2024 Lithuanian NT

[Straight forward]

Off course, we'll judge after everything. But I can tell you already now that Butkevicius can't slow down small guards. He is constantly in trouble now with fouls and all and never was truly able to stay with agile guards.

To me, I don't see an issue of Jokubaitis, D. Giedraitis, Grigonis/Sirvydis, PF, C line-up. Giedraitis would simply stand in the corner and wait for catch and shoot opportunities. FOA we would have elite perimeter defender which is badly needed against both PR and Italy. Second of all, Grigonis at 3 is not that bad and even Sirvydis surely better than at 2. So our D would actually be better.

Thinking that Butkevicius can provide the same thing that D. Giedraitis provided guarding all those elite EL guards this season is completely naive. Not happening.

[Shawshank]

Then our 2024 roster would make no sense if Giedraitis will play as SG.


We have too manny euroleague wings. Thats why Sirvydis and Grigonis is playing SG

When both of them is more SF. We have broken roster


Nobody is cutting Butkevicius or Ulanovas or not giving minutes to Kuzminskas just to find time for Giedraitis defence.


Coaching stuff is searching ways how to find minutes for all Grigonis,Sirvydis,Butkevicius,Ulanovas,Kuzminskas

You are trying find minutes for D.Giedraitis you seeing it tottaluy diffrently how coaches is seeing.



Coach dont care that Giedraitis is slighty better in defence than Arnas, if after that our entire euroleague wing rotation wont make no sense and would be impossible to rotate them.


When Butkevicius,Ulanovas,Grigonis will more less retire from NT after Olympics thats what will happen naturally.



But for 2024 i summer and having 5 euroleague level wings i get what coaches are doing with roster.And still coaches was forced cut one euroleague wing and how much blame he got for that.

[Straight forward]

You didn't get my idea that Giedraitis wouldn't play as SG. He would stand in the corner. Offensively he would occupy the same role as Butkevicius now. Simply we need him on the court against PR and even Italy. Jokubaitis, Grigonis and Sabonis would initiate offense. You just trying to cover Maksvytis, but it doesn't make sense. There's tons of ways to use Giedraitis defense and not to distrupt offense. Giedraitis is a better shooter and passer and ballhanlder than Butkevicius. So to have such player somewhere in the corner would be more beneficial. He would guard most dangerous perimeter players, probably PG, Jokubaitis would guard SG, and Grigonis/Sirvydis SF.

The worst thing is that Giedraitis could simply be instead of Dimsa who will be DNP in some occasions, but he can't really help against PR.

That's it. You're just covering Maksvytis ass and don't really understand that with this decision Maksvytis is maximally risking to blew Olympic season. Against PR it's one of those games where Giedraitis can be even THE MOST IMPORTANT player. If he shuts down Alvarado, we have a win. If those 2 midgets will start taking down threes and all, it can get really nasty for Lithuania.

[Shawshank]

After writting such nonsense like Giedraitis can be most important players is just ridiculous and once again shown your limited understanding and lost interest to discuss

I saw how Foster 33 to 6 put that Giedraitis and Butkevicius to bed and they couldnt do nothing to average american scorer


Imagine that any of those 2 defensive type players will stop wayyy better scorers than foster in olympic summers is fantasy and not understanding of levels

Same fantasy like Sedekerskis would have stop Doncic in 2021


defensive minded and limited offensive player ale Seibutis or Diaz yes can be useufull in some matchups .But being most important players on same floor when nba and euroleague elite will play ? stop looking like 14 age teenager level with such arguments


I explained how coaches trying to solve puzzle when 5 of top 10 NT players is similair position. But your brain dont get it


all you see your beloved players and ignore why deeper Nt roster puzzle coaching staff trying to make sense of.

[Straight forward]

Dude, sometimes you're such weak poster. Giedraitis literally shut down Foster in 2 first games. Hand down. Foster delivered only in 3rd and 4th games when Giedraitis played less and Trich increased the guards rotation. Foster literally scored most points in those games against others not Giedraitis. So essentially Giedraitis did an amazing job on Foster. If you can't see it, I can't help you. Watch Foster's highs and you'll see he was scoring on others.

