All time NT

[Straight forward]

What would be your all time best Lithuania's unit? Specially, who would be the starting 5? Here's mine:

Best starting five:

PG: Jasikevičius
SG: Marčiulionis
SF: Karnišovas
PF: Kleiza
C: Sabonis

I don't remember how Paulauskas looked in the court unfortunately. Usually older people treat him as one of all time best, but I start since 1992. The most difficult choice for me was to pick Karnišovas instead of Šiškauskas, but Karnišovas was huge. 17ppg and probably even more gifted individually than Šiška. Both were super intelligent players. Some of you might question Kleiza here, but he's the most dominant PF we ever had, IMO. Made more impact than Songaila and Einikis.

Bench:

PG: Kalnietis
SG: Kurtinaitis, Macijauskas
SF: Šiškauskas, Štombergas
PF: Songaila
C: Einikis

Einikis made you wonder I'm guessing. Some will say - JV already is better and they might be right. But as of yet, Einikis was important part of 1996 and specially 2000 Olympic teams. So from this perspective I would still see Einikis more deserved to be in all time Lithuanian team.

Honorable mention: Chomičius, Adomaitis, E.Žukauskas, Kaukėnas, K. Lavrinovič, Javtokas, Lukminas, Jasaitis, M. Žukauskas (the list is long, but those I see as the most talented).

[auris1]

I guess Jovaisa is one of them "honorables" for me (apparently it is not even a correct English word,although it makes perfect sense to me) .
For those people who are too young to remember him ,I would describe his game similar to Siskauskas and maybe more.Plus he was kind of pioneer in sustaining playing longevity when at the time hitting 30 was the same as hitting a nail into ones playing career.Hell of the player he was,no doubt in my mind.
Lukminas ,on the other hand,pff. That is Gecevicius from 20 years ago.
Ilgauskas -whatever one has to say about him and since he actually played for Nt team,so yeah,him to ,i would to "honorables"

[Hepcat]

What would be your all time best Lithuania's unit? Specially, who would be the starting 5? Here's mine:

Best starting five:

PG: Jasikevičius
SG: Marčiulionis
SF: Karnišovas
PF: Kleiza
C: Sabonis

Bench:

PG: Kalnietis
SG: Kurtinaitis, Macijauskas
SF: Šiškauskas, Štombergas
PF: Songaila
C: Einikis

Einikis made you wonder I'm guessing. Some will say - JV already is better and they might be right.

I'd be tempted to go with Jonas Valančiūnas or Robertas Javtokas at backup center but otherwise I agree.

[Mindozas]

It's hard to make all-time roster, too big time span, really hard to measure the talent, but since 1992

PG: Jasikevicius
SG: Marciulionis (PG), Macijauskas, Kurtinaitis
SF: Karnisovas, Siskauskas (SG), Stombergas
PF: Kleiza, Songaila
C: Sabonis, Ilgauskas, Einikis

If to pick 2nd PG, Chomicius would surely be infront of Kalnietis, but since Marciulionis could easily play a PG, there was simply no place for another. I'm not sure about Jovaisa, in 1992 he was at the end of his career, but looking back, he was amazing player, great scorer, clutch one

[Straight forward]

I really missed Jovaiša. From what I've seen he was very light and was doing everything with the grace The problem is as you mentioned that he only went to 1992 team and was a non-factor basically due to his age. I have no sufficient picture of him to say if he belongs to all time NT. But surely deserves to be mentioned.

Lukminas ,on the other hand,pff. That is Gecevicius from 20 years ago.
Ilgauskas -whatever one has to say about him and since he actually played for Nt team,so yeah,him to ,i would to "honorables"

Maybe, but he was a hell of a shooter playing at the hight level. On the second thought I would even consider to mention Vaišvila, but Lukminas played more for the NT and scored more.

If to pick 2nd PG, Chomicius would surely be infront of Kalnietis, but since Marciulionis could easily play a PG, there was simply no place for another. I'm not sure about Jovaisa, in 1992 he was at the end of his career, but looking back, he was amazing player, great scorer, clutch one

Your all time team would be more balanced, but Ilgauskas really can't be here Javtokas, Eurelijus or even Darjuš deserves that spot more. Theoretically peaking Ilgauskas is the force any day off course, but he never did it.

