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  • Zalgiris management f***ed up big time. Now zalgiris look like not seriuos organisation in foreign basketball people eyes

    First time i hear that players protested so hard with coach firing that club management change their opinion


    Its only shows how strong Motiejunas was as GM and how everything fallen after he left to euroleague

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    • If i understood correctly, according to basketnews podcast, Jankunas was Maskvytis' guy while Motiejunas and new sponsor were pushing for Trinchieri and players position' allowed Jankunas to win this one

      Zalgiris/Motiejunas are getting awards for being the only club in El that's profitable, not for coaching hires
      The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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      • OK, my take on this situation. I already said - Zalgiris management sucks and that's a fact. But I understand why Zalgiris was looking to part ways with Maksvytis. The key problem with Maksvytis is that he is a bad roster builder. He can't build the roster. Period. Both Jankunas and Maksvytis agreed on Brazdeikis release. That key mistake when you take out 1 of 2 key leaders (Evans and Brazdeikis) just at the beginning of the season goes on Maksvytis too. Just as Mitrou and Manek signings. Zalgiris always work together with the coach to make a signing too. So all these decisions were bad. Zalgiris was probably looking for an attempt to save this season, but specially to fix this problem long term. Now imagine Maksvytis kinda saves the season, situation becomes more stable to certain extent, but what's with the next season? He simply is not a coach who can choose player well. And Zalgiris needs that kind of coach. So Jasikevicius and Trinchieri make perfect sense. Saras is genius at it nearly (Zalgiris offered him very big contract, above 1 million it seems) and Trincheri also showed he can collect competitive roster with limited budget, or medium budget. Maksvytis is solid/decent coach to coach, but very bad one to select and build the roster. We seen the same in the NT. Horrible roster selection, decent/solid coaching. That's why I want him out of NT. He screwed one Olympic cycle already, missed on many player that had to be integrated, went with stunning choices and so on. I don't want another Olympic cycle wasted cause there will be even more new talent coming and he can't handle this process optimally. That's the reason why Zalgiris wanted to move on, IMO, in the first place. Maksvytis is simply unable to work long term and to build the roster. Zalgiris management was never good and they need a coach who understands how to select the players. Only Jasikevicius brought Zalgiris to next level. Last season was a fluke. An exception. Now basically Zalgiris will still be looking for an answer long term cause Maksvytis is good option only when you have some kind of master GM which Zalgiris is not even close Dead end in this regard. Zalgiris best chance was to get Jasikevicius back for 2-3 more years, increasing the budget a little bit and giving Saras some kind of chance to win EL. But obviously he has a better shot to do that with Fener.
        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
        Buzelis, Lelevicius
        Murauskas, Sirvydis
        Tubelis, Krivas

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        • Originally posted by LuDux View Post
          If i understood correctly, according to basketnews podcast, Jankunas was Maskvytis' guy while Motiejunas and new sponsor were pushing for Trinchieri and players position' allowed Jankunas to win this one

          Zalgiris/Motiejunas are getting awards for being the only club in El that's profitable, not for coaching hires
          Zalgiris is not profitable, they never got an award for that.

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          • Zalgiris is losing and Maksvytis looks a bit lost and confused. Somewhere deep down he probably wished to be fired already. There's no doubt he has a burnout, it's inevitable with his schedule and responsibilities. But I give him credit for playing Giedraitis down the stretch a lot this season. He slowed down LTU NT killer tonight. He played tons of game with elite D against players like Mike James. Sometimes they will make difficult shots, but that's all what he gives them. At least Maksvytis doing one good thing for the NT when he uses Giedraitis as primarily defensive stopper. This way Maksvytis reduces the harm he done with his roster selections in the NT to certain extent. Giedraitis is a must for 2024. He's ready to bite opponents toes in FIBA as well. He already played tons of times against elite opponents after Estudiantes and Zalgiris experience.
            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
            Buzelis, Lelevicius
            Murauskas, Sirvydis
            Tubelis, Krivas

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            • Trinchieri moved away Giedraitis from EL rotation, but got Lekavicius back and latter looks good. Maksvytis made a mistake by benching him. But all these things don't really matter, because it seems the Italian coach got a broken team. A question is only how much broken. Anyway, EL season is pretty much over for Zalgiris.

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              • At least i can see some clear improvements of Trinchieris' work compared to Maksvytis. Ulanovas is doing his useful things and he's not one of the main options in offense like it used to be. What is more, Manek looks like a solid player. Under Makvytis he was hardly playable and couldn't defend anything.

