get normantas off the court, he clooks clueless
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Unfornately hapening what i was affraid off
Thats win versus Usa was mistake and history is repeating
I really love this underdog 2023 NT,but that was real blunder and now only miracle can save us
Serbs is feeling blood when by miracle they dont need to play Usa in 1/4Last edited by Shawshank; 09-05-2023, 09:55 AM.
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I didn't expect that Serbia will look that good and that we will be that gassed and unprepared for 4finals. That game against USA took too much emotionally it seems. But Serbia's defense was top notch.
One thing is to lose after good fight, other not to stand a chance and to be swept. After this, IMO, Maksvytis position should be questioned. We know what chaos came after Adomaitis decline in similar situation so probably Makvytis should stay, but however you watch Maksvytis wasn't able to prepare NT for the knock out stage, both 22 and 23. This is not justifiable loss and Maksvytis may just announce the retirement. It wouldn't be surprise (after the tournament).
IMO, Maksvytis still made a mistake not including one from Marciulionis/Giedraitis to the roster and letting Tubelis go. We seen against Serbia how important to have physical and agile defenders. IMO, both Marciulionis/Giedraitis > Dimsa/Normantas in perimiter defense. While Maldunas basically didn't play any role in the tournament and we seen that we stand no chance against disciplined, strong teams with two turtle slow centers. When it comes to roster's selection, lack of perimeter D/toughness and specially the lack of something mobile at 5 was big problem. At the end it basically was crucial cause JV and D-Mo was totally disgraced at D tonight. Maksvytis also didn't experiment with Sedekerskis enough after the game against Montenegro. He had to put Sedekerskis at 5 against Petrusev. With all respect JV should be history already. I'm OK with him playing 10-12mpg in 2024, but that's the only logical solution. Sabonis and Tubelis presence is a must.
On the positive note, Jokubaitis is emerging. He wasn't yet able to consistently lead NT big time, but he's getting there and for him it was still very positive tournament. Brazdeikis and Sedekerskis are good long term pieces. Brazdeikis improved decision making and shot selection. While Tadas showed that he's very valuable athletic dirty worker.Last edited by Straight forward; 09-05-2023, 10:46 AM.LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
After seeing all that media stuff
My prediction lithuanians will have by far worst shooting game under 30% from long range in 1/4
Lithuanians in 1/4 shooting 3pointers 9 from 28
I know Lithuanian mentally well.
It was worst thing for this average roster players from underdog team becoming favourites in people eyes after Usa game
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its hard, but you can still win games shooting 30% from 3 if you play defense. lithuania hasnt been a good defensive tream since 2015, in fact they have been horrible. you cant allow teams to consistently score 90-100 points every game when you dont have an offensive juggernaut like luka to match that. hopefully lithuania's coaching staff puts an emphasis on that in the future and maybe selects a few defensive minded players to the national team, but of course they didnt have much of a choice this year.
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Originally posted by Svajunas View PostI hate that we Are so used to being loosers and we cant enjoy these wins
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Once I heard that Maksvytis going with JV and D-Mo as main centers, I knew we will be in trouble one way or another. It's literally impossible with these 2 to seriously fight for the medals. USA didn't even try to utilize our weak spot. Once we met European talented powerhouse with normal scouting (great scouting, let's face it), we were in trouble. Serbia just made a joke of our p'n'r defense. So that was expected.
But to me the most disappointing thing was how Normantas (specially) and even Dimsa didn't stand a chance tonight against Serbian guards. These two were taken for defensive reasons. They had to boost our perimeter D, but they were so far away from that. They looked slow and incapable. They were washed and schooled. I understand Kariniauskas was taken with idea what he will facilitate, and he provided some of that, but Normantas and Dimsa really didn't bring what was expected defensively.
So when you have both inside and outside D as disappointment, you stand no chance.
Another thing. Jokubaitis will still get stronger in 2-3 years getting closer to his prime, but with contemporary BB your main PG can't play 26-28mpg. More like 23-24mpg. The game is so intense. And you need to have a real deal back-up. Not some kind of average Karinaiuskas, Zemaitis or whatever, but a player who can legitimately contribute. Serbia tonight had that broad guard rotation enough, we didn't. Lekavicius can give as another solid 24 campaign hopefully, I think he even might be better than in 22, but that's probably his last tournament. Solid back-up is a must. Be it Marciulionis or Jakucionis, or any other potential stud, but that's a must cause times when Kalnietis could play 34mpg is over. The pace and intensity is different.
LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Today we saw current level of Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis when they faced real world class prepared defence
They still not ready lead NT to playoofs wins facing top 5 NTs. Both struggled beating good serbian defenders.
In such 1/4 playoofs matchups backups wont help,its main guards job to deliver in these games like Bogdanovich did for Serbia
Looking at Italy play now lithuanians looking like fools more and more
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Originally posted by Shawshank View PostToday we saw current level of Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis when they faced real world class prepared defence
They still not ready lead NT to playoofs wins facing top 5 NTs. Both struggled beating good serbian defenders.
In such 1/4 playoofs matchups backups wont help,its main guards job to deliver in these games like Bogdanovich did for Serbia
Look at Italy play now lithuanians looking like foolsLTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Jokubaitis scores half point in trash minutes and was loosing or close to lose multiple balls to pesky serbians defenders in real minutes.
Never felt Rokas was controling team it was very chaotic
Rokas made steps forward compare to 2022,but still need more time to be real floor general , when entire nation and his teammates would feel safe when ball in his hands.
