BBL (Baltic Basketball League) Official Thread 2007/2008

[rusher]

Neptunas shot 58 ft's while Valmiera 39. In Valmiera host won by 15 points but Neptunas shot 12 more ft's (32:20) so it could be difference in style
Vairogs scored 33 points including long 2point buzzer-beater to win the game

OK, I didn't really want to write in the same manner as these Valmiera fans who always blame referees but I guess I did not even thinking whether the numbers and facts are true. It's like a tradition there, in Valmiera, to praise the team and blame referees in every situation. There was one funny guy last year who wrote for their home page, it was interesting to read that after every defeat Valmiera had there was the same thing written "Referees killed the game", "Referees support the big budget club" - when they lost to Barons or ASK or "Referees are in favor of amateurs'' when they lost to "Lauvas", it was like a conspiracy theory and every a smalest change in a schedule also was like "BBL/LBL don't like Valmiera, they like bigger budget clubs, how much did they pay to LBL/BBL to get rid of Valmiera". The best part was though at the end of the season when in the quarter finals of LBL Valmiera lost to semi-professional team "Lauvas" and then this guy finally understood that maybe referees aren't the only ones to blame. This year they write much less bull in their page.

[LuDux]

Say it to Barons and Ventspils fans after their games against Siauliai at home when both teams had to win the games comfortably and were leading by +7 to +10 but lost in the last seconds with -1. Some said after that game that Latvian referees help everybody except Latvian clubs. Of course, Estonians have the right to say otherwise after such a game like Barons- Kalev.

I sometimes get same feeling about Lithuanian referees

I can't say bad things about Estonian referees, the worst ones are in Lithuania as Latvians think (not about the professionalism of them but somehow playing in Klaipeda or Siauliai you get either unexplainable offensive fouls (this year Siaulia at home vs Valmiera) or you shoot 15 free throws when your opposition sth like 40 (some years ago important overtime game in Klaipeda vs Valmiera when at the end Valmiera won it and Vairogs scored I think little over 40 or sth in the process) .

Neptunas shot 58 ft's while Valmiera 39. In Valmiera host won by 15 points but Neptunas shot 12 more ft's (32:20) so it could be difference in style
Vairogs scored 33 points including long 2point buzzer-beater to win the game

[sashikas]

Žalgiris - Ventspils game should be broadcasted in 40 minutes here

[rusher]

The problem in BBL for Estonian teams, is that while Estonian referees try to whistle honestly (although sometimes their level is not that good) than Latvian and Lithuanian referees are way more likely to whistle the way their own countrymen want.

Say it to Barons and Ventspils fans after their games against Siauliai at home when both teams had to win the games comfortably and were leading by +7 to +10 but lost in the last seconds with -1. Some said after that game that Latvian referees help everybody except Latvian clubs. Of course, Estonians have the right to say otherwise after such a game like Barons- Kalev.

I can't say bad things about Estonian referees, the worst ones are in Lithuania as Latvians think (not about the professionalism of them but somehow playing in Klaipeda or Siauliai you get either unexplainable offensive fouls (this year Siaulia at home vs Valmiera) or you shoot 15 free throws when your opposition sth like 40 (some years ago important overtime game in Klaipeda vs Valmiera when at the end Valmiera won it and Vairogs scored I think little over 40 or sth in the process) .

Last year Estonian referee whistled a very questionable foul against best Estonian player Martin Muursepp in last seconds Rock-Panevezhys game, when Rock was leading by one in the most critical game of the season. Because of this honest whistling Rock was out of the playoffs. Never seen or heard such thing happened in Latvia/Lithuania with their referees.

Barons, Ventspils last home games vs Siauliai as I said.

It's the same with police. Several foreigners have told me, that they've had no problem bribing Latvian and Lithuanian police for 10-20 euros, but Estonian police is tough like Germany's and some got into big trouble because of bribery. and it was big surprise, cause they thought, coming from south, that all Baltic countries are similar. Well they're not.

worldaudit.org shows, while Estonia is quite not corruptionfree yet, it's way ahead of southern neighbours.

Well, you have very honest and corruption free blood brothers and neighbors like Finland as an example to keep on the right track

[Richey666]

Estonian sport channel ''Kalev Sport'' will show live Rock - Rytas game on saturday.

not live, recorded i am afraid. game starts 4pm, says BBL.net , Kalev Sport shows it 7 pm.

[Demarr]

Estonian sport channel ''Kalev Sport'' will show live Rock - Rytas game on saturday.

