All time NT

[auris1]

In stadium i managed to get like 5 or 6 players autografs.That book with them is still alive somewhere in my parents house.

Get it before its too late.
Your parents may never realise of how important its to you . My collection of sheet music I loved was misplaced or whatever , burned in the fire or just put on as wallpaper . Got like 50 percent back and my mum said - stop crying, its all looks the same anyway .

[Hepcat]

That's every man's story here in Canada and the United States. "My parents threw out all my comics, baseball and hockey cards and toys! They'd be worth $$$'s today!"

Of course. Nostalgia sets in for the items of our childhood. We seek them out now to somehow keep a bridge to our early years. But all those things - comics, cards, etc. - were regarded as simply junk at the time. They were accordingly mauled and then pitched out. So incredible demand today combined with very limited supply has resulted in unbelievably high prices.

[auris1]

That's every man's story here in Canada and the United States. "My parents threw out all my comics, baseball and hockey cards and toys! They'd be worth $$$'s today!"

Of course. Nostalgia sets in for the items of our childhood. We seek them out now to somehow keep a bridge to our early years. But all those things - comics, cards, etc. - were regarded as simply junk at the time. They were accordingly mauled and then pitched out. So incredible demand today combined with very limited supply has resulted in unbelievably high prices.

Sheet music though - value is sentimental and personal. I actually bough an accordion few years ago , 800 pounds no less , just to get that feeling again . Only played it once or twice. Nah. Another expensive mistake.

[Straight forward]

Kalnietis 20 assists away from becoming all time No.1 and leaving Jasikevičius behind. Most likely he should make it. In WC2019 he had 27.

[Shawshank]

Kalnietis and Jasikevicius will stay nr 1 and nr 2 in assists for very long time. Find another pg that will play with ltu jersey till 35 age and 30min a game in most tournaments thats hard to see anytime soon to have such skills and such dedication come every summer for like 15 years.

They will stay on that list like Stockton and Kidd stays in nba all time assist list.

from historic stand point that group of players of 2010-2016 stands high in all time list:

in pts scored Kalnietis is 6th,Kleiza 7th,Valanciunas 9th,Maciulis 10th,Javtokas 17th,Jankunas 18th,Seibutis 19th and Kuzminskas will make to top 20 soon.

by games played : Maciulis 4th, Kalnietis 5th,Javtokas 6th,Jankunas 10th,Valanciunas 14th,Seibutis 15th,Kleiza 16th,Kuzminskas 19th

Valanciunas needs 97reb to become all time rebounder leader overcoming Sabonis. Valanciunas already is all time leader in blocks.

When Valanciunas will finish with ltu jersey around 2024-2026 he will be leading rebounder,leading blocker,atleast top 5 in scored points and games played in ltu nt record books.

Biggest diffrence from main players in 00s and 10s was that latter one hard to find examples where somebody declined invitations to play for NT. Thats why they are higher of some 00s players on record lists.

All biggest stars in 00s decline some invitations being not even 30 old age and not being injured.

Kalnietis,Maciulis,Valanciunas trio combined since 2010 missed 2 tournaments. Mantas missed 2014 wc because he broke his hand 5 days before champ in last friendly game and Maciulis missed 2011 because got second worst injury basketball player can have.

[Straight forward]

I hope you wrong and our new generation will remain loyal to the NT. Jokubaitis should start his NT career as 20,7yo, so more or less when Kalnietis and Jasikevicius started. A. Marciulionis and Velicka don't seem to avoid NT either. Their numbers won't be surpassed even when some of these new comers will be ending their careers most likely. First, both Šaras and Kalnietis were the only high level PGs on their generation. Kalnietis was actually almost the only guy who could put the ball on the flour in entire team...Second, no-one in new generation will play 34min as Kalnietis did many times for the NT. Our rotation should be broader and incomparably more quality.


