ĄÅ¾uolas Tubelis thread

[Shawshank]

SF posts almost in every post a roster

Imo...

Jokubaitis, Velicka....
Grigonis
Butkevicius...

Dude, why do you feel compelled to do it every second post? Its so amusing. Do you copy paste it or do you write it every time down?

you get used to it dinosour expert is writting his lineups in half of his posts here and rebuilding our men NT with same name youngsters every 2 months

at some point he gonna dig some 17 ltu kid and project he gonna make NT in 2 years

stay tuned he also gonna give his projection how NT that cant make top 8 in fiba tournaments for 5 years is on a rise and will name 13 kids names that will make the diffrence in next 2 years .

Problem no ltu NT coach seems to agree with him and he calls them as some old school coaches that has no clue about todays modern basketball after they take 1 of 7 offered youngsters to final men roster.

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STF

you are loving to writting here on basketball forum about dinosaur extinction so thats why im calling you that.Get used to it

You are well known for replying prior precise reading, distorted rephrasing and oxymoron, so no surprise here I'll treat it as your intrinsic dialogue, as this description fits you exactly. Pound the ball inside for one-dimensional 7 footer and incorporate Skučas to the NT. That's your plan for medals. That's not only dinosaur expertize, that's the whole another level of utopian imagination. Maniacal sticking with the idea that 1992 generation (why not to just take 10 players out of this generation to the NT, Redikas would be more than capable to make a hard foul and maybe demoralize Doncic prior the game with pickpocketing in the locker-rooms?) is destined to bring medals for the NT, makes you worthy member of an orthodox socialists and other outdated utopian circles as conservative "golden age" idea how we beat stronger teams playing archaic slow BB as glorious 2013-2015 stretch narrates.

And no i dont wanna no fresh blood in men NT unless they gonna prove something on high club levels playing againts hiqh quality men.

No, off course, we're good as we are. No changes needed. Results are blossoming. Maybe just Skučas for elite elbows He's perfectly proven AGAINTS HIGH quality men...

When i see that you cant decide which center take nba starting 5 player Valanciunas in his peak or ncaa kid you are loosing me here and cant discuss seriuosly with such dinousaur expert

I gave you explicit answer on this. Do you seriously believe that I cut JV for Tubelis or you just pretend to be an idiot? (which judging from your massive never ending grammar mistakes and primitive replies may be actually true...). And nevertheless - you are saying that Tubelis shouldn't be in the NT? Oh, Skučas...

Well, let me know when the golden age begins of 1992 generation. Guys turning 30 next tournament. I guess the mistake of the grand plan was to leave aside grinders as Skučas. That's what kept them away from podium?

[madmax]

Our resident dinosaur expert is still having wet dreams about our limited talent backcourt going completely "small" in the games against elite opponents and coming out victorious against them lol One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that our current perimeter players are simply not good enough to hang with elite guards from other countries, so our only chance is essentially to slow down the game to a crawl and beat up those more skilled faster squads with brutal strength and physicality...that's our only chance of achieving any kind of success currently. Any preposterous idea about abolishing out best players in favor of much inferior "contemporary" players (in SF's own words lol) is so ridiculous it's not even worth discussing to begin with. Any coach of any professional team knows it - you play to your strengths and you try to minimize your weaknesses. That's how every successful team always operates to begin with

[Svajunas]

Sometimes dreams do come true. However I believe A. Einstain once said that doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results is insanity. I believe that still trying to beat top teams with JV is indeed borderline insane, thats why a suggeation appeared for JV to take a year off so we can see how we can cope without him.

[madmax]

Sometimes dreams do come true. However I believe A. Einstain once said that doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results is insanity. I believe that still trying to beat top teams with JV is indeed borderline insane, thats why a suggeation appeared for JV to take a year off so we can see how we can cope without him.

I always thought basketball teams had 5 players on the court at the same time, but when it comes to JV, it appears as if he's always playing 1 on 5 according to some members on this forum...or does it only appear this way when it suits someone's agenda?

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I always thought basketball teams had 5 players on the court at the same time, but when it comes to JV, it appears as if he's always playing 1 on 5 according to some members on this forum...or does it only appear this way when it suits someone's agenda?

The thing is that JV is alpha today, and sometimes, probably even against coaches will in some possessions, he's always No.1 option mentally. The problem is that you can't win with JV as No.1 option and the leader. Nor NBA, nor FIBA, nor else where. NT mentality wise JV today is big time leader, but he can't bring wins. JV earned this position, but unfortunately it's contra-productive when it comes to winning or making your team playing possibly best BB. It's a bit ironic, but when average EL player in his prime - Mantas Kalnietis - was our alpha guy we had more chances to win than with JV. That's about current basketball figuration. JV is a great guy, and a good player as a role player in NBA, but as a leader in NT he's the guarantee of losses and making others (the team generally) worse. That has been the story. Till other guys won't step up as leaders, we're fucked, IMO.

