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  • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
    You cant expect from a guy, who is born and raised in Canada not the same dedication like LTU born guys. It simply tells this.
    He is born in Kaunas not Canada.Raised yes in Canada

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    • Originally posted by Shawshank View Post

      He is born in Kaunas not Canada.Raised yes in Canada
      If he was a baby or a toddler it doesnt make a significant difference. It means he has no memory so no emotional connection to the country.

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      • Macas Saras Kaukenas at least had serious reasons such as "i'm le tired" and "Sireika hurt my feefees"
        The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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        • Originally posted by Toruko View Post
          You cant expect from a guy, who is born and raised in Canada not the same dedication like LTU born guys. It simply tells this.
          Domas Sabonis is born in Portland and lived in USA, Spain. He's the first modern Lithuanian emigrant to play for NT. But his attitude is great. So it depends on individual.

          Iggy would be very big hit cause when 24yo declines NT you have a problem, it's a bad example. No player ever declined NT if he's available and not restricted by circumstances (like Sabonis skipping 2017 EB because Pacers asked him to do so) from U24 I think. When young players skipping NT it's problem. I'm OK with vets taking off here and there, but not U27 guys. Jasikevicius took off when he was 29-30yo. Then came back. If say Grigonis wants to fully heal the back and come back to Olympics it's all good. I understand Iggy is tired, he really had very busy year, but so did Jokubaitis and he's 100% in.

          With Iggy the problem is that culturally he's more of American. He has that side of loving LTU NT, but culturally and character wise he;s Canadian/American. I would even say Buzelis and specially Indrusaitis are more Lithuanians in terms of their character and attitude, specially Indrusaitis who speaks Lithuanian really well as Chicago born and often coming back to Lithuania. While Brazdeikis wasn't in Lithuania for 8 years before coming to play for NT I think. Iggy is different, his dad was MMA fighter, he has mentality which is not common for Lithuanian. It's good and bad. Good because he doesn't care on the court and goes ISO and is good at it. bad - he doesn't relate with LTU culture all that much. But generally I wouldn't overestimate all this situation. Most likely Iggy will show up and if he's not, he already showed dedication to the NT so we'll see him in next tournaments. He let go his chances to play for Canada because of the idea to represent Lithuania. I respect that, and he gave all his heart to Lithuania last year, both NT and Zalgiris.

          Long term I think Iggy will be fine. He loves to compete. He came to NT without any contracts and represented it when such folks as D-Mo many time skipped NT because of lack of insurance and so on.

          I'm more concerned about Buzelis. He's doing it because of family alone I feel He want to greet his parents and family this way, but has probably nearly zero connection. From Lith players he only knows JV and watches some Domas, that's it He probably never watched LTU NT seriously as he was too small back then and when he became sensational teen basketball prospect he was too busy and probably didn't have luxury to get NT games watching with his dad. Brazdeikis for example was watching NT games and know all these Kleizas, Kalnietises as his idols growing up.

          While Indusaitis I feel is another case. He is very much Lithuanian in terms of character, more introverted, not too emotional, all about business in the court and he seems naturally very Lithuanian connected community, often visits Lithuania, speaks Lithuanian pretty well, came to play and played well for U16 without any hesitation. I think will be dedicated.

          Iggy, Buzelis, Indusaitis. That's our best emigrants. Iggy will 90% dedicated, Buzelis will be 60-80% dedicated, Indruaaitis 100%. If that will be the case, it's all very good if you ask me.

          It's all about individuals. Timinskas skipped NT because he had furniture to shift, Salenga run from NT for no reason, Jurkunas showed indifference to NT and so on. Every individual case is different.

          Jokubaitis says he prioritize NT instead of NBA. A. Mariciulionis once said that winning Olympic medal with NT for him would mean more than winning NBA title. That's when you know NT gonna be alright. When your floor generals have that attitude, it's gonna be OK. I can't imagine Rubstavicius being pretentious. He's like terminator in terms of BB - silent and calm off court, but all business on the court.

          Yes, new tendency is that players are more cautious and more career conscious. But for us it's important to have super loyal core as say it was JV, Kuzminskas, Sabonis and I can see such guys as Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Rubstavicius, Murauskas, Tubelis being dedicated all the time. And the good news we gonna have deeper talent pull this decade. So when there will be absences it will be easier to substitute it.

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          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
          Buzelis, Lelevicius
          Murauskas, Sirvydis
          Tubelis, Krivas

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          • If you are going to miss that many players, then a smart move IMO would be to test Jokubaitis by giving him the keys of the team and see what he can do.
            Secondly, adding 1-2 most talented players and giving them playing time might also pay dividends for the future. Obviously, you can't go with like 5-6 young players, no coach at this level of competition would do that no matter how talented they are. However, there is a possibility to build something for the future if chances to compete for something are really slim.