Chomičius was a good player, but I watched 1988 Olympic games and his impact was solid at best (while Marčiulionis were great and Kurtinaitis good). I don't see him having the same impact as Kalnietis these days (specially the way he played in 2013). If Kalnietis can be a main figure running the team, I can't see Chomičius as a player who can handle the ball all the time and to be a guy to go. He seemed to me like a hard worker, great team player, tough defender, but not nearly as strong offensive player as Kalnietis in the regular basis. The fact that he was hitting to the second leagues of Italy and Spain also says a lot. Kalnietis will have decent chance to sign with an NBA this off season, IMO.

[Mindozas]

Your all time team would be more balanced, but Ilgauskas really can't be here Javtokas, Eurelijus or even Darjuš deserves that spot more. Theoretically peaking Ilgauskas is the force any day off course, but he never did it.

It's neverending discussion about Ilgauskas. Some calls him traitor, some understands his decisions. I'm with latter. Probably cause I had a chance to know about his condition quite a lot from very reliable sources and I understand his decisions perfectly. Believe me, it's unenviable situation. And afterall really sad case for both NT and Ilgauskas himself. Maybe exactly that was the reason why I still put him in my list, he still played couple of games and was 2nd best center after Sabas we ever had. But I do understand why you didn't pick him, it's just different views on this situation

Chomičius was a good player, but I watched 1988 Olympic games and his impact was solid at best (while Marčiulionis were great and Kurtinaitis good). I don't see him having the same impact as Kalnietis these days (specially the way he played in 2013). If Kalnietis can be a main figure running the team, I can't see Chomičius as a player who can handle the ball all the time and to be a guy to go. He seemed to me like a hard worker, great team player, tough defender, but not nearly as strong offensive player as Kalnietis in the regular basis. The fact that he was hitting to the second leagues of Italy and Spain also says a lot. Kalnietis will have decent chance to sign with an NBA this off season, IMO.

It's really hard to measure the talent of different generations. Who would be Chomicius if he would've had conditions that Kalnietis has to practise, I mean medicine, training conditions, personal coaches and etc. And vice versa, who would've been Kalnietis under conditions Chomicius had? Which were really poor during those times. Who knows. But they do has smth incommon, both weren't great talents, but both made it quite far. My father had a chance to practise with Chomicius at his early beginnings of career and Chomicius was laughing stock of the team He couldn't do nothing except he had great vertical leap. But he practised like crazy. Kalnietis was similar, great leaping abilities, but poor shooting, poor ball handling. Anyway, unlike some Janavicius, Cizauskas, he practised on his weak points and improved quite a lot. Moreover, not only conditions, but times were different, so to spot Kalnietis was much more easier and he could rather early take his talents abroad, while Chomicius couldn't, due to well known reasons, so don't let those 2nd string clubs fool you, he played there cause he was already past his prime. Also, top notch clubs were kinda careful before inviting former Soviet players. Sabas also started with Valladolid, the same like Chomicius. Kurtinaitis moved to Hagen at first. It was surely below their real level. The same was not only with basketball players btw, some really talented footballers, handballers also didn't have a chance to play where they should've had.
I don't want to take anything away from Kalnietis, but from my point of view, Chomicius was just better player in his time than Kalnietis is nowadays and made it further than Mantas did so far. Alone Soviet NT was huge achievement back in the days and Chomicius wasn't bench warmer there at all, anyway not a leader too, but having beside him Marciulionis, Sabas who would be? Also I think you underestimate Chomicius offensive skills, he wasn't that effective like Kalnietis is with alley-oops, dunking and etc., but he could lead the team, was really decent scorer when needed, also could defend really well. But like I wrote at the beginning - overall it's really hard to measure who was more talented, so having different views is ok

[Straight forward]