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Our resident dinosaur expert is still having wet dreams about our limited talent backcourt going completely "small" in the games against elite opponents and coming out victorious against them lol One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that our current perimeter players are simply not good enough to hang with elite guards from other countries, so our only chance is essentially to slow down the game to a crawl and beat up those more skilled faster squads with brutal strength and physicality...that's our only chance of achieving any kind of success currently. Any preposterous idea about abolishing out best players in favor of much inferior "contemporary" players (in SF's own words lol) is so ridiculous it's not even worth discussing to begin with. Any coach of any professional team knows it - you play to your strengths and you try to minimize your weaknesses. That's how every successful team always operates to begin with

No, that's your interpretation of my position, not my position.

Well, those only chances blew in 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021. How long would you keep it up with the direction? Why that "brutal" strength didn't prevail against "small, soft, non defensive" Slovenia team?

I never said I want medals now. It's unrealistic. We are not medal contenders ATM.

What I do want, it's playing basketball, not anti- basketball. My thesis - let's slowly build towards contemporary trends of basketball, slowly adding talent. Let's have long term vision.

I don't care about the medals as long as we play basketball and build fundamentals of correct BB culture. What I want is improvement (I feel like between 2019 and 2021 happened classical move, "one step forward, two steps back"). I will expect medals when we will clearly have elite team as we did in 1992-2008, not now.

I believe that pounding the ball inside as the main accent of our current BB culture is not only directed to constant failure, but will also have long term negative consequences. We won't suddenly snap the fingers and play different BB. We grew into the outdated form of basketball within the decade - ever since 2013. We'll need time to get over it.

Our worst stretch of modern BB requires new reflections. Maybe it's time to allow our coaches to fail, specially in the early stages of Olympic cycle. We should change our coaches mentality. Spain's and France's coaches working for decades, and no-one really takes them down if they see that in a long run it makes sense, brings correct culture and results. Adomaitis generally worked well and current federation blame him that he left, but it's on federation to communicate more than clearly that they want him to stay and to establish such relationships that the coach would talk with federation prior the decisions.

If say Maksvytis fails badly in 2022. Should we cut him lose? No. If he has the vision how to make NT a winning NT in the long run, then he should continue to work.

[madmax]

The thing is that JV is alpha today, and sometimes, probably even against coaches will in some possessions, he's always No.1 option mentally. The problem is that you can't win with JV as No.1 option and the leader. Nor NBA, nor FIBA, nor else where. NT mentality wise JV today is big time leader, but he can't bring wins. JV earned this position, but unfortunately it's contra-productive when it comes to winning or making your team playing possibly best BB. It's a bit ironic, but when average EL player in his prime - Mantas Kalnietis - was our alpha guy we had more chances to win than with JV. That's about current basketball figuration. JV is a great guy, and a good player as a role player in NBA, but as a leader in NT he's the guarantee of losses and making others (the team generally) worse. That has been the story. Till other guys won't step up as leaders, we're fucked, IMO.

my only response to your diatribe is this - you always find a way to put all of the blame on JV, despite him always producing on the court and being our best player in general. So I'm gonna ask you one more time regarding this matter and I won't bother discussing this anymore - is it JV that is the issue or our underperforming lacking backcourt? You're somehow always deflecting from discussing our putrid backcourt performances and put the blame on "pounding the ball inside to JV" lol...well, JV only plays half of the game to begin with and does his job exceptionally well, so why can't other players pick it up and do the same during the other 20 minutes?

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my only response to your diatribe is this - you always find a way to put all of the blame on JV, despite him always producing on the court and being our best player in general. So I'm gonna ask you one more time regarding this matter and I won't bother discussing this anymore - is it JV that is the issue or our underperforming lacking backcourt? You're somehow always deflecting from discussing our putrid backcourt performances and put the blame on "pounding the ball inside to JV" lol...well, JV only plays half of the game to begin with and does his job exceptionally well, so why can't other players pick it up and do the same during the other 20 minutes?

You are always looking from personal perspectives (JV's big fan in particular). It's not to find the scapegoat, it's to discuss what's best for NT. JV is the main figure to which all NT identity is basically dedicated. Our guards are mediocre, but even they are better than they perform in the NT. It means that pounding the ball inside is comfortable only for JV generally. Why they can't provide when JV resting or, say, coaching ask aggression from them? I just explained you in the post that you quoted. JV is alpha and the leadership lays on him, the whole game architecture is set fro him. All this set up makes others only helpers. So JV himself is natural alpha, he wants to be the best and he is, the game plan is set basically to utilize him and Sabonis, and when JV hits the bench the identity remains the same, we don't have any logarithm to play competent perimeter, uptempo basketball. We didn't play so since 2010. You have to build entire culture and work on it. You can't say "Grigonis, give us buckets now". We should be learning how to play with pace, how to move the ball, how to stretch the floor with proper positioning, movement without the ball. We basically have been doing p'n'r and post up sets for a decade. If we prepare to pound the ball inside, eventually all what we know to do is to pound the ball. The fact that JV is out best player today in FIBA is a bad thing to have. If he would be third best player, and we would have leadership in some-one who makes others better, we would be in completely different situation. Now we build around traditional bruiser with whom no-one wins today as a leader.