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            • Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post
              If you are going to miss that many players, then a smart move IMO would be to test Jokubaitis by giving him the keys of the team and see what he can do.
              Secondly, adding 1-2 most talented players and giving them playing time might also pay dividends for the future. Obviously, you can't go with like 5-6 young players, no coach at this level of competition would do that no matter how talented they are. However, there is a possibility to build something for the future if chances to compete for something are really slim.
              I think people can be surprised knowing that Jokubaitis played 26,6mpg in EB already as 21yo. You can add maybe 5-6 minutes to that, but not more in super intense FIBA games today. On other hand, his role could be even more expressed, with that I agree. Taking 7,7 shots playing 26 minutes is not a lot. If all these players and even Brazdeikis are not showing up, it's not that we will give him the keys, we would beg him to be as aggressive as he can by any chance

              What is a young player? I personally believe that 21yo Tubelis is better than Bendzius, Echodas, Masiulis, Bendzius, Orelikas, let alone some Maldunas (Murauskas already is on the same level). In some cases I feel like European culture is too cautious when it comes to young players. NBA's average age is much younger than ELs. And most of old continent coaches often fails to see that talented young player can give as much in some cases more than older.

              The worst Maksvytis can do is to ride mediocre players which is dead end - no results, crappy BB experience for NT fans, no investments to the future.

              If the roster collapses then D. Giedraitis, Sirvydis, Marciulionis, Rubstavicius, Tubelis will be realistic candidates to make the roster, IMO. So 5 young players are possible scenario + Jokubaitis is also young despite maybe being the best guard already.

              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
              Buzelis, Lelevicius
              Murauskas, Sirvydis
              Tubelis, Krivas

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              • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                No player ever declined NT if he's available and not restricted by circumstances (like Sabonis skipping 2017 EB because Pacers asked him to do so) from U24 I think.
                Jurkunas at 20 declined NT invitation when Kazlauskas wanted to take him as the most promising youngster from golden Jasikevicius' generation.

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                • Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
                  Jurkunas at 20 declined NT invitation when Kazlauskas wanted to take him as the most promising youngster from golden Jasikevicius' generation.
                  Yeah, I think you right. I'm not familiar with that situation precisely though, so I'll trust you on this one. Maybe there was some nuances to that. He had horrible NCAA campaign as one of that.
                  LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                  Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                  Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                  Buzelis, Lelevicius
                  Murauskas, Sirvydis
                  Tubelis, Krivas

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                  • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

                    I think people can be surprised knowing that Jokubaitis played 26,6mpg in EB already as 21yo. You can add maybe 5-6 minutes to that, but not more in super intense FIBA games today. On other hand, his role could be even more expressed, with that I agree. Taking 7,7 shots playing 26 minutes is not a lot. If all these players and even Brazdeikis are not showing up, it's not that we will give him the keys, we would beg him to be as aggressive as he can by any chance

                    What is a young player? I personally believe that 21yo Tubelis is better than Bendzius, Echodas, Masiulis, Bendzius, Orelikas, let alone some Maldunas (Murauskas already is on the same level). In some cases I feel like European culture is too cautious when it comes to young players. NBA's average age is much younger than ELs. And most of old continent coaches often fails to see that talented young player can give as much in some cases more than older.

                    The worst Maksvytis can do is to ride mediocre players which is dead end - no results, crappy BB experience for NT fans, no investments to the future.

                    If the roster collapses then D. Giedraitis, Sirvydis, Marciulionis, Rubstavicius, Tubelis will be realistic candidates to make the roster, IMO. So 5 young players are possible scenario + Jokubaitis is also young despite maybe being the best guard already.
                    I'm not necessarily talking about minutes, but more importantly about usage. Like you said, be more involved, take more shots, make more plays. It's the only way to guess what a player's upside truly is. Jokubaitis may have had minutes, but usage was still low.

                    The thing about young players is that coaches don't trust them and they don't want to look bad when a young player gets lost at the highest level of competition. Unless a young player is already proven at senior level, there are so few coaches who will trust young player over those experienced, even if they are not all that good. But if your team will be hurt by all those absences, Maksvitys might have an argument to throw in more youngsters.

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                    • Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post

                      I'm not necessarily talking about minutes, but more importantly about usage. Like you said, be more involved, take more shots, make more plays. It's the only way to guess what a player's upside truly is. Jokubaitis may have had minutes, but usage was still low.
                      There's no single doubt Jokubaitis will different. You can see from series against Zalgiris, he was most active in all 4th quarters. He wants more responsibility. He loves to be in the center of action. We have no proper back ups ATM. Dimsa surprised a lot, but he's not facilitator, only finisher. So is D. Giedraitis too rather. A. Marciulionis at least one season too raw. He needs serious playing time in NCAA, but I want to see him the camp nevertheless. Jokubaitis will have all the freedom.

