Maccabi Elektra Tel-Aviv - next season (10/11)

[frodoborg]

Anybody wants to imagine - how Maccabi will look next season? Who's in, who's out? New players?


The updated roster (../../..):


PG: Doron Perkins.

SG: Alan Anderson, Derick Sharp, Raviv Limonad.

SF: Chuck Eidson , Guy Pnini, Tal Burstein.

PF: David Bluthental, Elishay Kadir.

C: Jeff Foote , Yaniv Green *.

Coaching stuff: David Blatt, Dan Shamir **.


"Navy" - Has a signed contract.
"Orange" - Option.
"Red" - on his way out.

* Yaniv Green is on his way out?
** Pending trade with Bnei Ha-Sharon.

[maccabeo]

in my opinion just fischer and perkins have to stay. blutho is ok for the bench . others have to be released, everybody, eidson and anderson too. i know this is impossibile but ,as i wrote before, just a revolution that would include young jewish americans and a couple of young serbian is the right way. i d stay very far from hold name and champs like niko and saras. ok for halperin

[goga78]

Which young Jewish-Americans and which young Serbs?
Additionally, who should be the experienced players on this roster to show the way? Who should coach an exclusively young team?

On the other hand, try to be more realistic, look at the current contract situations and try to find a group of players that is fitting in better.
Right now, it seems like Wiz and Lasme might be out. Maybe Green. Anderson might try his luck again to join an NBA team. Other players most probably stay put.

[Mojado]

Jewish NCAA Basketball All Americans
1) Jon Scheyer – G – Duke Blue Devils – 18.6ppg, 5apg, 3.6rpg
2) Sylven Landesberg – G – Virginia Cavaliers – 16.6ppg, 2.8apg, 6rpg
3) Jake Cohen – F – Davidson Wildcats – 13.3ppg, 5.1rpg
4) Dane Diliegro – C – New Hampshire Wildcats – 8.9ppg, 8.1rpg
5) Derek Glasser – G – Arizona State – 10.1ppg, 4.8apg, 2.5rpg

Jewish NCAA Basketball Honorable Mentions
1) Jon Jaques – G – Cornell Bears
2) Brett Harvey – G – Loyola Maryland
3) Jared Mintz – F – Lafayette Leopards

[Roy M]

Jewish NCAA Basketball All Americans
1) Jon Scheyer – G – Duke Blue Devils – 18.6ppg, 5apg, 3.6rpg
2) Sylven Landesberg – G – Virginia Cavaliers – 16.6ppg, 2.8apg, 6rpg
3) Jake Cohen – F – Davidson Wildcats – 13.3ppg, 5.1rpg
4) Dane Diliegro – C – New Hampshire Wildcats – 8.9ppg, 8.1rpg
5) Derek Glasser – G – Arizona State – 10.1ppg, 4.8apg, 2.5rpg

Jewish NCAA Basketball Honorable Mentions
1) Jon Jaques – G – Cornell Bears
2) Brett Harvey – G – Loyola Maryland
3) Jared Mintz – F – Lafayette Leopards

From this list, only the first 2 are relevant.

My whishfull squad to the nwxt season:

Perkins, Saras, Scheyer
Andesron, Limonad
Eidson, Pnini
Lasme, Bluthental, Kadir
Vujicic/kasun/Radulijca and Fischer.

[maccabeo]

Which young Jewish-Americans and which young Serbs?
Additionally, who should be the experienced players on this roster to show the way? Who should coach an exclusively young team?

On the other hand, try to be more realistic, look at the current contract situations and try to find a group of players that is fitting in better.
Right now, it seems like Wiz and Lasme might be out. Maybe Green. Anderson might try his luck again to join an NBA team. Other players most probably stay put.

the fact that wiz lasme green and anderson will go , is a good starting point, so ,trying to be more rational intead of hoping in a revolution(as we ' d need) we can consider fischer and perikins our main players. blutho and eidson two players good from the bench.so we d need 4-5 players and is not hard to find 4 good players. 1-2 young american jewisw, maybe halperin, other young as wesely, shooters like walsh , intersting players like m.tomas, are just names to say that having eyes , there are many players we could add and who can give us a better team. about pini, i'll do all i can to sign blatt or maybe droker . again about players , goga, there are many players we could add. there also is some lituanians from zalgiris who can be also considered and also there are great pkayers who can imagine theyr revenge far from actual team(greer).
but ther are just examples , there are really many possibilities who can make us more better. what about kasun?

