All time NT

[Mindozas]

Kalnietis rises to 3rd place with 372, JV rises to 7th spot, passing Sabas with 293.

Off course if Sabas, Marciulionis, Karnisovas, Macijauskas played more Eurobasket tournaments they all would be at the top.

PS: At this point, I'm thinking Mindozas (and some others) will agree Kalnietis deserves to be a back-up for Šaras in all time NT.

Nah, not so fast Kalnietis surpassed Saras record from 2003. Does it means he had better tournament than Saras back then? Not even close. Another thing, what I was surprised about that in this Eurobasket assists were counted closer to NBA standarts than it was f.e. in EL or previous tournaments. I've counted those and had closer look, cause was participating in EB manager I don't want to take anything away from Mantas, but he also benefited cause of that like all the PGs and players overall. Its also is quite visable if compare stats columns from previous Eurobaskets and this one, both players and teams. The same Kalnietis while having way better tournament in 2013 had only 5apg, now 7.8apg. 2 years ago Spain was leading with 17.1apg, now 14!!! teams had better result.
Overall speaking, stats are stats, but Kalnietis performance this year, even knowing all the circumstances (injuries), didn't put him above Chomicius in my book. I still rate Valdemaras as better player overall, tho none of them made it to my all-time NT what so ever

[Straight forward]

Nah, not so fast Kalnietis surpassed Saras record from 2003. Does it means he had better tournament than Saras back then? Not even close. Another thing, what I was surprised about that in this Eurobasket assists were counted closer to NBA standarts than it was f.e. in EL or previous tournaments. I've counted those and had closer look, cause was participating in EB manager I don't want to take anything away from Mantas, but he also benefited cause of that like all the PGs and players overall. Its also is quite visable if compare stats columns from previous Eurobaskets and this one, both players and teams. The same Kalnietis while having way better tournament in 2013 had only 5apg, now 7.8apg. 2 years ago Spain was leading with 17.1apg, now 14!!! teams had better result.
Overall speaking, stats are stats, but Kalnietis performance this year, even knowing all the circumstances (injuries), didn't put him above Chomicius in my book. I still rate Valdemaras as better player overall, tho none of them made it to my all-time NT what so ever

Interesting. I didn't notice that. Didn't really care too much as all the games where freakin' thrillers. Outside Kalnietis, Satoransky, Teodosic no-one was putting some massive assists numbers (5-6 assists is normal even for previous FIBA rules). I thought Mantas is much more of a passing PG compared him to 2013 when he was taking tons of jumpers and going to the basket for a lay ups. But if you say so - probably you mean that the assists counts even if the receiver dribbles the ball after the pass and sort of things. Well, I'm not against that system - it will help to compare NBA players performances to FIBA tournaments. As for Chomicius, well we talk about the impact since 1992, we have to agree, not on the level of a player (otherwise Ilgauskas would be all time NT player, or even Paulauskas, Lubinas), so Chomicius simply can't make it if we look this way.

[Mindozas]

Interesting. I didn't notice that. Didn't really care too much as all the games where freakin' thrillers. Outside Kalnietis, Satoransky, Teodosic no-one was putting some massive assists numbers (5-6 assists is normal even for previous FIBA rules). I thought Mantas is much more of a passing PG compared him to 2013 when he was taking tons of jumpers and going to the basket for a lay ups. But if you say so - probably you mean that the assists counts even if the receiver dribbles the ball after the ball and sort of things. Well, I'm not against that system - it will help to compare NBA players performances to FIBA tournaments. As for Chomicius, well we talk about the impact since 1992, we have to agree, not on the level of a player (otherwise Ilgauskas would be all time NT player, or even Paulauskas, Lubinas), so Chomicius simply can't make it if we look this way.