Didn't get your second argument about your beloved generation This generation does not stand out at all and not even stand high, but you're just hyping it for some reason. They are great guys, dedicated fighters and so on and they won respect and hearts of the fans, but from any possible angle looking it's the worst generation of three major ones - 90's, 00's, 10's. Not a single guy among top 5 scorers, not a single guy among top 5 FTs made, only one guy (5th) among top 5 2FGM, only one guy (5th) among 3pts FGM. I understand it's your favorite generation, but try to have at least minimum objectivity. You literally naming 6th, 7th and so on in scored points. Then most games played also guys from other generations (Einikis, Jasikevicius, Stombergas, while Rooney and Sabas simply couldn't play for the NT early on). You got confused.

[Shawshank]

I hope you wrong and our new generation will remain loyal to the NT. Jokubaitis should start his NT career as 20,7yo, so more or less when Kalnietis and Jasikevicius started. A. Marciulionis and Velicka don't seem to avoid NT either. Their numbers won't be surpassed even when some of these new comers will be ending their careers most likely. First, both Šaras and Kalnietis were the only high level PGs on their generation. Kalnietis was actually almost the only guy who could put the ball on the flour in entire team...Second, no-one in new generation will play 34min as Kalnietis did many times for the NT. Our rotation should be broader and incomparably more quality.


Didn't get your second argument about your beloved generation This generation does not stand out at all and not even stand high, but you're just hyping it for some reason. They are great guys, dedicated fighters and so on and they won respect and hearts of the fans, but from any possible angle looking it's the worst generation of three major ones - 90's, 00's, 10's. Not a single guy among top 5 scorers, not a single guy among top 5 FTs made, only one guy (5th) among top 5 2FGM, only one guy (5th) among 3pts FGM. I understand it's your favorite generation, but try to have at least minimum objectivity. You literally naming 6th, 7th and so on in scored points. Then most games played also guys from other generations (Einikis, Jasikevicius, Stombergas, while Rooney and Sabas simply couldn't play for the NT early on). You got confused.

To reach those Jasikevicius and Kalnietis asist numbers pg have to start today and maybe around 2033 if will play every summer and one of them will become seriuos pgs maybe can chalenge that.But if they gonna share minutes and pg duties no chance catching those asissts numbers.

I just said facts what is written on records books. Where exactly i was wrong?

Valanciunas will make top 5 list dont worry if u judging just by who makes top5 or not.Kalnietis needs 85 pts this summer to make 5th place too.

i already said those 90s offensive numbers is not fair to judge because 6-7 players was only playing and 5 scoring all team points.

Obviuosly when only 5 people scores they have 4 of 5 highest scoring averages ever. Only Macijauskas managed to squeze in top 5 who played not in 90.

By played games Kalnietis and Maciulis already are in top5 + this summer.

Valanciunas have a chance make nr 1 spot by played games one day just with main tournaments games.When other top 10 players have around 10-20 qualification games included.Which nba players dont have possibility to play.

I would like to see list of only main tournaments not counting qualifications games thats were lots of Einikis and Karnisovas scored points comes againts alot weaker competion compared to main tournaments.

I just say facts i see 6 players (Javtokas not counting) from 10s being in top 20 by scored points in all time list.

This is not some projections about kids that havent did nothing yet,it simply facts of what already happend.

If facts doesnt go with your imagination how things was that not my problem.

[Straight forward]

I just say facts i see 6 players (Javtokas not counting) from 10s being in top 20 by scored points in all time list.

It's 5. Kleiza played 4 tournaments in 00s and only 3 in 10's. His stint with 00s generation is longer. So that leaves minority of top scorers for that generation and none of them among top 5.

[Straight forward]

i already said those 90s offensive numbers is not fair to judge because 6-7 players was only playing and 5 scoring all team points.
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And to be honest, it's about time you let go this completely pathetic argument. FOA, do you think that any player from 00s or 10s thrown to Rooney's or Sabonis' shoes would be dropping same numbers? Good luck with that (I guess 90s NBA was crap as well, cause Rooney was dropping 20ppg on them as well) Then if playing a lot with crappy rotation means that your numbers are not as worthy, so we should undervalue Kalnietis' numbers as well because he played tons and had no substitutes and complete freedom. Then, if only in 90s such travesty is possible that 5 players would score most points (the level according to you was incomparable..) then how to the hell Ginobily and few other guys was dominating 00s, how 3,5 players of Slovenia won Eurobasket (the one "where even bench players are more athletic and stronger than most 90s startera"), how 7 Argentinians grabbed silver in 2019? And if Doncic will come to Kaunas and will drop 30/12/10, it will be not fair to give him credit? You gotta stop it, bruh.

