Turkish NT 2023

[TurkfromGermany]

Hazer has been quite mediocre this season and couldn't make that leap that is expected from him.

This is a very weak argument. We are talking about turkish bb. We will see similar situations always in turkish bb, one season a player gets minutes and next season not and this happened without a reason, he played always well if he got minutes. This is the destiny of turkish players, especially in EL-teams. The problem is to be found in the turkish system, not at Sehmus Hazer. Hazer had a great eurobasket as a role player. Turkish bb doesnt have the luxury of losing a player like that. Turkish bb needs stability, a face, an identity and this is possible if you have the right players some years in the NT together. Right player is Hazer. He proved that at Eurobasket. Even in Belgrad Sehmus Hazer was the reason for the comeback against Serbia, especially in the first half.

[c-myers]

I agree that Sehmus is extremely useful player for national team an proved it. I would take Sehmus over any player like Ozdemiroglu, Tuncer, Mahmutoglu etc. Some players even if having mediocre season with its team still make impact in national team and might give contribution. We cannot lose players like Sehmus. Korkmaz also mediocre season and should we take him out of national team? National team is another strory and team performance is not only criteria.

[slice me nice]

If you read my post so carelessly like this, it's perfectly normal for you to come up with such nonsensical and funny arguments. No one is excluding Korkmaz or Hazer. Moreover, you can choose not to include Hazer in NT after his mediocre season, but you can't even think the same about Korkmaz. They are players of different levels. You're giving a bad example. If you look at the lineup I created, you can see that I have already included Hazer in my list. My emphasis was on using Bitim more as a shooting guard and making a move to benefit from Yilmaz, who had a great season, by adding him behind Osman. I highlighted that Yilmaz' addition to the roster could be a logical move. Otherwise, I agree with you to some extent about Hazer. Hazer is still a promising player with qualities that we can use in the NT, and I don't have a thought of giving up on him. In my opinion, Yilmaz is a player of value who should be included in the rotation, and the idea of excluding Hazer from the team is a significant possibility that should not be underestimated.

However, it is true that Hazer has not been able to reflect the momentum he gained from Eurobasket in the Euroleague arena. Blaming everything on the problems in Turkish basketball seems lame and unrealistic to me. Hazer is still a player who lacks consistency in his shot that lacks confidence while making it and does more harm than good to team play at the highest level. Hazer is the same player he was two years ago. What has he added to himself since his time at Besiktas? Is it wrong to question this player's work ethic? Don't be naive, guys. The biggest weakness of Turkish basketball players in general is their failure to make extra efforts despite having all the facilities at their disposal and only going one scheduled training session to another. It is clear how players like Kabaca, Yilmaz, or Bitim, whom I have personally witnessed doing extra work, have made their breakthroughs. When you see that players like Hazer, who only earn the label "hardworking" by showing high energy on the court, but do not make any efforts off-court despite being aware of their own liabilities, your respect for the player naturally diminishes.

Which country's basketball system can you cite as an example except for Spain or France? There are serious problems in Turkish basketball, and I can truly talk about this topic until morning, but it is not the right approach to attribute every negative situation to these problems. Hazer received more playing time and responsibility than expected in the Eurobasket and delivered on it. At this level, the expectation was for him to get at least 10 minutes of playing time in the Euroleague. Are Turkish coaches at fault, or foreign coaches, or is it just a problem with the work ethic of Turkish players? Don't make me laugh, mind your own business.

Hazer could be much better than he is now and the insignificant minutes he gets in BSL don't matter to me. Players like Hazer can compete with the best, but first, they themselves must want it. He made a striking decision by going to Fenerbahce. In my opinion, it would have been better for him to play with higher responsibility at Besiktas for one more year, but he made this decision. If you make this decision, then you will have to live up to it in the Euroleague. Hazer is indeed a talented player, but not in this manner. If players are not stars, they are not irreplaceable in the NT; if they are inadequate, they can be replaced.

