that this Final game was nothing but a formality and Croatia proved us all wrong. Even though Croatia is nowhere near their best years as a national team they still have a few top players, they have the fighter mentality and good basketball basics/traditions that are common for all Ex-Yugo nations. Just can't understand how so many people underestimated them...

                              The game was a perfect storm for a failure- Croatia started very strong and was shooting lights out from 3 in the first half while Saric was dominating. At the same time Turkey's offense just wasn't working- in many cases the ball was just not going in from open positions. Sengun went into foul trouble early- neither him nor Yurtseven could get into rhythm because they were just undersized against Zubac. The first half was just pure panic and chaos for our guys. In the third quarter things were looking better but once you go down like 20 at the half it is very hard to come back and win.

                              Still I believe that Turkey has the potential to be a good team in a couple years.
                              Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa yaşa;
                              Adın yazılacak mücevher taşa.

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                              • #90
                                I wish Ukraine won against Croatia because I know that the final game won't be easy. Croatia is not a perfect team but an experienced one. Zubac is a real NBA player, Saric has weaknesses but he is really mature, Hezonja is a part of Euroleague winner team and Smith is a Euroleague guard. They have a weak bench but there are some little guys who can shoot.

                                Probably, these 4 guys would be a star for this Turkish team. Unfortunately, they also have better coach. I like Ataman but his national team run is a disappointment. We lost against Latvia, Serbia, Georgia, Spain, France and now Croatia in summer games. I do not even count window games. He lost all key games. Our best player Sengun does not play in his position. He is a center. He won TCL MVP at 5, he played 2 season at 5 in Houston. Ataman and Ene forced him to play at 4 for his all national team journey. I expected Ataman to start with Sertac. He is anti Tavares and Gobert and Ataman discovered it but he almost not give a chance against Zubac.

                                The Croatia coach just lets Hazer and Sipahi shot and not defend at all. He realized our weaknesses but we did not do anything special for Croatia. It is time to resign for both Turkoglu and Ataman. It is not acceptable in our home. In past, we could win at home at least. Now, we can not win even against teams like Croatia.​

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