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  • #46
    Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
    I believe that the addition of Biberovic to the NT will have a more significant positive impact on the court than anticipated. At this point, we lack a highly performing versatile shooter who can excel at the top level. Therefore, I expect Biberovic to provide a clear positive contribution especially in the upcoming two games and beyond. Setting aside shooters like Mahmutoglu whose expiration date has passed, Biberovic appears to be the player that the sets can be played on, thus easing the team's on-court parcelization. Particularly in the next two games, a potentially high-performing Biberovic could unexpectedly become an integral part of the team in the following period.

    Addedly, Biberovic is a contender to become a serious Euroleague player, and especially with his performance this season, he is beginning to show promise for the future once again after that time he came into prominence as a high level prospect. However, I still believe that spending a season in a lower-tier team where he would take on more responsibility in offense and engage in more actions would be necessary for his career to progress more solidly. Although he has a role in the current Fenerbahce roster, he does not have enough opportunity to solve problems on the court. I believe that in a system where he would be the main actor in offense, he would thrive. While some players' performances do not necessarily increase in proportion to the minutes they play, I believe the opposite will happen with Biberovic, and he will evolve into a more scorer and effective player in more substantial playing time. In a scenerio that Biberovic having a season with let's say Karsiyaka, could elevate his game to a whole new level. Since he is currently a player whose offensive boundaries are sharply defined, experiencing a more relaxed atmosphere where he can break out of those boundaries will provide him with valuable experience that will contribute to his progress in the Euroleague in the future.
    As expected from my side, Biberovic had a significant impact in the two games. While he didn't display a complete offensive performance like in the Italy game, he proved to be a reliable hand in critical moments with his game-winning shot in the Iceland game. At this point, Biberovic is shaping up to be an important player for the team. With each passing day, he matures his game, and we see a much more wise and relaxed Biberovic on the court. Being able to deliver when needed is a crucial trait for a player, and as seen in the two games with the NT, Biberovic has the potential to rise above his current responsibilities at Fenerbahce. With a higher proportion of offense to acquire, I expect him to become national team's most important perimeter player in the next few seasons. However, to achieve this, he may need to take a step back for a season and then come back stronger at the Euroleague level. While it may not be feasible given the current circumstances at Fenerbahce, I see this career path as a necessity for Biberovic to reach his maximum potential, in addition to his hard work and talent.
    Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.
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    • #47
      Onuralp's debut for Chicago was pretty good not because of his stats but because he played some good minutes and also was part of the roster in some of the most important moments of the team in the 4th and in OT. This shows that the coach trusted him and gave him an opportunity. Let's hope that he has a fruitful end of the season.
      Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa yaşa;
      Adın yazılacak mücevher taşa.

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      • #48
        It is really good to see Onuralp getting meaningful minutes. He makes 3pt shoots with high percentage. It really important for us. Also, he plays really good defence against NBA athleticism. Also, Biberovic took a new step and become a totally different player. Those guys are shooters with a good defence for Alperen's team. Alperen seems less dominant on the second half of the season. But he showed us that he can reach Allstar level. I think this offseason without national duty, it is a good chance for him. He needs to develop and be a consistent Allstar player. Cedi also having a decent season. Lets look whether he can be a role player of a winning team at least three or four seasons more. From the negative side, Yurtseven and Furkan will probably come back to Euro. I thought that Yurtseven might be a good back up center but he could not reach the level that he reached with Miami. For Furkan, I think he lost his confidence but I like his physical shape. I think he is better now than the last couple years.

        For the prospects, Adem probably will be drafted this year. I like him and he will be better in NBA with better playmakers. I hope he will get chance to play. On the other hand, Buyuktuncel is getting less chance, he looks like he has zero tools on the court except a big body but it is his first season. He can be better on the next one.

        I really like both Efes prospects, Tunca and Demirel. Efes is already a shit this season and probably will be next season too. It may be good opportunity for these guys.

        If Alperen will be a real Allstar next season. We can be a contender for a medal for 2025 EuroBasket with Osman, Korkmaz, Bitim, Bona, Yurtseven, Biberovic. And possibly additions with Buyuktuncel, Osmani, Sipahi, Tunca, Konan, Demirel.

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        • #49
          To resume from the point I stopped there are reasons to be happy this season. Ercan Osmani and Tarik Biberovic have evolved to serious EL rotation players. Osmani needs to work on his body and defense a bit more but he has everything to be a solid EL player. He avoided to deal with the ball in the last couple games. He had to know his limits.

          Tarik Biberovic on the other hand had a surprising rise and I dont even mean his prolific outside shot which he can create on a high level. His craftiness is increasing too. He can keep his composure and read the right plays and even though not enough he goes to the rim with good ball handling skills for his position.

          I always saw more upside in him than Bogdanovic. Off course he is not even close to his ability to create for himself and others but with the right step he will be on of the best Small Forwards in Europe. I even see the capacity of becoming a scoring guard.