Dude, against PR, it will absolutely be the key to stop Alvarado and Waters. This will absolutely be the key moment cause each of them can drop +20 easily and will take around 15 shots. If you think anything but that will be the key against PR, you're clueless. Slowing down them will be absolutely the key. Waters was taking 16 shots per game in WC and Alavarado will be doing the same. Those will be shooting at will.

[Shawshank]

33-6 Giedraitis played 27minutes in game 4 and Rytas won by 1point.

Foster won Finals MVP thats facts what happend.


So keep that fantasy how Giedraitis will stop fiba perimeter stars from nba to same nonsense like Sedekerskis was stopping Doncic



If you cant see why roster with Grigonis,Sirvydis,Butkevicus,Ulanovas,Kuzminskas cant play at SG one sided Giedraitis simply no hope for you to get it .

[Dreamcatcher]

Especially amazing job Giedraitis did in the last Rytas' attack, when Foster scored easy game winner...

[Straight forward]

If you cant see why roster with Grigonis,Sirvydis,Butkevicus,Ulanovas,Kuzminskas cant play at SG one sided Giedraitis simply no hope for you to get it .

You don't get it dude. Maksvytis constructs the roster. He is responsible for NT making Olympics or not. Realize one thing, D. Giedraitis will be needed more against PR than Butkevicius. And lastly your freakin Dimsa is still there and D. Giedraitis is not. Stop this pathetic opologetics of Maksvytis. You showed enough that when it comes to your favorites, you tend to cease critical thinking.

DC, so what? Giedraitis totally shut down Foster in the first 2 games and in the game before that in regular season. So he has like 3 games completely shutting down Forster from 5. And coming back to the first game, Zalgiris had +10 or so with few minutes to go. And then Butkevicius fouled some-one 3 and 1 and shit's started. Trinch let go a win that he had in the pocket and Rytas started to believe they can win finals. If Zalgiris had taken that win, no way the series would be like that.

[Shawshank]

Especially amazing job Giedraitis did in the last Rytas' attack, when Foster scored easy game winner...

thats didnt happen Giedraitis did fantastic job on Foster ask dinosour expert

lkl voters was rednecks giving Foster finals mvp trophy, Giedraitis shut him down and hold uleb scorer to just 33pts

[Dreamcatcher]

DC, so what? Giedraitis totally shut down Foster in the first 2 games and in the game before that in regular season.

You are even lying here. Foster provided in the second half of the second game scoring important points. And you call this "totally shut down". The way you overrate an average player is totally pathetic. That's where you can use the word "totally".

And why do you mean "so what"? If you give props Giedraitis for great defense (even when it's not really so), why you are not being fair when he sucks? In fact Foster dominated Zalgiris in the last 2 games. In fact he was named MVP without questions. In fact match-up against Giedraitis ended good for Foster, because eventually Dovydas didn't stop him and didn't bother him offensively. In fact Giedraitis missed all his 7 three pointers. In fact you overrate Giedraitis' performance in LKL finals simple because you biased like usually.

[Straight forward]

You are even lying here. Foster provided in the second half of the second game scoring important points. And you call this "totally shut down". The way you overrate an average player is totally pathetic. That's where you can use the word "totally".

And why do you mean "so what"? If you give props Giedraitis for great defense (even when it's not really so), why you are not being fair when he sucks? In fact Foster dominated Zalgiris in the last 2 games. In fact he was named MVP without questions. In fact match-up against Giedraitis ended good for Foster, because eventually Dovydas didn't stop him and didn't bother him offensively. In fact Giedraitis missed all his 7 three pointers. In fact you overrate Giedraitis' performance in LKL finals simple because you biased like usually.