                      I only disagree that this will necessary determine and show his upside. He's far from his prime. More like it will be the test whenever and how much he can operate now under huge usage. How consistent he can be with it and so on. That off course is intriguing and can go either way.
                      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                      Buzelis, Lelevicius
                      Murauskas, Sirvydis
                      Tubelis, Krivas

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                      • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

                        There's no single doubt Jokubaitis will different. You can see from series against Zalgiris, he was most active in all 4th quarters. He wants more responsibility. He loves to be in the center of action. We have no proper back ups ATM. Dimsa surprised a lot, but he's not facilitator, only finisher. So is D. Giedraitis too rather. A. Marciulionis at least one season too raw. He needs serious playing time in NCAA, but I want to see him the camp nevertheless. Jokubaitis will have all the freedom.

                        I only disagree that this will necessary determine and show his upside. He's far from his prime. More like it will be the test whenever and how much he can operate now under huge usage. How consistent he can be with it and so on. That off course is intriguing and can go either way.
                        Sure, nothing definite, but can give you glimpses what he can be as a player. If Jokubaitis improves and lead your team, that alone is a big win regardless of the final standings.

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                        • I sincerely hate Lithuanian basketball media. Bunch of sloppy mouths and lazy brain. The guy Lukas Katilius wrotes: "The bigger role than last year should be given to Kristupas Zemaitis, even though this season his performance is unconvincing"

                          I'm speecheless...

                          Other thinks that Tubelis would be the bench player of Rytas...I mean some dudes are 20-30 years in BB, but they don't get it. They don't have common sense. Freakin' simple common sense. They don't feel the perspective. The same guy said that D. Giedraitis has higher upside than Rubstavicius. Also speechless. Just from respect for his hard work I won't mention his name, but the guy doesn't have it.

                          Tubelis most likely would be more efficient than Echodas in LKL. Echodas is just a mediocre center globally, even Europe wise. In LKL there's no combinations of Tubelis quickness, strength and skill. He would even outrun Smits, probably the only package which is at least somewhat similar to Tubelis in LKL. He would be among MVPs playing for Rytas, Lietkabelis, Wolves easily. Yes, already, from day one.

                          With each year it's sadder and sadder. Liths specially sucks when it comes to getting the perspective of abroad players. Some speculated that Brazdeikis would be trash at first in NT (or close to that), very seriously. Even guys who I generally respect. Now majority of BB community doesn't really get Tubelis. Doesn't really understand how good is Simas Lukosius. It's terrible. I would read Spanish media and they would be nearly 100% spot on with everything while Lith media sucks. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.
                          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                          Buzelis, Lelevicius
                          Murauskas, Sirvydis
                          Tubelis, Krivas

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                          • Watched Barca- Baskonia. I can tell you one thing - Sekerskis has to be in the NT. The level is there. He's tremendous rebounder for his size and not the first time I can see that he's a good facilitator operating from perimeter. He slashes in either finds someone inside or kicks out. Playing at 4 he's really good facilitator. It would be insane to leave him out. Maskoliunas made a mistake in 2021 and Maksvytis also kinda pushed Sedekerskis away from NT not trusting him in FIBA windows. This should be fixed. The way I see it, he should be a starter next Sabonis. It's absolutely necessary to take him. I don't care that he will make few mis-reads in team defense. 18eff points against Barca.

                            Probably not gonna happen this summer, but Jokubaitis, Grigonis, Ulanovas, Sedekerskis, Sabonis line-up, would be very good passing line-up. The ball would move nicely.


                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • It's pretty crazy to think now that Zemaitis was NT memeber in Eurobasket. He sucks for Wolves and Jonava eliminated them. I sincerely against taking mediocre scrubs to NT. We wasted the spot in 2016 with Kariniauskas who sucked at 1. We could take Lekavicius, and gave up Ulanovas for that. In 2022 we took Zemaitis and he scored zero points. In the game where he received 16 minutes, he didn't score anything and made only 2 assists.

                              In other words, NT had zero benefits taking mediocre scrub Zemaitis and we completely wasted the spot. If that was A. Marciulionis sucking balls for 16 minutes in Eurobasket, or even 16yo Jakucionis, that would be investment which would lead to benefits. Now it's complete waist.

                              We should give our 11th, 12th spots to talents who have high upside. Riding with Zemaitis, Zukauskas turned out to be complete waist. Player at the very least should be Rytas' material to make the team.

                              I'm big sceptic taking mediocres to the NT. It rarely works. It worked with Juskevicius, but it's very very rare.
                              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                              Buzelis, Lelevicius
                              Murauskas, Sirvydis
                              Tubelis, Krivas

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                              • I read somewhere that somebody wrote that Bickauskis should be starting PG in NT. Please write 3 posts about it over next 7 days
                                The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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