It's really hard to measure the talent of different generations. Who would be Chomicius if he would've had conditions that Kalnietis has to practise, I mean medicine, training conditions, personal coaches and etc. And vice versa, who would've been Kalnietis under conditions Chomicius had? Which were really poor during those times. Who knows. But they do has smth incommon, both weren't great talents, but both made it quite far. My father had a chance to practise with Chomicius at his early beginnings of career and Chomicius was laughing stock of the team He couldn't do nothing except he had great vertical leap. But he practised like crazy. Kalnietis was similar, great leaping abilities, but poor shooting, poor ball handling. Anyway, unlike some Janavicius, Cizauskas, he practised on his weak points and improved quite a lot. Moreover, not only conditions, but times were different, so to spot Kalnietis was much more easier and he could rather early take his talents abroad, while Chomicius couldn't, due to well known reasons, so don't let those 2nd string clubs fool you, he played there cause he was already past his prime. Also, top notch clubs were kinda careful before inviting former Soviet players. Sabas also started with Valladolid, the same like Chomicius. Kurtinaitis moved to Hagen at first. It was surely below their real level. The same was not only with basketball players btw, some really talented footballers, handballers also didn't have a chance to play where they should've had.
I don't want to take anything away from Kalnietis, but from my point of view, Chomicius was just better player in his time than Kalnietis is nowadays and made it further than Mantas did so far. Alone Soviet NT was huge achievement back in the days and Chomicius wasn't bench warmer there at all, anyway not a leader too, but having beside him Marciulionis, Sabas who would be? Also I think you underestimate Chomicius offensive skills, he wasn't that effective like Kalnietis is with alley-oops, dunking and etc., but he could lead the team, was really decent scorer when needed, also could defend really well. But like I wrote at the beginning - overall it's really hard to measure who was more talented, so having different views is ok

Indeed I probably underrated Chomičius' offensive skills. Didn't see him much in his best years. So overall it's hard to rank his impact not only because of different environment and time, but you have to know a player really well to judge him. For example, Kalnietis in 2013 not only scored 12ppg but also 5 assists and 5 rebounds. That's huge impact, specially knowing that the ball was mostly in his hands for +30 min so he had to do a lot of other things like play making, protecting the ball, controlling the rhythm. I think playing with Sabonis, Kurtinaitis and Jovaiša that could be an easier task as all of them had great IQ and could pass the ball. Anyway, Chomičius was very tough and obviously could be a volume scorer. Here's a nice find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWh0kfWF_Hs

[vaslover]

Nice thread, well done Straight forward.
Starting five (only players who won gold in the Olympic basketball tournaments)
PG: Marciulionis
SG: Kurtinaitis
SF: Modestas Paulauskas (SG) (his height was 1.88-1.94, It,s not enough for SF,but i can,t mention this unique player in my starting five)
PF: Pranas Lubinas ( won Olympic gold with USA NT in 1936 but who cares?! )
C: Sabonis

Bench :
PG: Jasikevicius
SG: Macijauskas
SF: Karnisovas, Siskauskas (SG), Stombergas
PF:Kleiza
C: Ilgauskas ( i was a little hesitant about Big Z, definitely that he,s very contradictory person, but his PURE talent plays on his side.)
Curious All time NT, isn,t it?

[Shawshank]

My all time Lithuania team:

PG S.Jasikevicius,M.Kalnietis
SG S.Marciulionis,R.Kurtinaitis,A.Macijauskas
SF A.Karnisovas,R.Siskauskas,S.Stombergas
PF L.Kleiza,D.Songaila
C A.Sabonis,R.Javtokas

My team have no weaks spots.I have really good guards and Sabonis in the middle my team would win ! :P

I put Kalnietis instead of Chomicius because Mantas already did similiar things playings for national team as Chomicius did in entire career.And Mantas still have like 4-5 years he definetely will over power chomiciaus achievements when his playing days will be over.I put Javtokas as second center because i need some defence after sabonis will be resting for 5minutes and guards will do offensive job.Songaila will do dirty work inside.And 1-3 positions +kleiza gonna shoot you do dead.I cant put ilgauskas because he played 2 games almost like friendlys,he do not deserve being in all time lithuanian team.There are way more deserved guys who didnt make my team than Ilgauskas.

My criterias was simple i included players: who gave their heart and soul to national team. Such players i will always take to my team because i know they gonna die on the floor ...