Mediocre guards are worse with JV as focal point

Mediocre guards are better with JV as a role player

(Kalnietis/Seibutis are not better than Grigonis/Giedraitis/Lekavicius, it's just that Kalnietis didn't give no fucks about JV and now everyone is looking at him as he's natural alpha now. Kalnietis rocked in NT, Grigonis can't bring his best, that's how mentality plays a big role)

The problem is that current JV is our alpha guy. He won't just come and will say, "now the stage is yours". Most likely we will be playing pathetically outdated basketball for couple of more season, it was just Hollywood movie between LTU and SLO - "Ancient vs Modern".

Off course, we lack better guards. But the thing is that with JV as a leader we don't even utilize our current talent optimally. Not medals, but exactly this is my issue.

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A word on Tubelis at 1:04:08. One guy predicts 18-19ppg for him this year. It's interesting that they think Tubelis will be central piece of Arisona offensively because of new coach Tommy Lloyd instead of Mathurin. I agree that Mathurin is better NBA prospect, but still can't get why the distance is so huge between them. Mathurin is treated as a lottery guy while some even exclude Tubelis from second round as of yet. :

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2022-nba-draft-preview-big-men-chet-holmgren-paolo/id1054081827?i=1000535485461

And whenever it's Toruko's post or not, I pretty much agree with most parts of this stuff:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nba_draft/p/4PVZXi66r_Ozu5/everyone-look-out-for-azuolas-tubelis

[Toruko]

I had the chance to watch Tubelis in the U19 WC. Shortly said he has some value. Even though his shot is a question mark I trust his mechanics to make at least the open ones with percentage but its still remains as a question mark. I also acknowledge his transition game putting the ball on the floor, cover ground and pass. He is definitely switchable and can guard some positions as well as give a bit of rim protection but the question why he is still considered as late first or early second is his lack of creation.

Some footwork is there but its not enough to create in NBA fields. He cant create with the ball in his hands neither from the post nor outside. He is the kind of guy who does everything a bit but nothing to perfection. He needs a weapon to be considered as a legit first rounder. Like this he is just a good player but not more.

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Wildcats media day. Dude's interview giving skills slowly improving I like how the coach and he himself are set for high expectations. "I need to be more physical than last year. I know that I can"

Now it's about how much he can dominate compared to last season. D. Sabonis jumped from 9,7/7,1 in rookie season to 17,6/11,8 sophomore. Tubelis has 12,2/7 as rookie. It depends a lot if he will be unleashed for freakin' 32min as Sabonis was. If he will, I wouldn't be surprised to see 20/10 in upcoming season.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1443380062800146438

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I wonder if Domas would be close with that kind of attempt Kalnietis was able to dunk from the FT. But I would say it's more impressive when Tubelis with his mass does it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUjyPV3Mm1N/?utm_source=ig_embed

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It has to be the worst misspelling I ever read, Asuras Tublis Tubelis thus far projected as late second round pick. ESPN has him at 50, some have it at 53 or 56. I think he will increase his value during this season, but I understand why he is not treated as big prospect. Today's NBA is about specialists, specially shooting. Tubelis is good at many things, but he doesn't have one tool that is special. However, I think he is underrated thus far. His overall skill, IQ and aggressiveness can make him a very solid role NBA player and likely even a starter. Interesting that NBAdraft.net sees Tubelis in 2023 drafts not 2022, picked 21 overall. Sometimes older players goes really high as Obi Toppin or say this year Indiana's Chris Duarte (24yo), but I bet it's best for Tubelis to explode this year and to look at his chances in 2022, pushing for the late first round or early second one.

53rd overall pick: Miami Heat (provided by 76ers)

Name: Asuras Tublis

From: Arizona

Height: 6 feet 11 inches

https://min.news/en/sport/4eedc8f31a6e3f8b9f3825087c7b7d64.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_lQAQdIMkr1BRnfDGOjpRl9NrbKEtx18RC86JOD70ZlE-1635518582-0-gqNtZGzNAnujcnBszQg9

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Guys from Baltic countries led Wildcats in the opening. Big game for Kriisa and Tubelis was solid. I like that he's efficient from the field, one of the things he must improve, and had 4 dimes, couple of steals. Would love to see him playing more than 21 minutes, that should come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34rZ1XgtZM&ab_channel=Pac-12Networks