Kaunas Zalgiris Thread

[Shawshank]

Wow Walker individual level can be even higher than Evans

Thats was something to watch when dude beats euroleague defence in such way

Not sure yet about his basketball iq,but athletic abilities and skills is really scary.


He is real nba rotation player,not sure why he didnt get nba contract.

[Toruko]

Wow Walker individual level can be even higher than Evans

Thats was something to watch when dude beats euroleague defence in such way

Not sure yet about his basketball iq,but athletic abilities and skills is really scary.


He is real nba rotation player,not sure why he didnt get nba contract.

You should naturalize him.

[Straight forward]

You should naturalize him.

Go enjoy your sell out international team please

[Dreamcatcher]

You should naturalize him.

He is on another level and he's only 25. I'm against naturalization, but I read comments and I understand that overall Lithuanians would like it if only the player would be passionate and willing to be a part of the team - not like playing only in Olympics which seems to be a case of Russell.

[Toruko]

He is on another level and he's only 25. I'm against naturalization, but I read comments and I understand that overall Lithuanians would like it if only the player would be passionate and willing to be a part of the team - not like playing only in Olympics which seems to be a case of Russell.

Well, its the decision of Lithuanians but almost everyone is using this option and I dont know why you should restrict yourself. Its not like you are in the situation of Serbia, which can afford rejecting it. Considering even Spain using this option you just weakening yourself.

Its just a kind reminder from a friend.

[Shawshank]

Lithuanians are stubborn pride nationalists in older generations more less

But there is clear signs younger generation people is way way more flexible in naturalisation if such rule exist and others using it.

Process started with naturalising canadian-lithuanian ,next step will be just naturalise needed skill player. Step by step for nation people give time to get used to this idea.


Walker or Evans type perimeter star would improve our NT chance dramatically in those 1/8 and 1/4 playoofs type games.


Enough to see what Evans last season did or Walker yesterday can do thats tottaly diffrent individual level compare to our offensive mediocre guards abilities.


Now elimination game comes vs real defences and our guards inability to score vs modern switching defences is just eye-opening truth

Walker,Evans type perimeter players is the answer to that.

[zalias]

lithuanians love seeing other lithunians fail to the point where it looks like they all hate each other but they are nationalistic at the same time. what a terrible combo

[Straight forward]

To me it's disgusting to read this crap. No wonder our BB IQ overall is so low. As basketball country we don't have basketball mind and most fans are clueless. FOA, Evans wasn't even drafted. He's not an elite EL player. He never played for a contender. He never will be among the keys for contender. Elite IQ and feel feel for the game is not at the highest level. For average or even scrubby EL club he can put up some numbers, but that's all. Prime Slanina also was putting up 16.6ppg for Zalgiris, did that make him elite EL player? Hell, no.

Now, Walker is a bit better player, but he is also not some kind of good NBA player. FOA, he is an ISO player in EL he will struggle. ATM, he's not well scouted, but he's not gonna play on regular basis like he has been playing in last 2 games. No way. He's a decent, but not good shooter and there will be nights when they will give him his shot and he will be missing. For such athletic players as Walker, you have to close driving lanes. He can't create for others and have little team culture feeling, just as Evans. Those guys have no elite IQ and elite passing skills to be elite in EL. Maybe Walker, as NBA material, could be useful of top clubs, OK, that's fairly possible, but he's not some kind of world class player. He barely survives as NBA player. Some teams will sign him as a guy at the end of the bench and that's it.

I will put in other way - Walker is a scrub compared to true FIBA stars Bogi, P. Mills or Fournier (prime) and such. He's nobody to compared him to true winning players of FIBA who make best NTs great and winning. So all this silly rant how these guys would lift LTU NT is extremely silly and funny. Not that level players make Serbia, Canada or USA great. It's completely different tier, lower tier. He's far from Rubio or whatever. You guys watched BB so many years and still so lost and can't figure things out. If you don't see limitations of such players as Evans and Walker, you just blind in BB, I'm sorry. And off course, around 80% of LTU fans are like that. Would overrate any second rate American to the highest hype. 25yo Evans was 10eff kinda guy for Maccabi, playing 25minutes. 24yo Jokubaitis for Maccabi is 12,2eff kinda guy playing 23mpg. Even Jokubaitis is a better prospect than Evans. He was drafted and has way higher upside. Elite IQ, passing, decision making. Less explosiveness, but still strong scoring instincts. Why was Jokubaitis drafted 34 overall and Evans undrafted? Because Evans is a scrub compared to Jokubaitis. That's all. He never had elite IQ, never had elite passing culture, not a consistent decision maker, just utilizing some of his athleticism and explosiveness at average EL level, but all this will be nearly invisible at the highest EL level, let alone NBA where he barely would be even average athlete. Jokubaitis IQ on other hand would still translate in NBA to certain degree. The decision making and passing and choosing right angles would translate just as it translated in the Summer League (or like Micic game translates, too a deeper extent off course). And off course Jokubaitis has higher upside to make an impact for elite EL clubs in his prime, compared to Evans.