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                • Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
                  At least i can see some clear improvements of Trinchieris' work compared to Maksvytis. Ulanovas is doing his useful things and he's not one of the main options in offense like it used to be. What is more, Manek looks like a solid player. Under Makvytis he was hardly playable and couldn't defend anything.
                  I think with time will see obvious differences of quality between Maksvytis and Trinchieri. Last season was more of a fluke. Maksvytis isn't that good coach to lead teams to playoffs. While Italian did it not once and he nearly kicked out stacked Saras' Barca in the knock out stage. Looking forward how he will handle the off season too.
                  LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                  Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                  Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                  Buzelis, Lelevicius
                  Murauskas, Sirvydis
                  Tubelis, Krivas

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                  • they should release giedraitis after this season, he definitely looked better this year, but now he has fallen out of zalgiris rotation, its better to let him develop somewhere else. its mind boggling to me how no one can use him properly on this team, he's a 3'n'd guard, why was he force to play with the ball when he's clearly bad at it?



                    zalgiris management has a great chance to improve their lithuanian core this summer with players like sirvydis, jokubaitis, sedekerskis, r. giedraitis, motiejunas being available, but im afraid they might miss this chance if trinchieri wants to take a different direction and build the team around foreigners.
                    Last edited by zalias; 01-22-2024, 07:40 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by zalias View Post
                      they should release giedraitis after this season, he definitely looked better this year, but now he has fallen out of zalgiris rotation, its better to let him develop somewhere else. its mind boggling to me how no one can use him properly on this team, he's a 3'n'd guard, why was he force to play with the ball when he's clearly bad at it?



                      zalgiris management has a great chance to improve their lithuanian core this summer with players like sirvydis, jokubaitis, sedekerskis, r. giedraitis, motiejunas being available, but im afraid they might miss this chance if trinchieri wants to take a different direction and build the team around foreigners.
                      Giedraitis got a nice stint with Maksvytis. He learned a lot. Now under Trinchieri he will get a little role in EL and bigger role in LKL. That's not the worst case for 23yo at all. Far from that. He can just comfortably learn and utilize his chances. He already played 36 games in EL and +400 minutes. F.e. Sirvydis yet didn't play in EL. Giedraitis is in good situation. He should just remain in EL environment and in his prime he will play much more. He will remain valuable player, specially when he will start to feel more comfortable attacking from 2%. He shoots 50% threes in EL and 48% in LKL.

                      I really don't see how Jokubaitis or Sedekerskis can come back to Zalgiris. IMO, their market value is too high for Zalgiris and how it would be great for both of them? It would be a step back. IMO, Sedekerskis should go to even better team than Baskonia or NBA and Jokubaitis should remain in Barca and play bigger role. Sirvydis and R. Giedraitis are possible additions, but you have to choose one of them, IMO. I believe Sirvydis could provide pretty much what Giedraitis provides with much less money if you ask me. I believe if Sirvydis would play 25 minutes for Zalgiris, he could offer you 9-11ppg, specially from the mid season when he will adapt to EL completely. He is ain't no rookie for Euro ball, he spent already tons of seasons in Eurocup, played some in NBA and NT, so he would adapt to EL easily, IMO. Sirvydis should be No.1 target, IMO. Motiejunas can't bring anything to Zalgiris. Slow as f...defensively. Wouldn't even consider this. Few Other players that could instantly make impact for Zalgiris are Tubelis and Rubstavicius. They would bring some things onto the table instantly. Tubelis probably is persona non gratta in Zalgiris and they would have to play the buyout, so probably the answer is not. While Rubstavicius may be on the draft and stash situation and Zalgiris could use him. But Zalgiris has Dimsa and Giedraitis at this position for back-ups, so probably also not.

                      I kinda feel Zalgiris will sign Sirvydis. No idea about the rest Liths. I would say that's where it will end.
                      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                      Buzelis, Lelevicius
                      Murauskas, Sirvydis
                      Tubelis, Krivas

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                      • All those D.Giedraitis,Lekavicius,R.Giedraitis,Sirvydis,Brazde ikis is one sided players and mostly minus on the other side. With such players is very problematic to win in 2020s baskettball high levels.

                        3 and D guards dont even know exist such thing. 3 an D wing exist but those should be able to defend atleast 3 position players, in todays 2020s basketball,preferably they should able to defend even 4 position players on the highest levels in 2020s.

