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  • current best 10 players for me is more less is 2019 NT players+Gudaitis .I thought that team collected all our best players right now.More less all of them were/could be euroleague calibre players in one or other role.

    Interesting would be to see how they gonna rank 10-20 places is where you could rank in diffrent ways and all of them would have their cases .Thats were ltu eurocup material players is now and trying to make jump to higher level and making more seriuos knocks on NT door too+ some declining veterans.

    My ranking of second ltu team today would look like that:

    11.J.Maciulis
    12.P.Jankunas
    13.A.Milaknis
    14.A.Juskevicius
    15.R.Jokubaitis
    16.A.Kulboka
    17.E.Bendzius
    18.G.Masiulis
    19.T.Dimsa
    20.I.Brazdeikis (but just speculation i have no idea how he would look in normal basketball game)

    this is players i see having chance getting invite in 2021 olympic camp atleats how things is looking now.But alot will depend what season they will have in 2020/2021.


    when we will bring one the best entire europes frontcourts that is set to play together till 2024 Olympics in Valanciunas,Sabonis,Gudaitis

    such players like Geben,Birutis,Motiejunas,Echodas im very skeptical about their chances and cant rank them high ,unless one of them could play PF and make some long shots.We dont need 4th bruiser who plays only inside.Even 3 is too much for todays game.
    Last edited by Shawshank; 05-13-2020, 02:27 PM.

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    • ShSh, I think not only Maciulis, but surely also Seibutis falls out from top 10. God knows what's left from Seibutis, but surely not much. While we actually saw how much left from Maciulis in windows. He's done and all that "dragging" and mumbling out of respect got out of hand. He's ain't 2021 NT material. I actually think at the end of the day Jankunas still showed most life out of veterans. He had like three solid EL games before virus broke out. He was putting some shit together. Not saying that he's 2021 NT material, no, but hierarchy would go like this, IM0 - Jankunas>Maciulis>Seibutis
      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
      Buzelis, Lelevicius
      Murauskas, Sirvydis
      Tubelis, Krivas

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      • I have a feeling Sedekerskis gets underrated. The conception that there's something substantially wrong with him stuck a little in some people's minds. He got a solid season, efficiency wise huge season, he has physicality, has D, has all around game and he seen levels of basketball, be it small stretches with Baskonia. He was balling for top LKL team and ended up 7 most valuable player of the league, third most efficient from top clubs (after Sakic and Leday). As a matter of fact, I would have Jokubaitis, Kulboka, Sedekerskis, Brazdeikis as most ready and nearest to the NT youngsters overall (assuming Echodas doesn't stand a chance because of completely filled position). Really would love to see him in Rytas next season, playing in Eurocup.
        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
        Buzelis, Lelevicius
        Murauskas, Sirvydis
        Tubelis, Krivas

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        • Maskoliunas used Maciulis as pf in those 2 games and played him not some limited minutes either.I gues coach liked his change everything in defence with him againts Czechs .He was playing in 4th querter of that game when game turned around with Jokubaitis,Birutis,Butkevicius,Maciulis those were main faces in 4 querter that defensively stopped Czechs finally .Only Bendzius offensive show let NT stay close in first 3 querters when team defence with Dmo+Bendzius was horrible.

          WC 2019 neither of them played well.But Maciulis was playing way more over Jankunas because from both of them Jonas is more mobile at this old age at that matter alot in defence when NT have limited team to prepare.

          Seibutis I always loved how that men competed, but after very seriuos back injury at this age it's very unlikely we gonna see him on high level again.I don't see him in top 20 ltu anymore.

          Health wise Maciulis is by far most stable from those 3 veterans is not even close.Health means alot at their age.

          I give Maciulis best chance to still go strong enough to called by Maskoliunas after one year.When other 2 could even retire in 2021 summer if you ask me.

          But it's possibly that neither of those 3 veterans will be in.Maciulis in podcast said he don't see himself finishing his career in some random lkl team like lavro bros did.
          Last edited by Shawshank; 05-13-2020, 04:52 PM.