And what is funny I only mention Jokubaitis. What you guy don't understand yet that Jakucionis is surreal. I mean I wouldn't even put Kasparas and such non passing, non IQ scrubs as Evans or Walker ever in the same world, in the same fucking discourse. It's completely different dimensions. We have an amazing gem, facilitation maestro, one of the most complete upcoming guards in decades. A guy who literally has a big chunk of Doncic and Dragic in himself. And you pathetically suggesting me to even consider to go after some NBA busts (yeah, Walker is a big time bust compared to where he was drafted) who are also are complete random Americans not having anything to do with Lithuania. You fucking puppy sctubs should be shamed. My didactic lecture here is well deserved. You can't see basketball and have no morals. And just shitting with your little mercantil thirsty minds on clean LTU NT body. jakucionis creativity and feel for the game is from other galaxy and it won't even be close such one dimensional scrubs as these second rate Americans as Evans and Walker. Don't fucking mention me those IQ less scrubby guys when true FIBA star, wold class piece KJ is coming. Pure Lithuanian, pure Vilnius guys, not some kind of clueless redneck, top notch of the best basketball breed that exists. It's not even fucking Russ kind moronic athletic dushbags who never win (and such as Walker are just poor man's "Westbrooks"). I'm talking about the best basketball minds as Nash, Stockton, Dragic, Rubio, Doncic. We have a player of the same pedigree. But you shortsighted, pathetic fanboys would sell your ass off for first random second rate American scrub. You must be shameful. You suck. Your inability to understnad basketball disgust me.

Now that mother f...D'angelo Russel...He's different that Evans or Walker. He's a legitimate NBA player. He even was nearly good in some seasons. Dropping 23ppg or whatever, with inefficient % and shit, but still not every player can do it. He's an NBA draft bust, cause he was No.2 overall and he didn't reach that expectations. But he's not a bust overall. With that said, opinion on him in the league is not high. He is treated like a loser, like stat padder. Some where joking he would surely make Lithuanian NT worse. And there's certain truth to it, cause not a winner. Or even if he is, ATM I would be way more sceptical than optimistic about. Most importantly, his numbers are horrible this year, he shoots 39% crap from the field. It may be the cause that he's regressing. I will tell this - Russel is player, he reaches that kind of level where it's even worth talking about possibility to naturalize him, if I was complete morally degenerated pragmatic. At least he's a player, not some kind of scrub. He is basically world class material that LTU NT needs. The only breed that can lift us and allow us to fight with such as USA, Serbia, France, Canada. Ain't no way some NBA rejects or borderline NBA rejects are taking us there. So Russel is a player, he wants to play, but only Olympics. As I said I would consider, if he shows interest to LTU culture, he chose LTU girt after all, he would come to EB and all...But no, it's very strict NO. FOA, he has zero connection with Lithuania. He's pure American. He has nothing to do with the NT. And he's regressing most likely. This case is at least interesting cause he's a player. But with all due respect I'm 100% with Kuz. We have to be honest and to respect our tradition. Those who will spit on that can go fuck themselves.

Lastly, yes, Lithuania can allow itself to stay pure. KJ and Buzelis will be tearing your ass. Toruko here is passive aggressive only because he can only be resentful. Turkey don't have anything remotely close to KJ and Buzelis. Actually only 4 countries in the world has something like that - USA, Canada, France, Serbia. No other countries have such prospects as KJ, Buzelis. These guys will be 10 times better players that all these Walkers (I don't even mention Evans level players). You guys are out of your mind, completely lost, completely unaware of LTU talent pool. Like Lithuanians are clueless (well, some of them, not all). We literally have an amazing narrative unfolding and all these low lifes are talking about second rate American scrubs. I hate Lithuanian rednecks so much at times seriously

Those who follow me deep down knows and admits (despite my irritating and triggering personality due to my extensive and maniacal correspondence or simply monological posting) that I make spot on judgments on players. My judgements on players are not a voice in vain. Embrace and trust what I say - we have the answers. Trust me on this. Have few more year of patience. Jakucionis will be heads and shoulders better than Walkers...He will even be better than D'angelo Russel cause he will be a winning player. Start to respect and value this fact. And stop pushing your naked asses forward for a brutal and nasty sellout.

[Toruko]

Lastly, yes, Lithuania can allow itself to stay pure. KJ and Buzelis will be tearing your ass. Toruko here is passive aggressive only because he can only be resentful. Turkey don't have anything remotely close to KJ and Buzelis.

hahahahahhahaha challenge accepted

[Straight forward]

hahahahahhahaha challenge accepted

You don't have tools to accept it (at least not in this decade) I'm not talking centers (Sengun is good, Sabonis even better...). But, whatever, you're wellcome

[Toruko]

You don't have tools to accept it (at least not in this decade) I'm not talking centers (Sengun is good, Sabonis even better...). But, whatever, you're wellcome

We will be better next year and also the following years. Mark my words.

[Straight forward]

We will be better next year and also the following years. Mark my words.

Next year maybe, I don't know and I don't care all that much. To me it's a transition season. Not that I won't be rooting and all, but I'm looking calmly at it. There's no objective ground to ask big things. But following years...nope, there's no objective arguments for you to make such claim. You don't have a single world class perimeter player coming. Maybe Mmer Kutluay maybe, but it's too soon to judge. Even he will happen to be world class, he will be balling in NT only in 30s.

[Toruko]

Next year maybe, I don't know and I don't care all that much. To me it's a transition season. Not that I won't be rooting and all, but I'm looking calmly at it. There's no objective ground to ask big things. But following years...nope, there's no objective arguments for you to make such claim. You don't have a single world class perimeter player coming. Maybe Mmer Kutluay maybe, but it's too soon to judge. Even he will happen to be world class, he will be balling in NT only in 30s.

You neither.

[Straight forward]

You neither.

Yeah, keep dreaming. Just as you were dreaming that Topic is no-body.

[Toruko]

Yeah, keep dreaming. Just as you were dreaming that Topic is no-body.

Lol, when did I claim that? He is a good prospect, nothing more.