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  • What happaned to yotam halperin?

    I still don't know enough about our basketball and I keep learning.
    lately i got to read about a player called yotam halperin and I was amazed:
    -at age of 16 he was playing in the U-18 and avarage 23 pt in 24 minutes
    -together with lior led the U-20 to a silver medal in the U-20 european championship
    -was picked in the 53 pick of the 2006 draft
    -was in the seconed all-euroleague team

    and today? playing with spartak in the eurocup...(no offence spartk fans)
    so how from a great potential he became a eurocup player?

  • #2
    wrong decisions, mainly for money. the move to Oly where he chose money over developing as a player was the main mistake. he was a promising young player, Maccabi loaned him to Ljubljana where he did very well and eventually his role within Maccabi became big and he was one of the leading players in the 08 FF season, then he chose to move to Oly, decided to do that for money only (obviously) and he wasn't bad at first but his role got smaller and smaller and in his last season there he even was in a situation where sometimes he wouldn't get any playing time at all. this summer Maccabi wanted him back, there was an agreement but tax issues stopped the deal, and rumors said he had offers from Euroleague teams but he chose to go to Spartak because.. yup. money. AGAIN. I can't be sure those rumors were true but simple logic would lead to the conclusion he could play in a higher stage but chose bigger money.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MaccabiTA View Post
      wrong decisions, mainly for money. the move to Oly where he chose money over developing as a player was the main mistake. he was a promising young player, Maccabi loaned him to Ljubljana where he did very well and eventually his role within Maccabi became big and he was one of the leading players in the 08 FF season, then he chose to move to Oly, decided to do that for money only (obviously) and he wasn't bad at first but his role got smaller and smaller and in his last season there he even was in a situation where sometimes he wouldn't get any playing time at all. this summer Maccabi wanted him back, there was an agreement but tax issues stopped the deal, and rumors said he had offers from Euroleague teams but he chose to go to Spartak because.. yup. money. AGAIN. I can't be sure those rumors were true but simple logic would lead to the conclusion he could play in a higher stage but chose bigger money.
      thanx for the explaining.
      a big disappointment, he could be a legend, the next berkovoch of maccabi!
      i also heard that once maccabi's crowd boo him, was it because he left maccabi for money?
      by the way, talking about yotam: http://www.eurobasket.com/Russia/bas...?NewsID=256951

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      • #4
        ironwill, you might have already read this but here's an interesting article on Halperin from when he entered the NBA draft:

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        • #5
          Well, it isn't about him suddenly becoming a Eurocup player. Whenever he choses to come back to the right Euroleague team, he will be a Euroleague starter again. He was absolutely right, having chosen Spartak SPb, as he signed quite late with them and he has chosen a good team from a good league, participating in three leagues actually. He didn't go for a bad option for him. Yes, they have offered him a big chunk of money as Olympiacos has done before. Why should he have stayed in Tel-Aviv for much less money and under constant criticism, instead of trying to try himself in different surroundings? At Olympiacos, he eventually, didn't get much playing time, as he had Spanoulis, Papalozukas (both Greeks), Teodosic and Gordon fighting for the same positions in backcourt. Ironically, he has had very good games against Olympiacos' archrival Panathinaikos.

          Coming back to Maccabi after it would mean losing the additional money he has earned in Piraeus. Any other player would have done the same as he did. When he will be back, he will come back more mature, having played in good leagues with better competition than in Israel, with better big men than in Israel, where structure goes over run and gun small ball.