          Onuralp Bitim shows also great flashes of defense in the NBA. He is a very solid shooter as well. With Bona including we really could win a medal 2025 in the Eurobasket.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Toruko View Post
            Onuralp Bitim shows also great flashes of defense in the NBA. He is a very solid shooter as well. With Bona including we really could win a medal 2025 in the Eurobasket.
            Bitim's role is not entirely established in the NBA. But off course the fact that he's in NBA is nice alone and Tarik has been playing well recently. Jasikevicius will put him the right path for further development. As well as off course Sengun's smooth development are nice compliments so far.

            I don't see a medal, but I see an interesting team. Bona's and Berke's impact in EB is absolutely mysterious ATM. From not to little impact to decent role players I would say. Hard to judge.

            I would say Turkey has a guy to go in Sengun and he will show his face whenever he can be absolutely deadly in FIBA or not, overall good rotation in 5-2 positions, but lacking true guards who can be highly creative and carry NT. Who will play at 1?
            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
            Buzelis, Lelevicius
            Murauskas, Sirvydis
            Tubelis, Krivas

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

              Bitim's role is entirely established in the NBA. But off course the fact that he's in NBA is nice alone and Tarik has been playing well recently. Jasikevicius will put him the right path for further development. As well as off course Sengun's smooth development are nice compliments so far.

              I don't see a medal, but I see an interesting team. Bona's and Berke's impact in EB is absolutely mysterious ATM. From not to little impact to decent role players I would say. Hard to judge.

              I would say Turkey has a guy to go in Sengun and he will show his face whenever he can be absolutely deadly in FIBA or not, overall good rotation in 5-2 positions, but lacking true guards who can be highly creative and carry NT. Who will play at 1?
              About Buyuktuncel you are absolutely right. Most likely, he will be no option for 2025 but Bona is totally ready to contribute. The role he has inherited this season with UCLA is a totally different role he will have with the NT. He is a superb defender who will have a sudden impact right away. He will also open up a lob target possibility on the offense as well as a great passing option in the transition offense.

              He will probably foul out after 20 minutes but he will level up the vulnerable Turkish defense for sure. Thats what we need. Player with a high motor like him is gold for us and he has a NBA ready body.

              Sengun as a go to guy is not enough, a big cant change FIBA games by himself. You need a perimeter guy with killer instinct. We expected Furkan Korkmaz to be that guy but albeit being very talented he is in a bad shape and has confidence issues. Biberovic on the other hand is on the verge of being a great player. He will fill that role that Korkmaz and Cedi Osman failed to fill.

              The Turkish team is very deep in the 2-3-5 positions. Even Sanli who has found his shape lately will not be able to make it to the team. A team who comes with Korkmaz and Osman from the bench is frightening. 4 position is not that persuading but not the problem like it was in the last 5 years.

              The question mark is will be the team experienced enough to survive do or die games.

              The PG position is truly weak. Kenan Sipahi is the only guy who can contribute on a acceptable level. A very capable defender who makes his team mates better but he cant shoot. They are still trying to make Biberovic available for the NT to use another big name guard as naturalized player. This would change the entire situation but I am against it.

              Even with Sipahi this team can face anyone.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Toruko View Post

                About Buyuktuncel you are absolutely right. Most likely, he will be no option for 2025 but Bona is totally ready to contribute. The role he has inherited this season with UCLA is a totally different role he will have with the NT. He is a superb defender who will have a sudden impact right away. He will also open up a lob target possibility on the offense as well as a great passing option in the transition offense.

                He will probably foul out after 20 minutes but he will level up the vulnerable Turkish defense for sure. Thats what we need. Player with a high motor like him is gold for us and he has a NBA ready body.

                Sengun as a go to guy is not enough, a big cant change FIBA games by himself. You need a perimeter guy with killer instinct. We expected Furkan Korkmaz to be that guy but albeit being very talented he is in a bad shape and has confidence issues. Biberovic on the other hand is on the verge of being a great player. He will fill that role that Korkmaz and Cedi Osman failed to fill.

                The Turkish team is very deep in the 2-3-5 positions. Even Sanli who has found his shape lately will not be able to make it to the team. A team who comes with Korkmaz and Osman from the bench is frightening. 4 position is not that persuading but not the problem like it was in the last 5 years.

                The question mark is will be the team experienced enough to survive do or die games.

                The PG position is truly weak. Kenan Sipahi is the only guy who can contribute on a acceptable level. A very capable defender who makes his team mates better but he cant shoot. They are still trying to make Biberovic available for the NT to use another big name guard as naturalized player. This would change the entire situation but I am against it.

                Even with Sipahi this team can face anyone.
                Without elite PG I don't see how Turkey can really compete in 2025 for medals. Not objectively. Off course, some kind of big time naturalization can change that. But it's not nice to add random Americans and that rarely works.
                LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                Buzelis, Lelevicius
                Murauskas, Sirvydis
                Tubelis, Krivas

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

                  Without elite PG I don't see how Turkey can really compete in 2025 for medals. Not objectively. Off course, some kind of big time naturalization can change that. But it's not nice to add random Americans and that rarely works.
                  Lets wait and see. I am really high on the Eurobasket 2025.