[madmax]

And to be honest, it's about time you let go this completely pathetic argument. FOA, do you think that any player from 00s or 10s thrown to Rooney's or Sabonis' shoes would be dropping same numbers? Good luck with that (I guess 90s NBA was crap as well, cause Rooney was dropping 20ppg on them as well) Then if playing a lot with crappy rotation means that your numbers are not as worthy, so we should undervalue Kalnietis' numbers as well because he played tons and had no substitutes and complete freedom. Then, if only in 90s such travesty is possible that 5 players would score most points (the level according to you was incomparable..) then how to the hell Ginobily and few other guys was dominating 00s, how 3,5 players of Slovenia won Eurobasket (the one "where even bench players are more athletic and stronger than most 90s startera"), how 7 Argentinians grabbed silver in 2019? And if Doncic will come to Kaunas and will drop 30/12/10, it will be not fair to give him credit? You gotta stop it, bruh.

first and foremost, Rooney was never dropping 20 ppg in the NBA, not even in an uptempo Warriors side of the early 90's (the best he managed was 18.9 in the early defense-less 90's)
second of all, modern players are all WAY more professional towards their approach to the game as compared to their lazy cigar smoking peers of the 90's (do I need to show those clips of Jordan smoking cigars and gambling non-stop after winning NBA titles?) Probably not, as all of the older NBA fans remember those days and the laid-back attitude of all players. No need to remind how our own Sabonis torn his achilles either, being a party animal himself and not finding the stairs when being intoxidated. Those were the days of amateur basketball and there's no need to paint different nostalgic picture now

[Straight forward]

first and foremost, Rooney was never dropping 20 ppg in the NBA, not even in an uptempo Warriors side of the early 90's (the best he managed was 18.9 in the early defense-less 90's)
second of all, modern players are all WAY more professional towards their approach to the game as compared to their lazy cigar smoking peers of the 90's (do I need to show those clips of Jordan smoking cigars and gambling non-stop after winning NBA titles?) Probably not, as all of the older NBA fans remember those days and the laid-back attitude of all players. No need to remind how our own Sabonis torn his achilles either, being a party animal himself and not finding the stairs when being intoxidated. Those were the days of amateur basketball and there's no need to paint different nostalgic picture now

What defense less 90s? What are you even talking about? Hand check rule existed back that, dudes were shoving, pushing, holding, bumping into each other. This rule was banned in 2003. Todays NBA has much less defence compared to those times.

Oh, some conspiracy theories about how Sabonis torn his achilles...I love conspiracy theories freaks, I mean I love to avoid them.

[madmax]

What defense less 90s? What are you even talking about? Hand check rule existed back that, dudes were shoving, pushing, holding, bumping into each other. This rule was banned in 2003. Todays NBA has much less defence compared to those times.

Oh, some conspiracy theories about how Sabonis torn his achilles...I love conspiracy theories freaks, I mean I love to avoid them.

oh yeah, how could I have forgotten - Sabonis is a saint in lithuanian fans eyes and he could not have possibly screwed up his career by partying too much in the middle 80's No no no, it must have been some alien probably who torn that damn achilles...or maybe a soviet spy, because it definitely didn't happen on the basketball court

[Straight forward]

oh yeah, how could I have forgotten - Sabonis is a saint in lithuanian fans eyes and he could not have possibly screwed up his career by partying too much in the middle 80's No no no, it must have been some alien probably who torn that damn achilles...or maybe a soviet spy, because it definitely didn't happen on the basketball court

Did you saw how it happened? No. Do you have any facts that would prove how it happened? No.

[Shawshank]

Kleiza is definitely 10s groups player he played with 85 since his youth days.He was super tallented offensive kid that played with Sharas generation from bench in 00s.His best years and both all tournaments performances comes in 10s.