          It's a pity, not having him playing for Maccabi now but his decisions are utterly understandable.
          burnstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jazz View Post
            ironwill, you might have already read this but here's an interesting article on Halperin from when he entered the NBA draft:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/sp...asketball.html
            i still left few pages, but one sentence was unbeliveable:"in 20 minutes he passsd 11 asissts and score 4/7 behind the arc", amazing, he have no limits!
            thanks, its very intersting.
            and goga-i hope that he will come back and will be able to fulfil his potential.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ironwill23 View Post
              i still left few pages, but one sentence was unbeliveable:"in 20 minutes he passsd 11 asissts and score 4/7 behind the arc", amazing, he have no limits!
              thanks, its very intersting.
              and goga-i hope that he will come back and will be able to fulfil his potential.
              He will quite surely come back to Maccabi for the next season but as to fulfilling potential... it's too late for him now. If he would at least play adequate basketball for a player of his standards game in and game out, that would be great. Look at him playing for Spartak. As soon as it became cold, he stopped playing. He is their key player, regardless of what stats of Patrick Beverley might suggest. Beverly is killing the team play and hogging the ball. He is important though but it is Halperin who gets everyone involved. He will never be another Berkowitz, who had major cojones and never cared about any opponent. Halperin likes to disappear. He doesn't like to force things, which is good on one hand but a player of his caliber has to be able to forget about everyone else on the court and misuse his opponent to get points on the board. Halperin doesn't play like that.
              burnstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by goga78 View Post
                He will quite surely come back to Maccabi for the next season but as to fulfilling potential... it's too late for him now. If he would at least play adequate basketball for a player of his standards game in and game out, that would be great. Look at him playing for Spartak. As soon as it became cold, he stopped playing. He is their key player, regardless of what stats of Patrick Beverley might suggest. Beverly is killing the team play and hogging the ball. He is important though but it is Halperin who gets everyone involved. He will never be another Berkowitz, who had major cojones and never cared about any opponent. Halperin likes to disappear. He doesn't like to force things, which is good on one hand but a player of his caliber has to be able to forget about everyone else on the court and misuse his opponent to get points on the board. Halperin doesn't play like that.
                you belive can at least be a legitimate sg/pg in the euroleague?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ironwill23 View Post
                  you belive can at least be a legitimate sg/pg in the euroleague?
                  I think nobody has a doubt about that. because of that I have to disagree with goga, I think Spartak wasn't a good decision, he could easily find a mid-level Euroleague team if he'd compromise on his salary. even Oly wanted him to stay (for smaller salary of course) but he chose money, not surprising when you look at his history. also goga, in Maccabi he wouldn't get 'much less' money, what Maccabi offered him was less than what Oly offered him but it wasn't by far, you can't put a price tag on progressing as a player so he chose some more $$$ over making a progress as a player and loyalty to his team, that was his decision and when we look at it now it, obviously, was a wrong decision. even money-wise it was wrong because after his time there his value dropped so he made more money in those 3 years but in the up-coming years he'll make less than what he could if he stayed here in Maccabi (assuming there would be no hard injuries etc.)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MaccabiTA View Post
                    I think nobody has a doubt about that. because of that I have to disagree with goga, I think Spartak wasn't a good decision, he could easily find a mid-level Euroleague team if he'd compromise on his salary. even Oly wanted him to stay (for smaller salary of course) but he chose money, not surprising when you look at his history. also goga, in Maccabi he wouldn't get 'much less' money, what Maccabi offered him was less than what Oly offered him but it wasn't by far, you can't put a price tag on progressing as a player so he chose some more $$$ over making a progress as a player and loyalty to his team, that was his decision and when we look at it now it, obviously, was a wrong decision. even money-wise it was wrong because after his time there his value dropped so he made more money in those 3 years but in the up-coming years he'll make less than what he could if he stayed here in Maccabi (assuming there would be no hard injuries etc.)
                    Initially, I have had the same thoughts about Spartak. But then I gave it a second thought. Signing for a mid-level EL team would make him generate considerably less money and no success. His team would go out of EL quite quickly (supposedly) and then he would be left to play in a medium championship for the rest of the season, probably with no competition in the league, as this mid-level EL team would be head and shoulders above the domestic competition. In Russia, he is facing quite strong teams on weekly basis and he has to play in VTB against the best Russian and Lithuanian teams (let's leave the rest aside). The Eurocup is also a good competition and lots of teams there can be mid-level EL teams.

                    When he went to Olympiacos, he went to a supposedly stronger team with a much bigger financial basis, where he could learn from Papaloukas and face other top-guards every day in practice. Yes, he got much less playing minutes but at least the initial time was good for him.

                    I would like to see him in yellow dress for his whole career but put yourself under his skin. Daily criticism, a big time bashing by many fans. Some dislike his temper, others his voice, others again his shy personality on the court, his lamentations in interviews... He was fed up with that. He had a chance to play for a supposedly better team, aside from this massive criticism and to get much more money (1.000.000 € as opposed to 600.000 $). He made the right step for him not to sign in Israel due to tax issues in October. I can't blame him. Besides, he needed one year of massive playing time after his last year in Greece. Massive playing time and less pressure than in Tel-Aviv.
                    burnstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by goga78 View Post
                      Initially, I have had the same thoughts about Spartak. But then I gave it a second thought. Signing for a mid-level EL team would make him generate considerably less money and no success. His team would go out of EL quite quickly (supposedly) and then he would be left to play in a medium championship for the rest of the season, probably with no competition in the league, as this mid-level EL team would be head and shoulders above the domestic competition. In Russia, he is facing quite strong teams on weekly basis and he has to play in VTB against the best Russian and Lithuanian teams (let's leave the rest aside). The Eurocup is also a good competition and lots of teams there can be mid-level EL teams.