He kept foster with 8, 5, 6 efficiency games (first 3 of recent 5 games). Foster got it going against him in last 2 games even after good D and that's what happens with great ISO players. Good defense, but better offense. You totally miss that even Walkup and Grant wouldn't do better. No-one would from Europe. Great players would harm you inevitably. But when you shut down (to me it's total shut down when you keep a leader with 8-5eff per game) such player 3 times out of 5 games, it's amazing. And even in those 2 games as I said, Giedraitis played good D except that last key moment against Foster and 60-70% of his points came in the moments when others guarded him. Giedraitis is an elite defender. If you don't get, I have nothing to discuss with you. To deny that Giedraitis is elite defender (by no means that makes him average player, average players don't have any elite skills). If you think that D end means nothing, you're wrong. Any sensible coach would love to have such pieces coming off the bench. That's why Trinch loves him. Just Trinch screwed it himself when he let go first game. That screwed entire series for him. Giedraitis did sensational job to neutralize Rytas by far the best player in first 2 games. Can't ask more than that. And that Butkevicius gives Rytas 4 points in one possession with stupid foul and somehow Zalgiris waists 10 points because they believed they had a win. And that's on coach cause he let players to think so. Trinch is a very good coach, but that was the key moment in the series.

And lastly, whatever Giedraitis level is, there's zero doubt he's absolutely the best option to guard either Alvarado or Waters. If it's not obvious to anyone, that person has issues. Cause Giedraitis is by far the best perimeter defender in the country. That doesn't mean that he would shut down Foster or freakin Punter 5 times of 5 times (or that he would leave Alvarado/Waters scoreless). But when he shuts down Foster 3 times out of 5 (or call it slowing down, whatever you like), it's an amazing job. Literally there's no reason other than injury (if it does exists) for him not to be in the NT. And Lithuania is risking a lot going against both PR and Italy without him. As NT fan I want us to have the best chance to play the best defense possible. It's not about completely shutting some-one down, like keeping one scoreless, it's about opportunity to have our best option and chance to win the game.

If some-ones here questioning Giedraitis D, they didn't see a shit this season All I know it's about SS partiality towards Maksvytis, he tries to cover his shit and justify any stupid decision he makes, and it's about DC's partiality towards Rytas and Foster. End of the story. You homer fans really should get better than that. It's a national team thread, and it's about this TEAM. What's best for it. It's not about any single individual (be it coach or player), always about what's the best for the TEAM. Learn it.

[zalias]

good offense will always beat good defense. no need to call giedraitis a bad defender only because in 2 out 5 games foster looked good

[Dreamcatcher]

If it's about NT then Maksvytis said that Giedraitis and Normantas were not invited because of injuries. Did he lie? Because otherwise you are fool, don't you think so? What would he lie? I know that Normantas played in the finals with pain. Even if he played well why would he go to camp if he's not healthy? Don't you think it's stupid to say that Giedraitis has some injury issues if it's not true?

And you keep overrating Dovydas' defense in finals. I like Foster but he's not elite player in Europe. And in fact Giedraitis didn't stop him in second half of LKL finals. In fact he sucked in the last Rytas' posession where he could grab a win.

[Shawshank]

good offense will always beat good defense. no need to call giedraitis a bad defender only because in 2 out 5 games foster looked good

Giedraitis is good defender yes, thats brings very little offensively. Thats where with him is dilema how much can coach play him at SG

Basketball 50% offence and 50% defence


Taking offence+defence main Rytas SG Foster clearly outplayed main zalgiris SG Giedraitis in lkl finals (according to played minutes)


We cant say look Foster wasnt good offensively in some games and ignore that Giedraitis sucked offensively in 3 of 4 games in lkl finals.

If Giedraitis plays so much at SG zalgiris needed offence from SG position too to win the series


Giedraitis is 15min one sided good defensive specialist but he isnt main 25min SG and lkl finals shown why

[Straight forward]

SS, the key is to slow down most dangerous opponents guards. No- one cares how much points Giedraitis will score if he will do this. He can stand in the corner all game long as long as he's dealing with best opposition guard. That alone is game changer. Think before you write. NT has more than enough offensive players.