[Levenspiel]

I agree that Sehmus is extremely useful player for national team an proved it. I would take Sehmus over any player like Ozdemiroglu, Tuncer, Mahmutoglu etc. Some players even if having mediocre season with its team still make impact in national team and might give contribution. We cannot lose players like Sehmus. Korkmaz also mediocre season and should we take him out of national team? National team is another strory and team performance is not only criteria.

everyone above Tuncer. even Mehmet Yagmur. The guy kills my nerves with his lax attitude. This is NT. No place for primadonnas like him.

Seyhmus is the opposite, gives his best on the court. IIRC, he came out of nowhere from a little town in Urfa or somewhere like that, which alone indicates the gem in him. He has lots of shortcomings for the EL level, and that's why his minutes were limited. Still, he got to show what he could do, but disappeared later on, in parallel with Mr. Itoudis's totally confused mental state. You guys will see it better, but to me, he lacks a few fundamental skills, such as dribbling, finishing around the rim etc., the things which the coaches should be able to teach.

[Ibo]

Do you guys think ozdemiroglu, Yilmaz and kabaca are going to get +10 minutes in EL next season? I really hope sadik is going to be 1 of the 2 pf's on the roster, personally I also think Yilmaz and ozdemiroglu could potentially get a niche role under erdem can. It's going to be exciting to see this much talented Turkish players on our 2 EL teams as bitim,sanli and osmani are also getting linked with Fenerbahce. (Also really like the idea of hazer going to bursa in a swap deal it would be amazing for both) What do you guys think?

[Toruko]

Do you guys think ozdemiroglu, Yilmaz and kabaca are going to get +10 minutes in EL next season? I really hope sadik is going to be 1 of the 2 pf's on the roster, personally I also think Yilmaz and ozdemiroglu could potentially get a niche role under erdem can. It's going to be exciting to see this much talented Turkish players on our 2 EL teams as bitim,sanli and osmani are also getting linked with Fenerbahce. (Also really like the idea of hazer going to bursa in a swap deal it would be amazing for both) What do you guys think?

Erdem Can made the impression that he likes to get the max out of all his players but Efes possibilities are different than Ankaras. I am pretty optimistic about the usage of Kabaca in the EL and Yilmaz also can contribute well in terms of defending, rebounding and doing other little things but to get a serious role he has to increase his 3 point percentage.

Ozdemiroglu is according to my perspective not a EL talent. He will most likely get a similar role like Balbay. I would have preferred Kenan Sipahi tbh.

[Camoka]

Wilbekin - Sipahi - Ozdemiroglu
Korkmaz - Hazer
Osman - Bitim
Osmani - Kabaca - Buyuktuncel
Sengun - Sanlı

I think it is the best possible roster for qualification tournament. I would take Wilbekin over Larkin. Larkin is away from his prime. He hesitates to shot 3pt and it affects his all game. Also Wilbekin can give more on defence. Yılmaz can be an option. But I think Hazer and Bitim deserve to be on roster more than him. Yurtseven's situation is not clear. Ataman waits an apologize from him and as a Turk, I wait too. But anyway, taking three centers is not optimal and I take Sanlı over him at this moment. Buyuktuncel needs time and he is not ready. His performance in u19 tournament will be important but he can play 3,4 and 5. He can be 12th player on roster. Lastly, Osmani fits better in starting 5 than Kabaca. He has size and better on defence. Sengun, Kabaca big duo would be problem on defence.

[Toruko]

Wilbekin - Sipahi - Ozdemiroglu
Korkmaz - Hazer
Osman - Bitim
Osmani - Kabaca - Buyuktuncel
Sengun - Sanlı

I think it is the best possible roster for qualification tournament. I would take Wilbekin over Larkin. Larkin is away from his prime. He hesitates to shot 3pt and it affects his all game. Also Wilbekin can give more on defence. Yılmaz can be an option. But I think Hazer and Bitim deserve to be on roster more than him. Yurtseven's situation is not clear. Ataman waits an apologize from him and as a Turk, I wait too. But anyway, taking three centers is not optimal and I take Sanlı over him at this moment. Buyuktuncel needs time and he is not ready. His performance in u19 tournament will be important but he can play 3,4 and 5. He can be 12th player on roster. Lastly, Osmani fits better in starting 5 than Kabaca. He has size and better on defence. Sengun, Kabaca big duo would be problem on defence.

