All time NT

[auris1]

From 1947 to 1989, in 38 final EC, OG, WC tournaments and 1 olympic qualification tournament SU NT scored 28157 pounts. Lithuanians scored 5023 points or 17.8%, Latvians 9.4%, Estonians and Georgians 5.2% each and 1 Armenian 0.6%.
Top 10 best performances by Lithuanians:
1988: 55.8%
1985: 48.3
1989: 48.2
1984: 46.8
1983: 41.6
1986: 33.0
1987: 31:8
1952: 31.4
1953: 26.7
1982: 26.2

Top 7 best Latvian performances happened 1956-1964

Another great post . You should post here your spreadsheets or whatever it is called nowadays .
So how about Estonians then ?
Was Enden Enden ,that blonde guy who played for CSKA ,was the only one to play for Soviets before they collapsed ?
Tiit Sokk was another one who played for them too , I assume ?

[LuDux]

Another great post . You should post here your spreadsheets or whatever it is called nowadays .
So how about Estonians then ?
Was Enden Enden ,that blonde guy who played for CSKA ,was the only one to play for Soviets before they collapsed ?
Tiit Sokk was another one who played for them too , I assume ?

I didn't wrote names down
Most Estonian NTs
1951 20.8% 3 players
1967w 19.8 2
1968 16.9 2
1967w 14.5 3
1970 14.4 2

[Straight forward]

In NT thread we kinda talked that current NT lacking true pure scorers. That Kleiza kinda was the last of that kind. So I tried to figure it out who are the best pure scorers in all time NT and there's my list:

1. Marciulionis. Most talented and most explosive scorer of Lith BB, IMO. He could just do it all by himself. He averaged 23,7ppg in 1995 EB. Also he had the season in NBA when he averaged 19ppg for a strong PO Worriors team. No-one even stand close to that so far. Maybe Ilgauskas with 17ppg.
2. Sabonis. I was about not to even include him to this list because he was such an all around center, surely it's hard to name him as a pure scorer, but he was averaging 23,9ppg in OG 1992. I had to put him in after that because he just was so good at scoring in the prime. I could not imagine that JV would average that kind of numbers even of we would feed him in every possession. So it's still between Sabonis and Marciulionis, but since Sabonis never had an opportunity to prove him self in NBA at his prime and Marciulionis I think had even more impressive individual performances in national teams - 1988, 1992, 1995. It's close, but if I would go for pure scorer prime Marciulionis would be my choice.
3. Kleiza. Close call between him and Karnisovas, but I have to go with Kleiza averaging 19ppg (2010 WC) and it could be much more ifUSA hadn't shut him down completely in semis. Also he has some funny numbers in Youth level (29,1ppg in 2003WC), won best scorers Euroleague's title. He was all about scoring.
4. Karnisovas. All time best Lithuanian scorer in total points. 21ppg in 1997EB in his prime. Karnisovas generally was better player than Kleiza was, but since it's pure scorer list, I go with him.
5. Macijauskas. And some of you guys would put him in front of Kleiza and Karnisovas. He was brilliant in 2003-2004. Averaged 19,4ppg in Euroleague. But he never lead NT to medals per se and never really peaked. Injuries killed his career.
6. Jasikevicius. Hard choice between him and Siskauskas/Stombergas/Kurtinaitis/Kaukenas. Saras was an all around guard, but statistically he averaged best 15,7ppg in 2004 season. Also he was very stable scorer in NT since 1999.

That would be my lets say objective list judging from the stats. But if I would be asked who is the best "pure scorers" of NT - that would be Marciulionis, Kleiza, Macijauskas, Kaukenas. Those were all about scoring in their prime.

PS: Chomicius averaged 15,3ppg for a heck of Soviet team in 1982 WC. He should be mentioned at least. Also I do remember that Kalnietis averaged 18ppg last summer, but his club career doesn't say he's a great scorer, even if he had few really good season in Russia. So worth mentioning probably.

[Shawshank]

As pure scorer macijauskas 2002-2005 years was not only one of the best ltu nt history, overall in europe just deadly scoring machine .Name kalashnikov come from that.

Who was leading scorer from eurobasket 2003 champions? Yeah our kalashnikov As pure scorer he was no doubt best from that golden generation players.

Both navarro and macas was born in 1980. In 2003-2005 best europes Sg was Macijauskas.There were time when young macas was better than young navarro and that says alot.

Marciulionis is my favorite player of all time and overall better player than Macas, but as pure points scorer in not so sure who was better.