                      When he went to Olympiacos, he went to a supposedly stronger team with a much bigger financial basis, where he could learn from Papaloukas and face other top-guards every day in practice. Yes, he got much less playing minutes but at least the initial time was good for him.

                      I would like to see him in yellow dress for his whole career but put yourself under his skin. Daily criticism, a big time bashing by many fans. Some dislike his temper, others his voice, others again his shy personality on the court, his lamentations in interviews... He was fed up with that. He had a chance to play for a supposedly better team, aside from this massive criticism and to get much more money (1.000.000 € as opposed to 600.000 $). He made the right step for him not to sign in Israel due to tax issues in October. I can't blame him. Besides, he needed one year of massive playing time after his last year in Greece. Massive playing time and less pressure than in Tel-Aviv.
                      I'm not sure if the numbers you brought are right, I thought it was much smaller but I doubt I can find any source now so I'll leave it.
                      If he couldn't handle the pressure then, what makes you think he can handle the pressure now? Maccabi is not for everybody, being a good player isn't enough, you must have strong mentality as everybody watches you very close, everything you do or say is judged by the media. and the criticizers were right about him disappearing in the money time (not always, obviously like the game against Real but it happens most of the time) so I don't see what's wrong with pointing that out? that's who he is, he should be able to face the truth, or work on changing that. this is Maccabi, it hasn't changed at all, Maccabi TA BC is the most popular sports team in Israel and whoever plays for Maccabi will be treated this way if he's not doing as well as expected, Langford is now one of the leading players of the team but when he struggled to adapt nobody was giving him easy time, you could even see articles suggesting that Maccabi will try to get rid of his contract, fans and media were all over him, but he dealt with it.. that's not an U-18 team, they're not kids. they should know how to handle pressure because it's part of basketball and especially when you play for Maccabi.
                      And I think that it's not hard to tell it was a mistake for him to move to Oly, and I can't say I didn't see it coming when he signed there.. and I wasn't the only one. I can't judge him for choosing money, in my 18 years of life I didn't get even close to these amounts but I can say my opinion and as a fan I hate it when players I like make decisions based on money only because it's not like moving to Oly from Maccabi is any better in any way except for higher salary.. it's not like moving from some 2nd division team to a Euroleague team or anything like that. but I do understand that this is how it works these days.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MaccabiTA View Post
                        If he couldn't handle the pressure then, what makes you think he can handle the pressure now?
                        Nothing. He just stated that he wants to go back home and the strongest club in the country is MTA. Not that he can handle pressure better now (although, who knows?) but he wants to come back.


                        Maccabi is not for everybody, being a good player isn't enough, you must have strong mentality as everybody watches you very close, everything you do or say is judged by the media. and the criticizers were right about him disappearing in the money time (not always, obviously like the game against Real but it happens most of the time) so I don't see what's wrong with pointing that out?
                        Well, criticism should have its proper borders. If a player is reading criticism only, he won't like it. Why not concentrating more on his strong points? Why repeating over and over his weak ones? Let's talk about JCN's defense, for example. Halperin is a good and smart player with a high bball IQ and very good technique. But he is not a crunchtime player. Moreover, he doesn't like to take risks. He doesn't want to be blocked, so he hardly drives to the basket. He doesn't want to take bad shots, so he passes the ball away. We should welcome any positive change but we should live with what we have. For purposes of one-on-five plays, you sign athletic American players. If Halperin would be able to play somewhat recklessly, he would be playing in the NBA already.

                        that's who he is, he should be able to face the truth, or work on changing that.
                        Mentality is a different thing than technique. You can't practice and earn it. You either have/get it or not. Some players have more chutzpah, some less. Spanoulis has lots of them and produces bad shots and lots of turnovers. Alan Anderson has lots of it but kills his team that way. JCN has lots of it and excells as a scorer, having enough offensive options on the team that drag away the attention from him, that let him use his strong points of the game, like coming off screeens.

                        this is Maccabi, it hasn't changed at all, Maccabi TA BC is the most popular sports team in Israel and whoever plays for Maccabi will be treated this way if he's not doing as well as expected, Langford is now one of the leading players of the team but when he struggled to adapt nobody was giving him easy time, you could even see articles suggesting that Maccabi will try to get rid of his contract, fans and media were all over him, but he dealt with it.. that's not an U-18 team, they're not kids. they should know how to handle pressure because it's part of basketball and especially when you play for Maccabi.
                        Langford doesn't read Hebrew newspapers or watch Israeli TV. He is there to earn money and not playing in front of fans in a small country, where everyone is following you your whole professional life.
                        What's the public reception of Pnini or Ohayon? I think, as expectations for Yotam were high, he got more criticism than anyone else.