Ilgauskas is actually on my list if you would look at my all-time NT on first page Didn't put the ones like Paulauskas or Lubinas cause it was way before 1992 and couldn't measure how good they were in comparison with last 25 years. With Chomicius it's way easier and I'm counting not only his achievements with NT, but how good overall he was, I liked him more than Kalnietis and I think he was better, we also had discussion about it, so don't want to repeat myself
Regarding assists, yes, I mean even after receivers dribbled the ball, it still counted as assists in most of the cases I noticed, atleast regarding the players I followed and had in my manager team

[LuDux]

EC+OG+WC

1	1	Karnisovas A	820
2	2	Jasikevicius S	816
3	3	Kleiza L	707
4	4	Stombergas S	667
5	5	Sabonis A	606
6	6	Siskauskas R	588
7	7	Songaila D	563
8	8	Einikis G	556
10	9	Kalnietis M	547
9	10	Lavrinovic K	474
17	11	Maciulis J	467
20	12	Valanciunas J	438
11	13	Marciulionis S	434
12	14	Lavrinovic D	422
14	15	Javtokas R	413
13	16	Jasaitis S	409
15	17	Kaukenas R	370
22	18	Jankunas P	357
16	19	Macijauskas A	344
18	20	Pocius M	341
19	21	Zukauskas E	318
21	22	Kurtinaitis R	309
23	23	Seibutis R	300
24	24	Lukminas D	224
25	25	Zukauskas M	218
26	26	Adomaitis D	201
27	27	Delininkaitis T	193
38	28	Kuzminskas M	136
28	29	Praskevicius V	132
29	30	Timinskas M	123
29	30	Masiulis T	123
31	32	Motiejunas D	120
32	33	Petravicius M	117
33	34	Gustas G	90
34	35	Lukauskis M	76
35	36	Juškevičius A	74
36	37	Chomicius V	73
37	38	Krapikas G	63
38	39	Maskoliunas D	58
47	40	Kavaliauskas A	49
40	41	Gecevicius M	46
41	42	Ginevicius V	45
42	43	Marciulionis K	40
	44	Milaknis A	36
43	45	Jurkunas A	27
43	45	Klimavicius T	27
45	47	Jomantas A	25
46	48	Slanina D	24
48	49	Jovaisa S	22
48	49	Giedraitis A	22
50	51	Visockas A	21
50	51	Salenga D	21
52	53	Pacesas T	19
53	54	Vasiliauskas Š	18
54	55	Vaisvila R	15
55	56	Mazutis A	12
	56	Sabonis D	12
56	58	Markevicius G	11
57	59	Brazdauskis R	8
	59	Gailius D	8
58	61	Andriuskevicius M	7
58	61	Pazdrazdis A	7
60	63	Sestokas K	6
60	63	Serapinas S	6
	65	Lekavicius L	5
62	66	Dimavicius D	4
62	66	Prekevicius M	4
64	68	Silinskis D	2

[Straight forward]

If we are still talking about 1992 and onwards (like in the beginning of the thread), then maybe yes, it might be Maciulis...or M.Zukauskas, only then Jasaitis

I realised we have one really underrated payer in this thread. It's Timinskas. It's just that he had very inadequate NT career. But generally he was at the level of Maciulis/Zukauskas/Jasaitis at 3 spot and it would be hard to judge who's better. Speaking about NT impact now it's surely Karnisovas/Siskauskas/Stombergas/Maciulis and only than Jasaitis/Zukauskas.

[Mindozas]

I realised we have one really underrated payer in this thread. It's Timinskas. It's just that he had very inadequate NT career. But generally he was at the level of Maciulis/Zukauskas/Jasaitis at 3 spot and it would be hard to judge who's better. Speaking about NT impact now it's surely Karnisovas/Siskauskas/Stombergas/Maciulis and only than Jasaitis/Zukauskas.

