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Yup, Buzelis will be a beast defensively. Already elite defender in the NBA. Best shot blocker of Bulls and he's just a rookie. Matas will be a glue guy defensively for the NT. We never had such dynamic shot blocker since young Arvydas Sabonis (well, we didn't have him in the NT, just in Zalgiris). He's gonna be our Batum with even more offense. Or more like Kirilenko defensively.
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Originally posted by Toruko View PostThe way how they move and overall I like Buzelis more than Jakucionis tbh but Jakucionis has a higher floor but Buzelis has the way higher ceiling. On the other hand the probability that Buzelis fails is way higher. Everyone is looking for this ball handling passing big who is a walking mismatch but the rate of a success story is very low.Bet he'll bounce back. He's only yet to unleash that 30+/10/10 game which is inevitably coming at some point.
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The way how they move and overall I like Buzelis more than Jakucionis tbh but Jakucionis has a higher floor but Buzelis has the way higher ceiling. On the other hand the probability that Buzelis fails is way higher. Everyone is looking for this ball handling passing big who is a walking mismatch but the rate of a success story is very low.
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Good argumented opinion from expert that writes and ranks draftees and ranks rookies monthly for more than decade.
Slam N JamAndrew Schlecht and Alex Speers discuss the 2025 NBA Draft with Sam Vecenie of the Athletic. They deep dive on Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper and which...
He is high on Jakucionis and sees him nr.3 pick. Not so much on Buzelis.
Talking in deep about 2024 nba rookies after 40 games his summary was this class is bad as predicted . Best what nba clubs will find in this 2024 class couple starting 5 level players.
Every last 4 drafts have superstars and it was clear after one 1 month of their rookie season.
2020 Edwards,Haliburton 2021 Cunningham.Mobley,Wagner 2022 Banchero,Chet 2023 Wemby
2024 best rookies Sarr and Castle this looks very weak
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Already solid with starters minutes, and those 2.2bpg would be at the top of NBA. Holmgren is second with 2.6.
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Did that beast already improved to atleast to top 20 in scoring in weakest draft class of last 10 years?
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Here Buzelis shows why he should be a beast one day. Against elite defender:
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Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post
I don't think Jovic will ever be 20ppg player. I think his best version could resemble a lot on Toni Kukoc. A glue guy, a point forward who can do it all offensively but not necesserailly scoring a bunch of points. Simply, a team player who makes winning plays. Heat are actually playing him as a playmaking guard since all the fuss with Butler.
The problem with talents who come to the league labeled as great scoring potentials is that if they don't pan out as scoring options it's hard for them to become impactful players or better say find their niche in NBA. Sort of situation with Buzelis. However, even if he doesn't pan out as a shooter or prolific ISO scorer, I can see him being an impactful player on defense and athletic finisher on offense. There is a plan B for him in case he doesn't pan out as a star player. I can see why you think Buzelis have higher upside, that could be true, especially since I haven't still watched Buzelis a lot, but Jovic's higher floor may be safer bet, especially in NBA where you have to do something at a high level to be able to play.
But I totally agree with you that Buzelis B plan could be defensive presence + athletic slasher/finisher. Kinda, Dunks & D playerFor Lithuania, we need him to become big scorer, but I surely see him staying in NBA long years even with lesser profile. Strangely enough Buzelis defensively plays with more consistent motor and effort than offensively. But he still has tons of time to figure things out and establish most optimal identity for him.
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Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
Yup, I agree with most parts. I would just add that Buzelis also not only more athletic, but also smoother, having more of a guard skills compared to Jovic. Buzelis can really resemble Franz, while Jovic is more of a versatile version of Mirotic (I'm coming back to the same comparison). Meaning Buzelis can be more explosive with the ball in his hands and be more dominant ISO player than Jovic. But I think you nailed it saying that Jovic has more fundamentals, like his floor is better established and he's way better shooter, more reliable decision maker and passer (so offensively has more steady fundamentals and can be way better system player, even if he also can operate as secondary creator to a certain extent). Jovic true ceiling is also not entirely defined still. Can he push himself becoming true third option of winning team or just a solid starter? But if I would choose a player with higher star upside I would choose Matas. More explosive, more ISO gifted, better athlete. On FIBA court it's tricky. We already know Jovic is very flexible and adjustable and he will help to win. Buzelis yet only will show how he's flexible. He always repeats that he will do whatever the team needs, but he resembles more of a guy who is either key or just a shadow of himself. Meaning he is much less of a system player than Jovic. I think Buzelis will be best at ISO rather than being all around system player. Lithuania kinda needs that. Both KJ and Buzelis should be expressed leaders. While Jovic can be great complementary player comfortably or switch to higher gear and lead the team. He has that kind of flexibility.
The problem with talents who come to the league labeled as great scoring potentials is that if they don't pan out as scoring options it's hard for them to become impactful players or better say find their niche in NBA. Sort of situation with Buzelis. However, even if he doesn't pan out as a shooter or prolific ISO scorer, I can see him being an impactful player on defense and athletic finisher on offense. There is a plan B for him in case he doesn't pan out as a star player. I can see why you think Buzelis have higher upside, that could be true, especially since I haven't still watched Buzelis a lot, but Jovic's higher floor may be safer bet, especially in NBA where you have to do something at a high level to be able to play.
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Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View PostBuzelis is rather similar case as Jovic. They both came to the league as talented but very raw prospects. Buzelis is also going to need a few more years before it's clear what he can offer at the highest level. The difference is that Buzelis is more athletic and probably has higher upside on defense, while Jovic has better fundamentals. Both have similar built and will have to get stronger. Their paths are comparable, even though they have different skill sets. Jovic was also a bit lucky to get drafted by the Heat which is very strict and good developmental organization. Buzelis has NBA tools and will have to profile himself in areas that he does well, while working on outside shot. Not a winning type of player right now, but could become that with more seasoning.
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nba world drafting top 50 tallents every year they can find. They all 50 players have huge tallents
Now they start playing in nba and we will see who will survive that nba cruel competion and who wont.
Best nba rookies who makes first and 2nd all rookie teams have way better history of having long nba careers than rookies who didnt. Way better chances
Check all nba rookies teams most best europeans future fiba stars made 1st or 2nd all rookies teams . Including slow starters like Jokic or Giannis
This draft is weak and its unclear will it have even 2 all stars overall one day.
Being like 20-25th in scoring in weak tallent draft nothing to be fascinated at all
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Buzelis is rather similar case as Jovic. They both came to the league as talented but very raw prospects. Buzelis is also going to need a few more years before it's clear what he can offer at the highest level. The difference is that Buzelis is more athletic and probably has higher upside on defense, while Jovic has better fundamentals. Both have similar built and will have to get stronger. Their paths are comparable, even though they have different skill sets. Jovic was also a bit lucky to get drafted by the Heat which is very strict and good developmental organization. Buzelis has NBA tools and will have to profile himself in areas that he does well, while working on outside shot. Not a winning type of player right now, but could become that with more seasoning.
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Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
To me it's important to actually see how he looks on the court. The promise is amazing. Flashes are amazing. His +/- one of the best, he's blocking shots and his 33.3% from the line (f.e Franz was shooting 28% last season and 32% this season). When Buzelis is playing just 13mpg with little touches it's all about eye test and glimpses, nothing else. Don't ask 15ppg from a guy who plays 13mpg and takes only 4,5 shots. Only after 2026/2027 we will be able to make conclusions, serious conclusions. Rookies need 2-3 years to show who their are.
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