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  • #46
    Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
    Lithuania is down 2 pts 5 seconds to go in second overtime vs bronze medal winning team and Butkevicius had wide open look..

    Lithuania is down to 2 pts again 5 seconds to go againts eventual champions and Jokubaitis have nice open look to win ...

    If those 2 open good shots goes in we would have beat gold and bronze medal winners.

    Only emotional brainless fans can shout we need to fire everybody,nothing was working and destroy entire team that was one open made shot to eliminate team that won gold.

    Bring same main 9 players back, bring same coaching staff in 2023 .

    Add needed type role players in last 3 places ( like Ulanovas) and keep on building chemistry between same core of players.

    I'm all in continuation in such cases.

    It's was painfull defeats, but to get such death group and after that gold medal winners in first playoffs game devil himself made this draw for our NT .

    even with all that draw medalist/best teams needed overtime games to beat ltu NT with some luck on their side too that those 2 open shots didn't went in ...
    In the group those Slovenia, Germany and France played well so tough losses were not bad. But in 1/8 Spain didn't play well at all (their worst game not including against Belgium), couldn't make long shots, Brown wake up only in the end. And what happened? Still it was the same close game and tough loss. Not being able to win against big teams for a while and loosing all the endings show that smth is wrong mentally.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
      In the group those Slovenia, Germany and France played well so tough losses were not bad. But in 1/8 Spain didn't play well at all (their worst game not including against Belgium), couldn't make long shots, Brown wake up only in the end. And what happened? Still it was the same close game and tough loss. Not being able to win against big teams for a while and loosing all the endings show that smth is wrong mentally.
      No leaders from experienced players. From those who in prime + bad defense. Why Brown killed us? Because our p'n'r D is trash.
      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
      Buzelis, Lelevicius
      Murauskas, Sirvydis
      Tubelis, Krivas

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
        No leaders from experienced players. From those who in prime + bad defense. Why Brown killed us? Because our p'n'r D is trash.
        He killed us not only because of bad pick and roll def but also because guards are bad defensively. In the first half it was once that Brown shot two 3pt in a row from the corner and all the time he was wide open like 5 sec...But missed. If he would have done his best all the game then i don't think the close ending would happened.

        Also lack of toughness of course. JV is out of the game sitting on the bench and we suck at rebounding. 203 Garuba makes a tip behind 2011 Sabonis' back in a crucial moment...Previous NT's generation had better defense, more toughness, winning mentality, better coach and over performing Kalnietis.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
          He killed us not only because of bad pick and roll def but also because guards are bad defensively. In the first half it was once that Brown shot two 3pt in a row from the corner and all the time he was wide open like 5 sec...But missed. If he would have done his best all the game then i don't think the close ending would happened.

          Also lack of toughness of course. JV is out of the game sitting on the bench and we suck at rebounding. 203 Garuba makes a tip behind 2011 Sabonis' back in a crucial moment...Previous NT's generation had better defense, more toughness, winning mentality, better coach and over performing Kalnietis.
          Off course, it's on guards too. But when we had true defensive big Javtokas, he was hiding Jasikevicius and other players defensive issues nicely. Now we badly need defensive big. Now our main center is one of the biggest targets himself in entire Eurobasket. Teams like "It's Lithuania? Attack JV"

          And you right about the latter part. After Kalnietis it was huge hole of high level athletic guards. Grigonis is just soft shooter, he can't go inside with force and he has been horrible finishing the games in Eurobasket. Could only take some long distance shots and couldn't make it. When 21 and 23 years old players are trying to close the games (they did it successfully 2 times in exhibition games against Spain, but in the official game couldn't do it even if were close...) it is obvious we don't have single matured guard who we can trust in these moments.

          On other hand, Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis showed great promise for the nearest future. Improved defense and maturity of these 2 should be good news for the NT.
          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
          Buzelis, Lelevicius
          Murauskas, Sirvydis
          Tubelis, Krivas

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          • #50
            Beat Scariola Spain in playoofs games it takes alot. Spains diffrent type zone defences,box in 1 shit bamboozled everybody in eurobasket 2022 including good nba players.

            Scariola game plans was fantastic all tournament long.


            LTU coaching staff plan in last 5 minutes in close games was playing Domas at C like Spain with Garuba this is right desicion .

            Diffrence between Garuba at C and Sabonis at C . Spain has way better defending guards compared to ltu weak defenders. Its not just Diaz others spaniards guards too is better,more aggresive defenders .

            Our guards gets pick and dont even try to fight over them,always leave our centers againts scoring guards in open space. Diaz or Albicy look how they fight picks and how our Lekavicius/Jokubaitis does its like night and day.

            If everytime spain guards would leave Garuba defend Schroder,Fournier,Ponitkas types in open space 1 vs 1 he wouldnt look that good defender either.

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            • #51
              I can only say that in 00's we had what's today is the best model of basketball. Defensive bigs + perimeter leader players. We had that - E. Zukauskas/Javtokas/M.Zukauskas + Saras, Macas, Siska, Stombergas. We were ahead of time in 2000-2004.

              In recent years our team was anachronism...We fell back to 90's...That's our bb tragedy.
              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
              Buzelis, Lelevicius
              Murauskas, Sirvydis
              Tubelis, Krivas

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              • #52
                in 00s centers didnt needed to defend pikenrool in every single possesion like in 2020s.Diffrent game,where we are behind is our guards tallent,not centers tallent.