                        And I think that it's not hard to tell it was a mistake for him to move to Oly, and I can't say I didn't see it coming when he signed there.. and I wasn't the only one. I can't judge him for choosing money, in my 18 years of life I didn't get even close to these amounts but I can say my opinion and as a fan I hate it when players I like make decisions based on money only because it's not like moving to Oly from Maccabi is any better in any way except for higher salary.. it's not like moving from some 2nd division team to a Euroleague team or anything like that. but I do understand that this is how it works these days.
                        Olympiacos was building a stronger roster than Maccabi back then. Moving there was okay but they simply had an overloaded backcourt.
                        burnstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by goga78 View Post
                          Nothing. He just stated that he wants to go back home and the strongest club in the country is MTA. Not that he can handle pressure better now (although, who knows?) but he wants to come back.




                          Well, criticism should have its proper borders. If a player is reading criticism only, he won't like it. Why not concentrating more on his strong points? Why repeating over and over his weak ones? Let's talk about JCN's defense, for example. Halperin is a good and smart player with a high bball IQ and very good technique. But he is not a crunchtime player. Moreover, he doesn't like to take risks. He doesn't want to be blocked, so he hardly drives to the basket. He doesn't want to take bad shots, so he passes the ball away. We should welcome any positive change but we should live with what we have. For purposes of one-on-five plays, you sign athletic American players. If Halperin would be able to play somewhat recklessly, he would be playing in the NBA already.



                          Mentality is a different thing than technique. You can't practice and earn it. You either have/get it or not. Some players have more chutzpah, some less. Spanoulis has lots of them and produces bad shots and lots of turnovers. Alan Anderson has lots of it but kills his team that way. JCN has lots of it and excells as a scorer, having enough offensive options on the team that drag away the attention from him, that let him use his strong points of the game, like coming off screeens.



                          Langford doesn't read Hebrew newspapers or watch Israeli TV. He is there to earn money and not playing in front of fans in a small country, where everyone is following you your whole professional life.
                          What's the public reception of Pnini or Ohayon? I think, as expectations for Yotam were high, he got more criticism than anyone else.





                          Olympiacos was building a stronger roster than Maccabi back then. Moving there was okay but they simply had an overloaded backcourt.
                          1.my point was that if that really was the problem the first time than he wouldn't be coming back, either he matured as a person or that was just an excuse.
                          2.why not focusing on his stronger points? that's the media.. I agree that he's a very useful player and he definitely has a place in Maccabi, so don't get this wrong like my I'm the one only focusing on his weaknesses, that's how the media works, a professional athlete should be able to handle it. so saying he left because of the criticizers is a poor excuse I have to say.
                          3.Yotam didn't live up to the expectations (that media itself was building) so criticizing him is the result, I see nothing unusual here, I don't think he was treated unfairly.
                          Pnini and Ohayon get mostly compliments because they exceeded expectations, what Pnini did was way more than anybody ever imagined he could (especially in the ending of last season after Perk's injury) and Ohayon surprised people as well but still many criticize him for his lack of improvement shooting-wise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by goga78 View Post
                            Well, it isn't about him suddenly becoming a Eurocup player. Whenever he choses to come back to the right Euroleague team, he will be a Euroleague starter again. He was absolutely right, having chosen Spartak SPb, as he signed quite late with them and he has chosen a good team from a good league, participating in three leagues actually. He didn't go for a bad option for him. Yes, they have offered him a big chunk of money as Olympiacos has done before. Why should he have stayed in Tel-Aviv for much less money and under constant criticism, instead of trying to try himself in different surroundings? At Olympiacos, he eventually, didn't get much playing time, as he had Spanoulis, Papalozukas (both Greeks), Teodosic and Gordon fighting for the same positions in backcourt. Ironically, he has had very good games against Olympiacos' archrival Panathinaikos.

                            Coming back to Maccabi after it would mean losing the additional money he has earned in Piraeus. Any other player would have done the same as he did. When he will be back, he will come back more mature, having played in good leagues with better competition than in Israel, with better big men than in Israel, where structure goes over run and gun small ball.

                            It's a pity, not having him playing for Maccabi now but his decisions are utterly understandable.
                            agree with goga this time
                            anyway he will come back to mta soon

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                            • #15
                              Well he came back indeed. Maccabi announced that Halperin will return this season.
                              5 times European champion
                              50 times domestic league champion
                              40 times domestic cup holders
                              4 times league cup holders
                              1 time Adriatic league champion
                              1 time intercontinental cup holders

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