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  • Svajunas
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    Omg you haters are horrible. Picking his worst games to point out, but are quiet when he is dominating.
    Don't understand this hate. Well in Torukos case he is obviously suffering from small dick syndrome.

    Anyway, Sabonis seems to be picking up after slow start, will be interesting to see how far this team will go.

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  • Toruko
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    Sabonis was horrible!

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  • Shawshank
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    But best lithuanias rebounder still outrebounded best worlds rebounder in less minutes like manny times before.

    Yes rebounding will not be a problem .Domas plays or not best lithuanian rebounder always makes NT top 5 rebounding team in fiba.


    But when those bigs is playign with mediocre euroleague backups that cant close no games.Good rebounding wasnt enough to beat elite NTs that have guards providing 20+pts performances in critical games
    Last edited by Shawshank; 01-08-2024, 05:08 PM.

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  • Straight forward
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    Rebounding won't be a problem at all in 2024. Lithuania will top OG at rebounding, just as Lithuania topped Eurobasket 2022. Now it's even more dominant with Sedekerskis. Heading forward, Buzelis playing at 3 and Rubstavicius at 2 will only increase LTUs rebounding dominance. And those long athletic wingspans from 2 to 4 (Rubsta, Buzelis, Sedas) will also give LTU defensive thickness and a lot of deflections. Put Marciulionis at 1 and you have really good defensive unit 1-4, which also can ball offensively. So that's promising.

    But my problem is, we suck defensively at 5. OK, rebounding is a part of good thing, but in pick and roll situations both JV and Sabonis are nearly equally vulnerable. JV off course more, cause he even got more slow with time. But Sabonis also specially vulnerable there (he's a bit better in ISO defense higher compared to JV). This is the only huge problem for LTU heading forward, as we will have everything else needed, IMO.

    The bad news that Tubelis is really inconsistent defender, lacking a bit of instincts and better lateral quickness. He chase down game is amazing, he can really thrive there, but he's struggling with close outs, with the consistency of motor and so on. Sometimes he is simply sleepy and unmotivated to work hard. He tends to save energy for offense at D end you have to make 100% reads to do that, and for Tubelis it's not the case, at least ATM.

    Now Krivas shows huge strides at both ends as a rookie and he underplayed actually. He gets a lot credit, and his awareness in the D end is pretty good. When JV will retire, Krivas will bring that elite rebounding, nearly in the same fashion as Valanciunas. That's good. Good that he will also play better pick and roll defense and not much worse ISO post defense. The problem is that his ability to step out will also be limited, just as JVs. He will be slightly better at it, but not much. Nevertheless, I think Krivas impact will be slightly more positive than JVs overall, because defensively Krivas will surely be superior and offensively he can also be very good with more ability to play within the flow which is huge problem for JV. JV is a tempo shutter and a ball stopper. You have to play through him and shut down your tempo and ball movement to get the best of him. Krivas knows how to adjust to the flow much more naturally, that's why I welcome his 10-18mpg presence in the NT, probably starting with 2027.

    What I would like to see is the 5 with absolutely non questionable mobility for modern basketball and natural defensive instincts. This would make LTU super hard nut to crack. But there's no such player ATM. I will want to evaluate Raupelis and Butajevas progress this summer though. They are interesting mobile bigs potentially.

    From Sabonis, I just expect being more solid, settled down, playing within the proper pace, not missing wide open lay ups, being more efficient and precise with his action. He was a bit off his rhythm in the NT thus far, and he just needs to show that recent improvement. He doesn't need to score a lot, just move the ball, set quick good screens, dominate inside when there's opportunity, provide that athleticism. I want 16ppg, 10rpg, 7apg from Sabonis in 2024 with slightly improved defense. That would be really good contribution in FIBA for Sabonis.

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  • Shawshank
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    Best lithuanias rebounder of last 15 years outrebounded best world rebounder in less playing time again like manny times before.

    Valanciunas 22min 12reb Sabonis 29min 10reb


    This season Pelicans beat small ball Kings style 4-0 and mainly because they dominates underbasket as a team like Looney did in 2023 playoofs vs Kings .

    Tonight 51-25 in team rebounding. Game slows down in playoofs,loosing rebouding so badly kings small,skilled guards like Fox better score 40pts and Monk 30pts to overcome such beating under the glass.


    In 4 matchup between Jonas and Domas cold stats says: Sabonis played every time more minutes but only in 1 from 4 game grabbed more rebounds than Valanciunas did in less minutes.

    I already shown cold stats from NT reboudings of 2019-2023.


    best lithuanias rebounder > best worlds rebounder in this area according to stats.

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  • Shawshank
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    Enbas podcast even Domantas fan is saying stats 20+20 is looking like monster type game,but when you watch game there is very seriuos problem that nobody is defending him near free thrown line.

    In regular season marathon with no preparation flying from arena to other teams dont take attention to detail they just play basketball


    Playoofs will start and we will see same problems like we saw in fiba and nba playoofs.