                E.Zukauskas was playing flat rim protection defence all his career starting from Neptunas days in 90s.

                Eurelka was very good goalkeeper in sireika zone defence playing with 4 guards in 2003-2004,but today he would be as bad in pikenrool defender as Jonas is.

                Our guards tallents is the biggest NT problem compared to 00s.

                Like level wise nobody was comparing Sabonis/Ilgaukas to Javtokas/Zukauskas in late 90s/early 00s.

                Its same nonsense if somebody imagines that Javtokas/Zukauskas is even close to level Jonas/Domas have.

                Simply Jonas/Domas is playing in worst era for centers and with way less backourt tallent compared to Zukauskas/Javtokas.

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                • #53
                  just imagine 2m18 E.Zukauskas is our center and Lekavicius/Jokubaitis after pick leaves him to defend Brown or Doncic near 3 point line 1 vs 1.

                  Its funny just to imagine thats what we asking from Jonas and Domas stop those elite guards in open space.

                  Things that even todays best nba center Jokic cant do. But ale 00s way less skilled centers Zukauskas/Javtokas would? yeah right

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                  • #54
                    All Spain, France, Germany had defensive bigs. We didn't. Off course, all these teams had better defensive guards too. Our problem is that our current team is primarily offensive and without obvious leader who could scream for the ball like Jasikevicius or even Kalnietis did in the crunch time. Even if it's deep and talented team overall, it's very difficult to expect wins with such concept. We need to add more defense and to find our leader offensively. Most realistic scenario that it will be Jokubaitis and Brazdeikis. Those can take the ball and go to the basket to make something out of nothing.

                    We need this action in the official game:

                    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                    Buzelis, Lelevicius
                    Murauskas, Sirvydis
                    Tubelis, Krivas

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                    • #55
                      Give 00s LTU elite guards Jonas + Domas instead of Zukauskas+Javtokas LTU NT would have won not 3 medals but 5-6 medals in 00s.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
                        Give 00s LTU elite guards Jonas + Domas instead of Zukauskas+Javtokas LTU NT would have won not 3 medals but 5-6 medals in 00s.
                        I disagree. Javtokas was really athletic and smart defender. He was not only really good p'n'r defender, but also provided good help D and so on. He was perfect fit to that 00's team. Our defense without Javtokas (or even Eurelka who's size was ridiculous and he was monster blocker, and that made difference even in p'n'r D). Leave Jasikevicius to guard p'n'r with Jonas or Domas and our defence is complete nightmare. The reason why NT was so good in 00's was Javtokas generally and even Eurelka. Those made real defensive impact. As Kleiza said, Javtokas was hiding Jasikevicius and Kleiza himself with his D. Current Valanciunas and Jasikevicius duet defensively would be something incredibly horrible. You highly underrate Javtokas, and even Eurelka a bit.
                        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                        Buzelis, Lelevicius
                        Murauskas, Sirvydis
                        Tubelis, Krivas

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                        • #57
                          in 00s NT played alot of zone and pikenrool offence was 10 miles behind what it is in 2020s

                          How much do remember Javtokas or Zukauskas guarding 1 vs 1 Parker or Spanoulis near 3point line? In 00s Zone C rarely needs to do that.

                          compare Javtokas offensive abilities to Valanciunas

                          is like compare Vidas Ginevicius to Sarunas Marciulionis


                          Gasol was scoring 30pts againts Zukauskas/Javtokas doesnt matter. But Valanciunas/Sabonis would make Gasol work in defence alot.

                          Javtokas 2010 version was great defensively,but let say 2007-2008 he was just backup playing 15min behind Brothers/Songaila types.

                          You putting way too much glory to Javtokas and NT 00s achievements. Javtokas peak in Nt 2010-2012 when he was main center.

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                          • #58
                            Javtokas wasn't even in the NT in 2003.

                            Rememeber 2008 Olympics, semis against Spain? Javtokas was doing it all! He was terrific. Solid, tough d. He slowed down Pau to 19pts, Marc had only 6. He himself dropped 15pts. We were very very close to be in the final if not few stupid mistakes and so on. Even in 2004 Javtokas presence was very nice defensively. With him we were really athletic team. He was blocking Duncan He was more athletic than JV and Domas overall.

                            Prime Javtokas in 2008-2010 is something that we badly lack...We know what Spain did with JV in 2016...Humiliated us by 50pts...Pau gathered 34eff in 23minutes...Also in 2015 Pau dropped 25 on JV and swept Lithuania.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • #59
                              Pau dropped 37pts in 2003 final,Pau dropped 25pts almost every time he wanted on us.

                              P.Gasol was dominant in 4 querter in 2008 semifinal main reason spain won being behind most of the game and fauled out both Javtokas and Petravicius.I watched that game in pandemic so i remember well.

                              Javtokas was also on the team in 2015, 2016 and he is same age like Gasol both born 1980.Why he allowed Pau dominate in 2015 and 2016? if saw that kid Jonas couldnt handle him?

                              Its a myth that any lithuanian center played good defence on P.Gasol. Never saw that and watched all ltu spain games.

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                              • #60
                                I believe that 2 nba level 18pts average centers would help NT win more medals that 2 defensive type 6pts average euroleague centers.

                                No double teams for Jonas and Domas because shooters all around them in ltu NT 00s? Easy game for our nba centers compare to todays double teams they are facing.

                                Nobody would double team Domas or Jonas when Saras,Siska,Macas is waiting for a ball. Easily atleast 2 medals more.

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