[goga78]

Scheyer - yes. Actually, with Gershon, I have doubts about his playing time.

Landesberg - haven't seen him play in order to judge, whether he would be a good fit for this team. Might be better for him to go to a smaller team first but my word here doesn't count. I'm just worried about playing time of young players under Gershon. Young players who have proved in good college programs that they can play and lead their respective teams.

Halperin - yes. Proven value.

Someone like Vesely? Is there someone like him? No mobile non-center 211 cm guy comes to my mind.

A dead-eye shooter like Walsh? Yes, but we already have Bluthenthal, who can play at 3 on offense. Also Eidson and Pnini. I doubt another player being added at this position.

Marko Tomas? Naa. Too many hopes connected with him and not that much to show for.

Should Anderson really go, MTA would need another slasher on the roster. Otherwise, thy're stuck with Perkins only. I have doubted lots of AA's decisions, when he chose to drive with his head against the wall instead of taking mid-range and outside shots but the team would still need a slasher with size and athleticism. The logical decision would be a US player. I think, there should be some good one on the European market but I don't know right now, who could make an impact as a starter on a Top 8/Final 4 team.

I don't see any high quality players at Zalgiris right now.

Didn't Blatt sign an extension with Aris? I have doubts about MTA handing the reigns over to Drucker although I consider him to be a good one. He will most probably leave to pursue his career as a head coach. Should have enough offers to count on.

Maccabi might again look in smaller leagues for hidden gems and sign one-two well-known players along with a couple of young guns.

[Freaknick]

Scheyer - yes. Actually, with Gershon, I have doubts about his playing time.

Landesberg - haven't seen him play in order to judge, whether he would be a good fit for this team. Might be better for him to go to a smaller team first but my word here doesn't count. I'm just worried about playing time of young players under Gershon. Young players who have proved in good college programs that they can play and lead their respective teams.

Halperin - yes. Proven value.

Someone like Vesely? Is there someone like him? No mobile non-center 211 cm guy comes to my mind.

A dead-eye shooter like Walsh? Yes, but we already have Bluthenthal, who can play at 3 on offense. Also Eidson and Pnini. I doubt another player being added at this position.

Marko Tomas? Naa. Too many hopes connected with him and not that much to show for.

Should Anderson really go, MTA would need another slasher on the roster. Otherwise, thy're stuck with Perkins only. I have doubted lots of AA's decisions, when he chose to drive with his head against the wall instead of taking mid-range and outside shots but the team would still need a slasher with size and athleticism. The logical decision would be a US player. I think, there should be some good one on the European market but I don't know right now, who could make an impact as a starter on a Top 8/Final 4 team.

I don't see any high quality players at Zalgiris right now.

Didn't Blatt sign an extension with Aris? I have doubts about MTA handing the reigns over to Drucker although I consider him to be a good one. He will most probably leave to pursue his career as a head coach. Should have enough offers to count on.

Maccabi might again look in smaller leagues for hidden gems and sign one-two well-known players along with a couple of young guns.

Scheyer would be an excellent fit just about anywhere, but I'd be concerned if he sat too much on the bench. When players come overseas from D-1 ball they usually just need to adjust to the speed (less frantic) and learn how to read the D off the screen. Scheyer was perhaps the most composed player in the entire nation this past season, so he should go somewhere where he can play. If he doesn't go to the NBA...

And as for Tomas...nothing to show for it? I thought he had an excellent season and looked unstoppable at time. If Anderson walks and you need that "slasher," why not Marko? (polo)

[Czarkazem13]

Jewish NCAA Basketball All Americans
1) Jon Scheyer – G – Duke Blue Devils – 18.6ppg, 5apg, 3.6rpg
2) Sylven Landesberg – G – Virginia Cavaliers – 16.6ppg, 2.8apg, 6rpg
3) Jake Cohen – F – Davidson Wildcats – 13.3ppg, 5.1rpg
4) Dane Diliegro – C – New Hampshire Wildcats – 8.9ppg, 8.1rpg
5) Derek Glasser – G – Arizona State – 10.1ppg, 4.8apg, 2.5rpg

Jewish NCAA Basketball Honorable Mentions
1) Jon Jaques – G – Cornell Bears
2) Brett Harvey – G – Loyola Maryland
3) Jared Mintz – F – Lafayette Leopards

Sylven Landesberg, Jon Scheyer (along with) David Bluthenthal and Dan Grunfeld are the only U.S. Jewish players good enouph to make a difference on Maccabi Tel Aviv (huh, Jordan Farmar aside). Hmmm....can Tiago Splitter play as a domestic?