    Domantas is 20pts average offensive players right? Im telling u right now Kleiza was 3 times more dangerous offensive player with his 10pts nba average. Even Valanci8unas is more dangerous offensive player and thats why he always averages more pts in fiba.

    Change any coach he wont fix problem ,if team leader that has ball alot is alergic to even look at the basket being wide open 4 meters from baskets.


    Its real weakness unlikely any coach will be able to hide it and prepared opponnets gonna hit in that place again and again
    Last edited by Shawshank; 01-04-2024, 07:49 PM.

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  • Straight forward
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    Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post

    But he started to do this not so long time ago. Like couple of years? I embraced much bigger amount of time - basically all his career since he debuted in NT.
    Nope. He has been doing that for 8 seasons in NBA already.

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  • Dreamcatcher
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    Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
    All NBA community cares about it and players care.
    Of course they do. Sometimes it's funny and ridiculous.

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  • Dreamcatcher
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    Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

    Once Sabonis started to put up ALL STAR stats, he has been playing entirely a center. I think conclusions are obvious here.
    But he started to do this not so long time ago. Like couple of years? I embraced much bigger amount of time - basically all his career since he debuted in NT.

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  • Straight forward
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    Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    Regarding the fact that JV always got luxury playing at 5, it's also because he always used to be a pure center. Whereas Domantas long time played both 4 and 5 not only in NT. In Unicaja he played 4, in NCAA both 4 and 5, in Pacers i think as well... So, of course JV as a real and undoubtful center always played 5. Whereas it always was in mind Sabonis can be put in 4 simply because he played pf so much time in different teams. So, he couldn't move JV from 5 also because of that.
    Once Sabonis started to put up ALL STAR stats, he has been playing entirely a center. I think conclusions are obvious here.

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  • Dreamcatcher
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    Regarding the fact that JV always got luxury playing at 5, it's also because he always used to be a pure center. Whereas Domantas long time played both 4 and 5 not only in NT. In Unicaja he played 4, in NCAA both 4 and 5, in Pacers i think as well... So, of course JV as a real and undoubtful center always played 5. Whereas it always was in mind Sabonis can be put in 4 simply because he played pf so much time in different teams. So, he couldn't move JV from 5 also because of that.

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  • Straight forward
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    Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post
    I think when it's related to NBA, only play off should be considered seriously.
    This is different topic, bro. I agree generally and that's why I doubt Domas can be a game changer for NT. He just needs to help much more than he previously did, that's all I ask. But I like those regular season records and awards, that matters. All NBA community cares about it and players care. Remember how Jordan was pissed not getting MVP one season, Malone grabbed it I think, and he was totally pissed. Regular season is still NBA competition. Lebron can't win a ball game now. Lakers lost 8 games out of 10 and they are risking to miss the playoffs. While PO is different animal, but regular season matters. It's fan that Sabonis was rebounding champion last season and has a good chance to be this one two. F.e. Rodman became 7 times rebounding champ. I would be super nice if Sabonis finishes his NBA career having 4-5 rebounding champ titles. To me those things matters, just as Ilgauskas 2 times All Star appearances. It's fun and it adds to LTU basketball legacy.

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  • Straight forward
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    If some haters wanna now why Sabonis is the best rebounder in the planet, it's because not only he's a great rebounder, but he also can play 46 minutes of action. Slow and chubby JV never had that stamina, it's impossible for him. Sabonis is playing 35-36mpg all season long without any absences basically with the same extreme motor and toughness. That's what makes him the best. 46 freakin' minutes for Domas and huge line again 22/23/12. He's averaging 21rpg and 9,3apg in last 3 games.

    Huge win for Kings. Monk is becoming different player. Kings pretty deep. If they will shoot the ball well in playoffs they can get deep. Not sure it's a good news for the NT though...

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  • Dreamcatcher
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    Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
    To me NBA rebounding leader is the best rebounder in the world.
    I think when it's related to NBA, only play off should be considered seriously.

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  • Straight forward
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    This comparison is a joke. Lithuania played against full fledged Slovenia, France, Germany, Spain in EB 2022. That was the most hardcore schedule in a long time.

    Yes, Maksvytis did try to give certain things to Domas and didn't use him as a stretch 4, but when there's JV on the court together it still reduces the space and still take away some post ups or pick and roll runs from Sabonis. They simply have to play seperately and Domas has to be a starter. Another mistake was made by federation not providing any elite opponents in preparation. Sabonis needs to go through that FIBA tight elite basketball to adjust. Better do it in exhibition stage. He became better and better as Eurobasket progressed. While JV gassed out after 3-4 good games.

    It's good that we will have few games against Slovenia before qualification. Hope they will have Doncic, Cancar, Tobey and will give us elite fight. Balciunas overall screwed with this Olympic cycle I have to say. He hired burned out coach who made tons of mistakes. NTs preparation was trash, we played against scrubs. Disappointed.

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