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                  • #54
                    Oh, and I hope not that kind of lob threat of Bona coming for you



                    BTW, 2025 will be harder to win than 2022. France will stronger, Germany probably slightly stronger with even better Franz, Latvia might be super strong, Lithuania will be stronger, Spain likely stronger (it's funny they won 2022, but I think they will have better team). In other words, FIBA and FIBA Europe is sensationally competitive now.
                    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                    Buzelis, Lelevicius
                    Murauskas, Sirvydis
                    Tubelis, Krivas

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                    • #55
                      Oh, and I hope not that kind of lob threat of Bona coming for you
                      Good pick and roll defense but the Turkish NT wont have such decrepit guards like UCLA.

                      BTW, 2025 will be harder to win than 2022. France will stronger, Germany probably slightly stronger with even better Franz, Latvia might be super strong, Lithuania will be stronger, Spain likely stronger (it's funny they won 2022, but I think they will have better team). In other words, FIBA and FIBA Europe is sensationally competitive now.
                      Lets first see who is on board and whos not but yeah it should be fun.

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                      • #56
                        According to Ataman Shane Larkin will be our naturalized player in the Eurobasket 2025. Since he really wants to achieve something big with the Turkish NT I support him but I also expect him to be in great shape and ready to work from day one.

                        Undoubtedly, we will be much stronger than 2022.

                        Shane Larkin ve Elijah Bryannt'ın podcast programına katılan Ergin Ataman, Larkin'in 2025'te Milli Takımda oynayacağını söyledi.

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                        • #57
                          This is the team I expect to see in Eurobasket 2025. I am so hyped rn hahaha

                          Shane Larkin, Kenan Sipahi (Emre Melih Tunca)
                          Furkan Korkmaz, Onuralp Bitim
                          Tarik Biberovic, Cedi Osman
                          Alperen Sengun, Ercan Osmani, Berke Buyuktuncel
                          Adem Bona, Omer Faruk Yurtseven​

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                          • #58
                            Weak center position the way you put it, but off course Sengun will play the 5. But the start of the season raises the question whenever he's developing into a star surprisingly. https://x.com/BricksCenter/status/1852157451631759840

                            There's no truly high level 4, probably the weakest position.

                            On other hand, promising backcourt. I specially treat highly Biberovic, he's the real deal talent for Turkey at swingman after real long time. He's better than Korkmaz, Osman. He has real hand and real feel for the game. IDK if Larkin can lead the team. Previously struggled and he's not getting any younger so I wouldn't be overly optimistic.

                            So far Korkmaz, Osman didn't show anything special in EL and Bitim is at best from the same tier, but obviously it's pretty deep an quality backcourt.

                            To put it short, I doubt this team has a true lead players. It's a question whenever Sengun can be volume scorer or just solid as many NBA bigs and I don't really see true lead guard. I actually would lean towards treating Biberovic as the best perimeter player.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • #59
                              Weak center position the way you put it, but off course Sengun will play the 5. But the start of the season raises the question whenever he's developing into a star surprisingly. https://x.com/BricksCenter/status/1852157451631759840
                              Sure he will play 5 a certain time, then he will switch to 4 and we will run Bona on 5 since he is not able to play anything else and it depends on what you compare. Its weak in comparison to Serbia or France but the rest I dont think so.

                              There's no truly high level 4, probably the weakest position.
                              There is a Euroleague starting player who starts for a playoff team who additionally stretch the floor, grab rebounds, who does not need the ball to be effective. This is enough.

                              On other hand, promising backcourt. I specially treat highly Biberovic, he's the real deal talent for Turkey at swingman after real long time.
                              Biberovic is surely the best among them rn but not the guy with the highest ceiling. Its still Korkmaz.

                              IDK if Larkin can lead the team.
                              I know it, as long as he is ready he is one of the best play maker in Europe.

                              So far Korkmaz, Osman didn't show anything special in EL and Bitim is at best from the same tier, but obviously it's pretty deep an quality backcourt.
                              Osman is surely nothing special but can be very effective as the glue guy who does a bit of everything but yeah he looks bad. Bitim is solid for the bench. Behold Korkmaz! Korkmaz is a special scorer. He scored easily 10 points in his first game without being ready.

                              All of them play for playoff or Final Four teams in starting positions. They just need to find rhythm thats all.

                              To put it short, I doubt this team has a true lead players. It's a question whenever Sengun can be volume scorer or just solid as many NBA bigs and I don't really see true lead guard. I actually would lean towards treating Biberovic as the best perimeter player.
                              Larkin is more than enough. We have a leading perimeter player, we have a star center, we have one of the best shooters in Europe we have a very talented scorer with Korkmaz, we have a defensive anchor with Bona. We have a very good offensive team but the defense will always be a trade off.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Toruko View Post
                                This is the team I expect to see in Eurobasket 2025. I am so hyped rn hahaha

                                Shane Larkin, Kenan Sipahi (Emre Melih Tunca)
                                Furkan Korkmaz, Onuralp Bitim
                                Tarik Biberovic, Cedi Osman
                                Alperen Sengun, Ercan Osmani, Berke Buyuktuncel
                                Adem Bona, Omer Faruk Yurtseven​

                                don’t think it’s possible to use both Larkin and Biberovic as they share the naturalised status.
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