[LuDux]

So I took top 40 players in played minutes (out of 70) and compared points scored to (rb+as+st+bl+to+pf)
Purest scorers:
Macijauskas 0,75
Karnysovas 0,82
Stombergas 0,90
Kurtinaitis 0,91
Siskauskas 0,91


Purest scorers:
Maskoliunas 3,84
M Zukauskas 1,80
E Zukauskas 1,61
Javtokas 1,61
Gustas 1,60

bunch of championships in 90s are missing block stats so Siskauskas is probably 3rd purest shooter

[auris1]

So I took top 40 players in played minutes (out of 70) and compared points scored to (rb+as+st+bl+to+pf)
Purest scorers:
Macijauskas 0,75
Karnysovas 0,82
Stombergas 0,90
Kurtinaitis 0,91
Siskauskas 0,91


Purest scorers:
Maskoliunas 3,84
M Zukauskas 1,80
E Zukauskas 1,61
Javtokas 1,61
Gustas 1,60

bunch of championships in 90s are missing block stats so Siskauskas is probably 3rd purest shooter

I am very confused now .
What is your formula there ?
What exactly number 0.75 represents in case of Macijauskas and why it makes him better than number 3,84 that Maskoliunas has ?
Just give me an idea of how you come up with them numbers .

[LuDux]

Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pf + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

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Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pg + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

Do you came up with your own idea using such system or saw someone using it? It's interesting.

[auris1]

Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pg + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

Look,be patient with me .

Macijauskas 0.75 = 258

makes no sense at all .
Please ,provide values for each side of your equation .
what is that number 344 for ? why are you putting plus to turnovers ?
Are you doing averages ?Why lower number is better when we are talking about the opposite values as in best scorer (highest number )?

[LuDux]

Same thing but with more activities included

In perfect world turnovers made while trying to score would be added to points

LT NT Pure Ice ranking (minimum 140 points, pts per (ast+Orb))

1. Macijauskas A - 6.3

2. Kleiza L - 5.6

3. Štombergas S - 4.9

4. Einikis G - 4.7

5. Kurtinaitis R - 4.5

[Straight forward]

I know it's a bit negative idea, but how about the worst NT player ever? Here would be my candidates:

G. Markevicius, K.Marciulionis, Prekevicius, Mazutis, Andriuskevicius, G. Gustas, Vasiliauskas, Kariniauskas

Would be really hard to go with one.

[LuDux]

if we go by slightly modified "good stats minus turnovers per minute"
70. Prekevicius -1.74 (2/4 fg 1as 4 to)
69. Kariniauskas 4.4
68. Grigonis 4.7
67. Vasiliauskas 5.9
66. Lekavicius

64. Markevicius
62. Mazutis
56. Gustas
11. Andriuskevicius
8. K.Marciulionis
1. Silinskis

[Shawshank]

The worst team of all time:

PG Karinauskas,Mazutis
SG Prekevicius,Vasiliauskas
SF Jomantas
PF
C Andriuskevicius,Silinskis

more or less i dont remember players that would stick to your head right away as awfull.Ofcourse basically almost all of them are PG.Because we always try those lkl material PG and do not works in high quality competions like 95% of possibility.But when you dont have nothing or close to that in that position,you need to try and hope for miracles

OPfcourse Lekavicius and Grigonis had bad rookie campaings in their first year (both missed everything),but we hope that they will be good later on and most likely it will happen.Thats why we dont include them,but they sucked in first year.When guard missing open shots all tournament long,that sucks and obviuosly hurts the team.Seibutis also plays defence in zalgiris,but when he misses all his shots he just sucks and we can say he plays well.

[Straight forward]

if we go by slightly modified "good stats minus turnovers per minute"
70. Prekevicius -1.74 (2/4 fg 1as 4 to)
69. Kariniauskas 4.4
68. Grigonis 4.7
67. Vasiliauskas 5.9
66. Lekavicius

64. Markevicius
62. Mazutis
56. Gustas
11. Andriuskevicius
8. K.Marciulionis
1. Silinskis

How Juskevicius didn't make the list with this last summer performance? This is interesting, but this is not the best way to decide the worst player. Some of those were complete non-factors, just made few open shots in trash minutes, while such as Lekavicius and Grigonis made impact to the game even if missed their shots. Anyway, nice list. When Silinskis made the team BTW? I don't remember that.

Shaw, I doubt Jomantas was that bad. At the very worst he had to produce toughness at the defensive end and he does read the game a little bit. Butautas' decision to make him PG was an idiot move, can't blame Jomantas here.

[LuDux]

Andriuskevicius 26 minutes 9 rb, 1as 1 st, 1 bl, 3to, 3/5-0/0-1/2

How Juskevicius didn't make the list with this last summer performance? This is interesting, but this is not the best way to decide the worst player. Some of those were complete non-factors, just made few open shots in trash minutes, while such as Lekavicius and Grigonis made impact to the game even if missed their shots. Anyway, nice list. When Silinskis made the team BTW? I don't remember that.

Shaw, I doubt Jomantas was that bad. At the very worst he had to produce toughness at the defensive end and he does read the game a little bit. Butautas' decision to make him PG was an idiot move, can't blame Jomantas here.

Statistically per minute Juskevicius'16 was better than Juskevicius'16
Silinskis 1 game 2 minutes 2pt 1/1 in 2005