Timinskas on his own forced us to underrate him He could easily play for NT way more years, he was really good in Sidney, we was one of couple bright things in 2001, where he and Siska tried to carry NT on their shoulders, but after that 2001 fiasco, he somehow lost interest and probably faith in NT. Well, before 2003 Eurobasket lot of people were kinda sceptical and cautious about our chances.
Overall, IMO he was even better than those 3 you mentioned. He had toughness of Maciulis, defense of Zukauskas, offensivelly maybe wasn't that great shooter like Jasaitis, but he was more versatile, explosive, also decent rebounder for a wing player. Timinskas in his peak would most likely be a starter in current NT, but probably as SG, he could play there too, at times he could even be a point forward

[Hepcat]

EC+OG+WC

1	1	Karnisovas A	820
2	2	Jasikevicius S	816
3	3	Kleiza L	707
4	4	Stombergas S	667
5	5	Sabonis A	606
6	6	Siskauskas R	588
7	7	Songaila D	563
8	8	Einikis G	556
10	9	Kalnietis M	547
9	10	Lavrinovic K	474
17	11	Maciulis J	467
20	12	Valanciunas J	438
11	13	Marciulionis S	434
12	14	Lavrinovic D	422
14	15	Javtokas R	413
13	16	Jasaitis S	409
15	17	Kaukenas R	370
22	18	Jankunas P	357
16	19	Macijauskas A	344
18	20	Pocius M	341
19	21	Zukauskas E	318
21	22	Kurtinaitis R	309
23	23	Seibutis R	300
24	24	Lukminas D	224
25	25	Zukauskas M	218
26	26	Adomaitis D	201
27	27	Delininkaitis T	193
38	28	Kuzminskas M	136
28	29	Praskevicius V	132
29	30	Timinskas M	123
29	30	Masiulis T	123
31	32	Motiejunas D	120
32	33	Petravicius M	117
33	34	Gustas G	90
34	35	Lukauskis M	76
35	36	Juškevičius A	74
36	37	Chomicius V	73
37	38	Krapikas G	63
38	39	Maskoliunas D	58
47	40	Kavaliauskas A	49
40	41	Gecevicius M	46
41	42	Ginevicius V	45
42	43	Marciulionis K	40
	44	Milaknis A	36
43	45	Jurkunas A	27
43	45	Klimavicius T	27
45	47	Jomantas A	25
46	48	Slanina D	24
48	49	Jovaisa S	22
48	49	Giedraitis A	22
50	51	Visockas A	21
50	51	Salenga D	21
52	53	Pacesas T	19
53	54	Vasiliauskas Š	18
54	55	Vaisvila R	15
55	56	Mazutis A	12
	56	Sabonis D	12
56	58	Markevicius G	11
57	59	Brazdauskis R	8
	59	Gailius D	8
58	61	Andriuskevicius M	7
58	61	Pazdrazdis A	7
60	63	Sestokas K	6
60	63	Serapinas S	6
	65	Lekavicius L	5
62	66	Dimavicius D	4
62	66	Prekevicius M	4
64	68	Silinskis D	2

Good input!

[auris1]

What is OG ?
And if it is you who made this table,can you included non scorers ? And games played ?
I meant Ludux

[LuDux]

What is OG ?

Olympic games

[LuDux]

What is OG ?
And if it is you who made this table,can you included non scorers ? And games played ?
I meant Ludux

http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=49770642064125827938&t=4977064206412582793850676

[Svajunas]

http://s000.tinyupload.com/download....12582793850676

thats a virus.

[LuDux]

thats a virus.

Not according to Avast and Trendmicro

[auris1]

Olympic games

I feel stupid. But i always was bad at remembering/guessing acronyms .
CSKA - central soviet club army?

http://www.cskabasket.com/history/?lang=en

Actually even now there is no explanation on that official CSKA webpage of what exactly them letters stands for.

[auris1]

thats a virus.

Looks like.

[Mindozas]

I feel stupid. But i always was bad at remembering/guessing acronyms .
CSKA - central soviet club army?

http://www.cskabasket.com/history/?lang=en

Actually even now there is no explanation on that official CSKA webpage of what exactly them letters stands for.

sport. centralnyj sportivnyj klub armiy (Central Sport Club of the Army)