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          • Competence or not, they overrate Rytas a lot (and Zalgiris in case of Lukosiunas). Strengh of Lietkabelis and Rytas very similar. Bickauskis and Normantas have similar roles and stats in similar minutes, Bickauskis #37, Normantas 0 points. Lipkevicius stats almost twice better than Sirvydis, one #48 other top 35
            The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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            • Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
              But it's possibly that neither of those 3 veterans will be in.Maciulis in podcast said he don't see himself finishing his career in some random lkl team like lavro bros did.
              It's absolutely most realistic possibility. I even stick to my position that our NT staff already this season (windows) underrated Kulboka, Sedekerskis (Did Maciulis and Bendzius played well? No. Maciulis was bleak and irrelevant in both games, Bendzius scored in one game, but sucked at D for good in both games). First has put better numbers at 10 times better ACB league than Maciulis' in A1 Greek. Other has put 14,2eff rating which is huge for a 21/22yo. In comparison, Maciulis at this age (nor even in Nevezis) never put such efficiency in LKL and his best is 15,4eff in his prime. Ulanovas never had such rating, nor even in Pieno Zvaigzdes or Neptunas. Kuz never got even close to this in Zalgiris. Let alone Bendzius, he's not putting such efficiency in his prime. Stats are not everything, but the fact is that the studs are growing and with this upcoming season I can basically see all Kulboka, Sedekerskis and probably Masiulis prevailing and pushing out washed out veterans. Even if they wouldn't, our veterans simply can't bring what NT team needs any more. So it's meaningless. Take up and coming studs, at least you'll seed for the nearest future at worst. We are in that kind of situation. It's really not the case of Saras, Kaukenas, Songaila in 2012. Those still had much more game left. 2021 would be more of funeral for current vets than realistic campaign of competition.
              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
              Buzelis, Lelevicius
              Murauskas, Sirvydis
              Tubelis, Krivas

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              • Comon Bendzius played well against Czech when you score 25pts its impossible to ignore that I hate his defence,but men can give NT that is needed badly and not that one game all previuos windows also.Maskoliunas talks highly about him.

                Maciulis defensive is still good defender at PF position even at this age.Way better than Bendzius,Kulbokas or Masiulis kinds way better.Simply he is alot stronger and smarter.

                reading your comment it seems Maciulis is playing in some greek 3rd league Maciulis last season played for 2nd best Greek team in standings ,that won greek cup ,made top 8 in champions league before it was cancelled and Jonas was playing in starting 5 all season long without no injuries at all.

                That AEK team roster wise is not worse than Bilboa team.Kulboka himself said nobody believed in them before season that they ended in 5th spot in acb was huge suprise even for themselfs and cinderella storys hard to repeat 2 years.Roster wise Kulbokas team wasnt 5th best acb team,just everything clicked for them this season chemistry wise.

                Put even todays Maciulis in lkl in any other team not called zalgiris we would average 10+pts no doubt in my mind.He simply would overpower inside those lkl players not counting centers like he did his entire career.

                Ulanovas was asked recently where did you learn those back your smaller opponenet that no small forwards playing like that anymore.Answer was Jonas Maciulis that half season they played in Baltai together and had guard Maciulis inside over and over again.

                Health wise Maciulis,Kalnietis,Milaknis are still in good health so i dont erase them yet from next summer Olympics and we will see how they gonna look in 2020-2021.Those 3 veterans can plays positions where NT need help.

                But i dont believe in Jankunas and Seibutis health anymore.

                there are players that finishes career because body is saying no more.Maciulis had such body that most likely he will decide not to play anymore in Lietkabelis type teams for nothing "ale Jasaitis" by his standarts and will retire because of his own desicion,not because his body would say no more... atleast i got such idea listening to his interview in 2020.

                Sedekerskis kid is not seriuos talks.He has no chance in 2021 olympic summer.I dont need his numbers i saw his passive body language all season long.He needs coach that gonna demand for him badly,he reminds young Kuzminskas with unique body and very low self-confidence.Such players usually take off after 25th birthday ,because of intraverted type character it takes longer for them to finally show true strenght they have.

                Btw Maciulis at Kulbokas and Sedekerkis age 22 was leader on universiada 2007 winner team and made loaded big time Ltu nt in 2007.So your comparisons just in number that kulboka and sedekerskis is doing something very special at age of 22 is not correct.

                They are promissing players yes, but not more. Ltu history have seen better 21-22 old youngsters.

                NT right now 2021-2023 is ready for winning with peaking 1992-1994 players,coach needs to add pieces that can give best help in limited minutes for main group,no experiments in olympic summer.
                Last edited by Shawshank; 05-14-2020, 01:47 PM.

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                • To me Bendzius simply sucks too much at D. And his shooting is still streaky.

                  Maciulis may have still an edge over Kulboka, Sedekerskis defensively wise, but it's really not that much if any. His agility, ability to cover wide areas as he used to do in 2015 is all gone. His fundamentals still here, defensive IQ and shit, but his physicality and agility declined. Bilboa uses unique D with help defense from strong side, and Kulboka provided impressive help defence, flexibility and motor. I hope you seen him playing and not just speculating from your impressions from Youth level. Overall I think Kulboka is already more interesting and stronger piece than Maciulis.

                  You're too harsh on Sedekerskis. He has problems with offensive swagger, but he does tons of hard work which you overlooked. He always hustle, that's how he garbs 5,4 rebs (in comparison to taller Masiulis 4.1), he can defend multiple positions from 1-4. Comparison with Kuz is out of hand because Sedekerskis already has a tough body, not only athletic. Kuz had athletic, but soft body, while Sedekerskis doesn't mind contact. Also, Kuz never had defensive motor, while Sedekerskis has great defensive motor. Sure, lack of swagger overall is here, but he does so many and is able to score +8 points with only 5 shots, that's very nice. To say that he doesn't stand a chance to make NT in 2021 is out of hand. IMO, he is growing into most universal defensive player of the country. There's no other who would have such a decent shot at 1-4 positions as Sedekerskis. Butkevicius and Ulanovas are too small for 4 position.