Brazdeikis tried to bully huge serbians bodies with tunel vision and end up usually collidaing with 2 serbians inside and end up with bad shots
Grigonis was missed badly today offensively
I felt team gave so much emotionally and physically to hold off american attack in 3-4querters and 36 hours was not enough to recover firstly emotionally from such beautiful and stupid winLast edited by Shawshank; 09-05-2023, 02:56 PM.
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Originally posted by zalias View Postget normantas off the court, he clooks clueless
1. Why didn't Eimantas Bendžius play at all today? Was he hurt?
2. Why did Valančiūnas only get 18:34 of court time? His numbers were very decent today especially when compared to those of Donatas Motiejūnas who (among many) had a dreadful game.
Last edited by Hepcat; 09-05-2023, 04:05 PM.
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Well, Maksvytis admitted that it was mistake to go after a win against USA generally. I guess sometimes you just have to simply weight your capabilities. Maksvytis could simply tank. Give plenty of time to Sirvydis, Maldunas, Kariniauskas. That's an interesting thought. I guess next time in similar situation will do differently. Expecting to beat huge USA, and huge Serbia was obviously too much. And 24 minutes for Jokubaitis against Edwards lock down D was also too much as an example. When I saw that first lazy pass by Jokubaitis and turnover at the very start of the game I knew we are in trouble. Obviously we were washed and far from our best.
DC, if Slovenia wins against Canada, then reaching semifinals doesn't guarantee Olympic ticket. There would be three Euro teams - Serbia, Germany (most likely) and Slovenia. You can be left 4th, without medal and without ticket. If Canada wins, then yes.
I only don't get one thing. Sedekerskis was working his ass off against USA with huge 11/11 double double for 23mpg. Then he hustles big time against Serbia for 26 minutes drops 14pts, 9rbs and 21eff. If he could do it, why other guys couldn't? It only shows that this athletic and slowly coming to his prime dude is different. And that's the breed that we need. Athletic, strong, agile dude. No doubt the best athlete on our team. It seemed like only Sedekerskis was truly ready to fight and match the intensity that Serbians offered. I bet healthy Tubelis with his athleticism could also help us here with his intensity. Maybe not exactly now, but we really need to expand our athleticism in the nearest future. The next addition of 2002 guys will be important cause all three guys brings toughness and sneaky athleticism in their positions (Tubelis, Rubstavicius, Marciulionis). And off course later addition of Lelevicius, Buzelis, Murauskas will potentially be complete game changer for LTU.
As of now, Bigdanovic, Guduric and Avramovic were at different level athletically compared to our guards. Fresh Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis could show more (like tanking USA game), but they are not exactly yet to truly match such intensity. Nevertheless after 1 year I expect another leap from both and they should be pretty much what we need already most likely. Olympic qualification team should be really competitive, specially if we will bring back Sabonis and Grigonis.
LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:
Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
Buzelis, Lelevicius
Murauskas, Sirvydis
Tubelis, Krivas
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostOne thing is to lose after good fight, other not to stand a chance and to be swept.
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostBut to me the most disappointing thing was how Normantas (specially) and even Dimsa didn't stand a chance tonight against Serbian guards. These two were taken for defensive reasons. They had to boost our perimeter D, but they were so far away from that.
And once again, turnovers killed Lithuania. The Serbs scored a whopping 21 points off Lithuania's 15 turnovers while Lithuania scored only 8 points off Serbia's mere 8 turnovers.
And the Serbs took 9 out of 29 rebounds off Lithuania's glass. Lithuania took 8 out of 32 off Serbia's glass. That's where Team Lietuva is supposed to dominate which makes me wonder why Valančiūnas played only 18:34 minutes (over which he was a not great but not disastrous -3).
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostLekavicius can give as another solid 24 campaign hopefully, I think he even might be better than in 22, but that's probably his last tournament.
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostIMO, Maksvytis still made a mistake not including one from Marciulionis/Giedraitis to the roster.... IMO, both Marciulionis/Giedraitis > Dimsa/Normantas in perimiter defense.
Originally posted by Straight forward View PostMO, Maksvytis still made a mistake ... letting Tubelis go.
Last edited by Hepcat; 09-05-2023, 05:47 PM.
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostWell, Maksvytis admitted that it was mistake to go after a win against USA generally. I guess sometimes you just have to simply weight your capabilities. Maksvytis could simply tank. Give plenty of time to Sirvydis, Maldunas, Kariniauskas. [That's an interesting thought. I guess next time in similar situation will do differently. Expecting to beat huge USA, and huge Serbia was obviously too much. And 24 minutes for Jokubaitis against Edwards lock down D was also too much as an example. When I saw that first lazy pass by Jokubaitis and turnover at the very start of the game I knew we are in trouble. Obviously we were washed and far from our best.
But you can't tell the players not to play their best. The players are always going to try to win out there on the court.
I don't think the effort the players expended against the United States had anything to do with playing so poorly in today's game against Serbia though. I mean, what, a professional basketball player plays twenty minutes one day and he's not good to go for another twenty minutes in a whopping two days' time? Come on! We're not talking about seniors in their eighties here! Physical weariness wasn't why Team Lietuva lost the game today. It was mental factors/fatigue. Psychologically they just weren't ready to play for forty minutes today. They were still drained emotionally after the victory against the United States. So after their big victory two days ago they just didn't focus with the required intensity on today's game against Serbia. Lack of either focus or intensity is always fatal.
And the Serbs simply had a better game plan today. The Serbian team hadn't really impressed me until today. But today (and I guess against the Dominican Republic two days ago) they demonstrated precisely how good they are as a team.
Last edited by Hepcat; 09-05-2023, 05:42 PM.
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