Its better like this

Sipahi - Ozdemiroglu
Wilbekin - Bitim
Osman - Korkmaz - Yilmaz
Kabaca - Buyuktuncel
Sengun - Yurtseven - Sanli

If you have Sipahi - Wilbekin - Osman in the backcourt Kabaca and Sengun are not a problem.

[Camoka]

Ataman stated that all players will be included in the camp roster. It seems like Yurtseven will also be in. It gonna be 21 mans camp roster and it will be announced tomorrow.

[Toruko]

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The extended 21 man roster for the FIBA Olympic pre-qualifying tournament. As expected no Melih Mahmutoglu and no Bugrahan Tuncer anymore. We are going with Kenan Sipahi.

Omer Yurtseven was called as expected but we can never be sure of him. Even if he comes he can leave the camp without saying anything. If something like this happens again we really should give up on him.

Additionally, it is a good sign for Buyuktuncel to be summoned. The only absentee due to injury seems to be Adem Bona.

[slice me nice]

Highly logical choices, and it's also extremely pleasing that Tuncer and Mahmutoglu are not included in the team. I have only one criticism, or rather a wish. I argue that in the NT's extended roster, a spot should be reserved for players who have shown improvement during the season and whose development is linear even if those players play in lower league. This season, that player is Goktug Bas. I believe that players in the TBL should know that they are being watched and that they should earn the reward of being called up to the NT by their hard work. This doesn't mean that these types of players are at the national team level, this decision will only allow players who have proven themselves at a lower level to train with NBA and BSL players for a month, learn from them, and maintain their self-motivation. Hardworking players who remain true to their talents need to be supported at some point. There won't be much of a difference between calling up 21 players and 22 players. These players won't find a place in the final roster anyway. The greatest benefits in this story will be training at a higher level and starting the season motivated and fresh.

TBF has to try every possible way to gain players. Victory doesn't come solely through systems built around star players. The complementary pieces also need to be adapted to the system in various ways. What I've explained is just one of those ways. If what I've said is implemented, it will definitely benefit the NT.

[Toruko]

Our shooting guard Onuralpas Bitimas signed a two way contract with the Chicago Bulls. I dont know what to think about this but the Chicago fans seem to be really hyped about him.

[slice me nice]

Bitim was the most spectacular player among all Turkish prospects and remains my favorite player. With his impressive performances in youth level, he promised extraordinary things and was immediately and naturally labeled as an NBA prospect. It would have been great if, like other top-level prospects of his generation, he had already proven himself in the NBA or Euroleague, but he focused solely on active basketball, especially mentally, with Bursaspor in only last two years. To make up for lost time, he had to take a risk and ended up signing with the Bulls, skipping several steps at once. Whether it will be worth it, we will see. He has reached a significant momentum in his career. Despite being on the verge of disappearing, he somehow held onto basketball and, more importantly, showed signs of becoming the player he could be while playing U-level basketball. However, in general, it's not very likely that he will make it to the main roster in the Bulls and have a permanent spot in the NBA. Even between Eurocup and Euroleague, there is a considerable level gap, and for a player who is not attempting to compete at the highest level in Europe while also not knowing how he will contribute in an environment where his shot volume may decrease naturally raises a lot of question marks about whether he will succeed in the NBA. But, as I said, Bitim always saw himself as NBA material and wanted to try his luck at the first opportunity.

Now, at the age of 24, if he wants to become an NBA player, he doesn't have time to waste. It's a serious challenge, and if he is given a chance during the year, I believe and hope he won't miss the opportunity with his skill set that can adapt to the NBA tempo. Whether this opportunity comes through training performance or G-League performance is still uncertain, as some unexpected developments, including injuries, will need to happen for him to get playing time initially.

[Camoka]

Guys, do you know anything for our NBA players and Larkin or Wilbekin? When do they participate training camp?

[Toruko]

Guys, do you know anything for our NBA players and Larkin or Wilbekin? When do they participate training camp?

The NBA players should join at the beginning of August. Larkin or Wilbekin will probably join when they feel to do it.