                        For me D.Giedraitis barely can defend 2 position players ( too small for 2020s standarts). He must improve his offence vs euroleague physicality otherwise he will be Lekavicius-2.Some coach will like his pluses,other will hate his minuses , small size and will be put him of the rotation.


                        From average level players group i rather choose good size Dimsa,Butkevicius universal type for very rough,very physical fiba game in NT competion.

                        Even if they miss shots,they arent total holes neither on perimeter and inside defence versus bigger dudes.


                        When coach have manny one sided player its very difficult to built workable rotation.Those one sided players in one matchup is nice fit in next game becomes barely playabale. Coaches likes players that they can throw in any situation and any playing style and their weaker sides cant be attacked so obviuosly.in 2020s basketball.


                        Team can have 2-3 one sided player its fine.But if teams roster have like 5-6 or more of such one sided players its a problem and coaches is forced to jump from one to other player. But in such case neither of such players have clear roles and become out rhytmh playing in one game 20min in other 5minutes.


                        Those Maciulis,Seibutis,Jankunas,M.Zukauskas,Butkevicius types their offence wasnt anything special at all, but it was very dificult to take advantage of their weaker sides.

                        Such type universal players have one similair trait is hiqh basketball IQ they just know where to be and what not to do.
                        Last edited by Shawshank; 01-22-2024, 04:01 PM.

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                        • Giedraitis slightly too small and too weak playing against bigger 2s, true. But he is not so one sided player. He has offensive talent and with time it will be shown.

                          Sirvydis is much bigger competitor defensively than R. Giedraitis, Brazdeikis. This should be emphasized. He doesn't have great lateral quickness and will suffer a little bit against quicker 2s if he will play there, but his defensive motor is surely higher then Rokas and Iggy. Sirvyha is high IQ player, he won't be a black hole defensively. Won't be a stopper too, but not a nightmare defensively.

                          Butkevicius is one sided player. He was 4ppg kinda player in EB 2022. And he's 5ppg player in EL. He is simply defensive player. He's ain't no Maciulis, who could drop 8-14ppg depending on the tournament and play stellar defence.

                          The reality is that absolute majority of elite Lithuanian players are/were offensive players. That's how it always was and basically will always be. Lithuanians are not the most agile on their feet, specially defensively. We live more with craft, IQ and instincts and not athleticism. Biggest wins were achieved with offensive teams. Those average 10's teams with defensive players never stood a chance in Olympics. The stage which is test-paper. Olympic medals ended with the decline of elite offensive players.

                          Soon Lithuania will build stellar offensive NTs again. We will have the rosters which will be capable to win big things being primarily offensive. Let's face it, Jokubaitis, Rubstavicius, Jakucionis, Indusaitis, Buika (best upcoming guards), Buzelis, Sirvydis, Brazdeikis, Lelevicius, Murauskas (best upcoming forwards), Sabonis, Tubelis, Krivas (best centers) are all primarily OFFENSIVE. (The only three exceptions will be Sedekerskis, Marciulionis, D. Giedraitis who will be primarily defensive). And that will be so legitimate offensive rosters that it will be capable to fight with top dogs and win, IMO. We will snatch Olympic medal again when elite offensive players will mature.
                          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                          Buzelis, Lelevicius
                          Murauskas, Sirvydis
                          Tubelis, Krivas

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                          • not sure how jokubaitis coming back to zalgiris is a step back, his role on barca got smaller every single year, there is nothing that indicates he will suddenly start playing 25 minutes per game. coming back to zalgiris as a starting point guard and having a solid season would increase his stocks much more than another season in barcelona playing 15 minutes per game.

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                            • I agree If after 3 years he still get first season minutes it means he is not improving what most fans expected from biggest ltu guard prospect of last 10 years

                              ​​​​​​Looking from historical standpoint I don't remember top 10 ltu players of all time to be stuck as backup for 3 seasons in same place

                              ​​​​​Those Marcela,Jaskas,Macas, Siska,Karnisovas or Kleiza types they would win starters minutes mostly already in first year, worst case scenerio in 2nd year, but to be backup for 3 years it showing signs Jokubaitis is not that level of talent.
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                              His trajectory looks to be going more to 12-20 best ltu players of all time like Kaukenas,Grigonis,Stombergas levels. They eventually was starters of top 8 foreign euroleague club but didn't came and took one of the main roles in good euroleague team by storm how top 10 ltu players of all time historically was doing
                              Last edited by Shawshank; 01-23-2024, 05:45 AM.

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                              • zalgiris was a perfect place for jokubaitis to develop, him going to barca never made much sense

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