I don't argue about Marciulionis and Sabonis numbers.I argue about Kurtinaitis and Karnisovas numbers and time in history were 4 players only scoring our team was winning 1/4 and semifinal games .

7 players got minutes, 4 players plays like 35 min ( usually Sabonis 40 ,Marciulionis 38) and 4 players scores all teams points that what boxscore says about our 1992-1996 NT close playoof games .

When we look video Garastas plays alot zone defence to save energy of players and giving lots of half open treepointers that 90s players was hitting on bad %.

Game was totally different, today such not moving defence would be murdered in djordjevic 95 style hitting multiple 3s by best players.If coach wants to play more seriuos defence teams need to use more than 6 players.

Historically Karnisovas,Kleiza,Siskauskas is in same bracket ,but first one has way bigger average because played in 90s with 4 players scoring and lots of qualification games in 90s.

Kurtinaitis in that period was 32-36 old when scored all those points and he is top 5 scorer in ltu basketball history yeah right

[Straight forward]

Kleiza is definitely 10s groups player he played with 85 since his youth days.He was super tallented offensive kid that played with Sharas generation from bench in 00s.His best years and both all tournaments performances comes in 10s.

We talk about when player played, not when he was born. We had facts how our 90's, 00's, 10's generations looked, and Kleiza snatched 3 tournaments in 10's, that it. He scored a bit more point in 10s (379pts) than 00's (328pts), but he was doing that for much weaker teams as well in 10's. He's in the middle of those generations and he played more tournaments in 00's. We talk only facts here, nothing else matters. If doesn't matter how good could D-Mo potentially be, it doesn't matter how many great tournaments could Kleiza have if healthy. It doesn't matter now, we have what we had.

I don't argue about Marciulionis and Sabonis numbers.I argue about Kurtinaitis and Karnisovas numbers and time in history were 4 players only scoring our team was winning 1/4 and semifinal games .

7 players got minutes, 4 players plays like 35 min ( usually Sabonis 40 ,Marciulionis 38) and 4 players scores all teams points that what boxscore says about our 1992-1996 NT close playoof games .

When we look video Garastas plays alot zone defence to save energy of players and giving lots of half open treepointers that 90s players was hitting on bad %.

Game was totally different, today such not moving defence would be murdered in djordjevic 95 style hitting multiple 3s by best players.If coach wants to play more seriuos defence teams need to use more than 6 players.

Historically Karnisovas,Kleiza,Siskauskas is in same bracket ,but first one has way bigger average because played in 90s with 4 players scoring and lots of qualification games in 90s.

Kurtinaitis in that period was 32-36 old when scored all those points and he is top 5 scorer in ltu basketball history yeah right

And you underrate Kurtinaitis and Karnisovas highly. Don't look just at 1995 final where all key players were tired already. Watch some of 1992 games, that team legit defensively, the hands where really active, they stole and deflected many possessions, it was generally a great team at both ends. Sure, there's differences between 90s and today's ballgame, but you highly underrate 90s.

Your argument about playing time is also suspect. Kurtinaitis actually was still heck of a player in his 32-34. These players were balling so much because they could do that. They not only played a lot, but they were good with those minutes and it lead to wins. In other words, you play as much only if you are really good. Look at 2019 WC, Campazzo and Scola played 30mpg, that happens even in today's game. If 90's had 4 players who could play 35min, it means we had 4 great players. It's not because Garastas was saving their ass, it's because they were great If you can play tons of minutes, it's good, it's great. Not everyone can do it and that's why they can be just a role players. You undervalue Kurtinaitis points just because he was old? That's ridiculous. So Argentina won silver 2019 only in their dreams? That didn't happen? Cause you know they were lead by a grandpa and it wasn't 90's, so that never happened, right? There's 7 players in 2019 WC who played at least 33 minutes, 22 players who played more than 30 minutes. Your idea that 90's was a walk in the park and thus players could play so much is false. Even in today's FIBA game players as Mils, Ingles, Satoransky, Schroder, Delly and so on play 30min and other key players are close to that. The difference isn't that big. It's funny that when a guy is good, and he actually earns his minutes and huge role because he is good, you come and undervalue this achievement. You mixed up the achievement and brilliance with weakness.