                  Universiada? Wasn't that a bunch of youngsters? I mean, Maciulis never even was a standout as Sedekerskis was in Youth level. As well as Kulboka who was actually drafted. Both Sedekerskis and Kulboka have much higher upside as a prospects than Maciulis. That's not even a question. I mean Maciulis reached everything with blood, sweet and swagger. He never was treated as some big prospect, but managed to reach real high in his career. Sedekerskis and Kuboka were projected as late first rounders for quite few years, Tadas had funny numbers in all stages of youth tournaments, specially U16 21/8/5. Kluboka also was droppoing 16ppg at U18. Maciulis never had such numbers. If you think that Maciulis was better prospect (ever) than Sedekerskis or Kulboka you are lost. Maciulis was more of a Kozys type of prospect, even their Youth numbers are similar. Hard nose, tough, hard worker, fighter who tends to compensate the lack of talent and skill with huge swagger.
                  Shaw, you're not very good at evaluating the perspective of young players. You badly missed on Marciulionis, calling him a bust this summer and tend to make tons of mistakes, usually overrating some established players a bit and missing out on potential some prospects possess (conservative swagger, tendency to think that everything was better in the past and future changes for the worst). In terms of a prospects, Maciulis career is upper floor for both Kulboka and Sedekerskis. Both have higher ceiling than Maciulis.
                  Last edited by Straight forward; 05-14-2020, 03:13 PM.
                  LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                  Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                  Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                  Buzelis, Lelevicius
                  Murauskas, Sirvydis
                  Tubelis, Krivas

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                  • Kozys 13.0 pt for 5th u20 team
                    Maciulis 14.6 pt for 2nd u20 team
                    The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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                    • Originally posted by LuDux View Post
                      Kozys 13.0 pt for 5th u20 team
                      Maciulis 14.6 pt for 2nd u20 team
                      More like we should be putting like this:

                      Kozys 13 / 6.6 / 2.1
                      Maciulis 14,6 / 6.1 / 1

                      That's rather similar performances. I find their games very similar, but off course Maciulis was a bit better prospect.
                      LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                      Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                      Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                      Buzelis, Lelevicius
                      Murauskas, Sirvydis
                      Tubelis, Krivas

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                      • Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                        More like we should be putting like this:

                        Kozys 13 / 6.6 / 2.1
                        Maciulis 14,6 / 6.1 / 1

                        That's rather similar performances. I find their games very similar, but off course Maciulis was a bit better prospect.
                        So can we expect a bit less than 30 points in EC elimination game in late 2020s from Kozys?
                        The Moon Is A SCAM(http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm)!

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                        • Originally posted by LuDux View Post
                          So can we expect a bit less than 30 points in EC elimination game in late 2020s from Kozys?
                          Possible. He has that lust to launch three point bombs as well Unlikely though. BTW, I'm not sure how many people would had voted before EB 2015 that Maciulis will drop 34pts, or that he will ever do that while playing for the NT...It come quite as a pleasant surprise.
                          LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                          Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                          Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                          Buzelis, Lelevicius
                          Murauskas, Sirvydis
                          Tubelis, Krivas

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                          • Ok, you passed me new task. Best individual NT performances ever. Some-one beats Maciulis 34 points, 6 Rebounds, 3 Assists and 4 Steals? Let's check it out.
                            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                            Buzelis, Lelevicius
                            Murauskas, Sirvydis
                            Tubelis, Krivas

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                            • Marciulionis 1992 - 29pts, 10a, 6rbs, 3st. I think his most dominant and complete game.
                              Sabonis 1992 - 31pts, 13rebs, 5st, 4bs, 2a.
                              Kleiza 2010 - 33pts, 7rbs, 4a, 3st.

                              There's like thirty point games by Karnisovas, Macijauskas, Siskauskas, but those weren't filling much anything else than scoring in these games. So I think Sabonis, Marciulionis, Sabonis and Maciulis have best individual performances unless I forgeting something.
                              LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                              Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                              Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                              Buzelis, Lelevicius
                              Murauskas, Sirvydis
                              Tubelis, Krivas

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                              • When you see that Sedekerskis is placed at number 38, and then a dead basketball player called Martynas Gecevičius pops at number 34.. Jeez.


                                Sirvydis, Kupšas, Dulkys, Gecevičius, Bičkauskis. Apparently those guys are all better than Tadas. Well, I think I'm paying a bit too much attention at this shitfest of a ranking, but hey, they got a pretty solid reach and they can easily affect people that are not that much interested in basketball.

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