[Demarr]

The problem in BBL for Estonian teams, is that while Estonian referees try to whistle honestly (although sometimes their level is not that good) than Latvian and Lithuanian referees are way more likely to whistle the way their own countrymen want.
Last year Estonian referee whistled a very questionable foul against best Estonian player Martin Muursepp in last seconds Rock-Panevezhys game, when Rock was leading by one in the most critical game of the season. Because of this honest whistling Rock was out of the playoffs. Never seen or heard such thing happened in Latvia/Lithuania with their referees.

It's the same with police. Several foreigners have told me, that they've had no problem bribing Latvian and Lithuanian police for 10-20 euros, but Estonian police is tough like Germany's and some got into big trouble because of bribery. and it was big surprise, cause they thought, coming from south, that all Baltic countries are similar. Well they're not.

worldaudit.org shows, while Estonia is quite not corruptionfree yet, it's way ahead of southern neighbours.

http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm

In my opinion, the police was wrong example. It got nothing to do with the basketball, or does it?

[Richey666]

corrupt referees

The problem in BBL for Estonian teams, is that while Estonian referees try to whistle honestly (although sometimes their level is not that good) than Latvian and Lithuanian referees are way more likely to whistle the way their own countrymen want.
Last year Estonian referee whistled a very questionable foul against best Estonian player Martin Muursepp in last seconds Rock-Panevezhys game, when Rock was leading by one in the most critical game of the season. Because of this honest whistling Rock was out of the playoffs. Never seen or heard such thing happened in Latvia/Lithuania with their referees.

It's the same with police. Several foreigners have told me, that they've had no problem bribing Latvian and Lithuanian police for 10-20 euros, but Estonian police is tough like Germany's and some got into big trouble because of bribery. and it was big surprise, cause they thought, coming from south, that all Baltic countries are similar. Well they're not.

worldaudit.org shows, while Estonia is quite not corruptionfree yet, it's way ahead of southern neighbours.

http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm

[rusher]

Bit offtopic but can any Latvian help me

What is this hall called? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEwcNpywmSo
And this hall too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSreO...ature=related?

Would be very grateful to person who would end my agony by answering this question.

It's the same old Daugavas sporta nams, ASK play there when they can't play in Arena Riga. Before Olympic center Riga (Barons play there when they can't play in Arena, also VEF Riga) and Arena Riga was built, many games of Latvian basketball in Riga were played there.

[rusher]

Kalev lost to Barons 87-88... not going to say anything about the referees as every knows in BBL home team, home referees and more times than not in a close game they do everything to help the home team win, only time it goes differently is with a lucky last sec shot.

Oh shit don't tell me
If there is a game in Estonia or in Lithuania against Siauliai for Latvian teams and we lose it by a small margin everyone here says that home referees are guilty. Ok, maybe and just maybe It's truth in this case too as in others and I agree something should be done about it, anyway Barons as always got themselves into deep shit, they were playing good until some last minutes and then... OK

[Demarr]

http://etvsport.ee/index.php?0&popup=video&id=5051 - everyone can decide, whether there was a foul or not.

[Troll]

Kalev lost to Barons 87-88... not going to say anything about the referees as every knows in BBL home team, home referees and more times than not in a close game they do everything to help the home team win, only time it goes differently is with a lucky last sec shot.

[Demarr]

Zalgiris won 91-90.The score was 90-90 with 2 seconds left,then Reed(?) fouled Popovic who stepped to the line.He made the 1st one and missed 2nd one on purpose.Popo made 6/10 three pointer.Michael Bradley was very good again with 11 points 9 rebounds but got injured in the last quarter,and it seems that its pretty serious.He was helped off the field by his teammates.
I hope this injury is not too serious,we really,really need him now with Eurelijus out and no T.

At the end, Popovic was surrounded by Kangur and Reed and refrees saw foul there. Anyway it was really good game and Kalev started playing very good lately (wins over ASVEL and Panionios, close loss to Zalgiris).

[Troll]

good game
Kalev has rely started playing good lately, i think they should have taken it easy today with Zalgiris and save energy for tuesday vs G.Canaria but hopefully they can handle it. I wonder whay Arbet didnt play... hopefully hes not injured, cause we need him.

[Mayo]

Zalgiris won 91-90.The score was 90-90 with 2 seconds left,then Reed(?) fouled Popovic who stepped to the line.He made the 1st one and missed 2nd one on purpose.Popo made 6/10 three pointer.Michael Bradley was very good again with 11 points 9 rebounds but got injured in the last quarter,and it seems that its pretty serious.He was helped off the field by his teammates.
I hope this injury is not too serious,we really,really need him now with Eurelijus out and no T.