Honorable mentiones: V.Chomicius,Lavrinovich bros,S.Jasaitis,E.Zukauskas for their dedication to national team.Already got my respect Seibutis,Maciulis,Jankunas,Pocius,Valanciunas for never saying "no".

[auris1]

I really missed Jovaiša. From what I've seen he was very light and was doing everything with the grace The problem is as you mentioned that he only went to 1992 team and was a non-factor basically due to his age. I have no sufficient picture of him to say if he belongs to all time NT. But surely deserves to be mentioned.

Perhaps his impact was minimal in 1992 ,but still ...his legacy is hardly questionable...
You know,the list doesn't just have to be limited to 5 or 12 players,it seems too restrictive .It's not like we have to abide to Fiba rules here.

... he (Lukminas ) was a hell of a shooter playing at the hight level.

So is Gecevicius - and ,arguably ,he played for better/higher level team(s) ( Olympiakos ???).Not even sure where Lukminas played after he left Zalgiris .
Either way,none of them are/were good enough for this list.

[auris1]

My father had a chance to practise with Chomicius at his early beginnings of career and Chomicius was laughing stock of the team He couldn't do nothing except he had great vertical leap. But he practised like crazy.

This ...His work ethics were second to none .And if i remember correctly (or if facts i was told by some random people were correct) ,Gomelsky put his faith in him very early in his career - he was in USSR training camp even before he was starting five in Zalgiris .(Linkevicius ,Masalskis were leading the team at the time)
Even so,I personally remember him coming for his warm-up like 30-40 before anyone else would start their warm up just to practice his shooting. And hell,that was alone was worth the admission money.100-150 various shots, perhaps 2 or 3 misses (this was before 3 point line was introduced).

[Darknemo2000]

PG: Jasikevicius, Chomicius
SG: Marciulionis, Macijauskas
SF: Karnisovas, Siskauskas, Stombergas
PF: Kleiza, Songaila
C: Sabonis, Ilgauskas, Einikis

Honorable mentions - Paulauskas, Kurtinaitis, Jovaisa, Lubinas, Kaukenas, Kalnietis, Javtokas, E. and M. Zukauskas, Jasaitis, Lavrinovic brothers. I think Valanciunas will join the best 12 group eventually.

[Vilkas]

G: Jasikevičius, Kalnietis
G: Marčiulionis, Macijauskas, Kurtinaitis
F: Štombergas, Šiškauskas
F: Karnišovas, Kleiza
C: Sabonis, Ilgauskas, Valančiūnas

I do not understood people who put Einikis. He drink and abuses his wife, drinking before practicing and doing cocaine. I think he do bettr if not drugs and alcohol.

Chomičius sadly did not play good, he ,33 year old in Barcelona olympics, was episodal player. This is why I put not him. Songaila played averagely. Paulauskas ,Lubinas did not count, they played before year 1992..

[Mindozas]

I do not understood people who put Einikis. He drink and abuses his wife, drinking before practicing and doing cocaine. I think he do bettr if not drugs and alcohol.

Probably cause he was great player and is among best frontcourt players Lithuania ever produced. So people judges Einikis by his on court achievements, like f.e. 3 Olympic bronze medals, and not off court "actions". Moreover he didn't have problems with drugs while playin', not sure about abusing his wife, but neverthless it's sad that he ended up this way and some younger persons recognises him as somekind of clown nowadays, but forgets how good he was on court

[auris1]

Probably cause he was great player and is among best frontcourt players Lithuania ever produced. So people judges Einikis by his on court achievements, like f.e. 3 Olympic bronze medals, and not off court "actions". Moreover he didn't have problems with drugs while playin', not sure about abusing his wife, but neverthless it's sad that he ended up this way and some younger persons recognises him as somekind of clown nowadays, but forgets how good he was on court

People tends to go off the rails,from time to time.They get addicted to drugs,gambling or alcohol ,make bad financial choices ,mistreats theirs spouses ,sires numerous offsprings ,have issues with their temper or personality ,etc.
I suppose,Einikis had been all this and maybe more ,but more importantly ,he is in need of some sort help for ,and has been for some time,.Unfortunately,our society in general does not have a capacity not only to provide to his needs,but even to recognize issues he has as individual.Hence the clown.