Jack Cohen came out of nowhere, but he is freshman so don't expect to see him for a while. Dane DiLiegro can make a difference in Israel, but not in Tel Aviv (plus, I believe he is a junior). Glasser is coming out this year, but not good enough for Maccabi either. Personally I belive Eitan Cherminisky (Argentinian) and Corbin Moore are - or will - better NCAA players then Jaques, Harvery or Mintz. Maybe Federico Glinberg, out of Argentina, will be a good player.

[Czarkazem13]

Scheyer - yes. Actually, with Gershon, I have doubts about his playing time.

Landesberg - haven't seen him play in order to judge, whether he would be a good fit for this team. Might be better for him to go to a smaller team first but my word here doesn't count. I'm just worried about playing time of young players under Gershon. Young players who have proved in good college programs that they can play and lead their respective teams.

Halperin - yes. Proven value.

Someone like Vesely? Is there someone like him? No mobile non-center 211 cm guy comes to my mind.

A dead-eye shooter like Walsh? Yes, but we already have Bluthenthal, who can play at 3 on offense. Also Eidson and Pnini. I doubt another player being added at this position.

Marko Tomas? Naa. Too many hopes connected with him and not that much to show for.

Should Anderson really go, MTA would need another slasher on the roster. Otherwise, thy're stuck with Perkins only. I have doubted lots of AA's decisions, when he chose to drive with his head against the wall instead of taking mid-range and outside shots but the team would still need a slasher with size and athleticism. The logical decision would be a US player. I think, there should be some good one on the European market but I don't know right now, who could make an impact as a starter on a Top 8/Final 4 team.

I don't see any high quality players at Zalgiris right now.

Didn't Blatt sign an extension with Aris? I have doubts about MTA handing the reigns over to Drucker although I consider him to be a good one. He will most probably leave to pursue his career as a head coach. Should have enough offers to count on.

Maccabi might again look in smaller leagues for hidden gems and sign one-two well-known players along with a couple of young guns.

I believe Scheyer is as good as or maybe better then Halperin (though Halperin has the Israeli and EL experience). Landesberg has higher potential IMHO then the other two. If he doesn't go to Maccabi Tel Aviv, then it's either Maccabi Haifa or probably somewhere in Europe (if he doesn't return to school or go to the NBDL). He's not Chanan Colman, Shawn Weinstein or Todd Golden - he's a much better player to go to some small team.

[maccabeo]

I believe Scheyer is as good as or maybe better then Halperin (though Halperin has the Israeli and EL experience). Landesberg has higher potential IMHO then the other two. If he doesn't go to Maccabi Tel Aviv, then it's either Maccabi Haifa or probably somewhere in Europe (if he doesn't return to school or go to the NBDL). He's not Chanan Colman, Shawn Weinstein or Todd Golden - he's a much better player to go to some small team.

goga , every player we talk about is not good for mac, but player like pnini or lasme are! is courios, it seems to me u were very close thinking this year roster as one of best in our history!

[maccabeo]

sprry czar it was for goga!

[goga78]

Maccabeo, how quickly roles can be reversed, if one wants them to be reversed. It's absolutely not true that every player we talk about is not good for Maccabi according to me.
There are players who are good fits, those who are good players but I have concerns regarding playing time (coach's decision) and those who are neither good fit and good enough.

Why do you need Walsh for example, if you have already a lot of players on that position? Bluth and Pnini are Israelis, if you still haven't got it. Both play SF (Bluth also PF part-time). They have Eidson for SF. Where should Welsh fit in, if those three stay and it seems that way. Walsh would surely be good but not in this constellation. His team sucked however and he had every freedom for action there. When he went to Greece, his stats dropped significantly.

Marko Tomas has shown great sparks five years ago but since then he has done nothing. He had a good but not great season on a team that went 3-12 in the competition. His shooting percentages were not even solid, while his overall game was not good for the freedom he enjoyed on this team.

These two players out of the whole list are those MTA does not need for different reasons - imho.

So, it's just two players out of six. No reason to exaggerate.

Lasme would be even much more useful on offense with a passing center and with more shooters on the team. Defensively, he gives his team another dimension and this is sth. you clearly underestimate. e would have a different talk, if Lasme would average 13 ppg, while his lack of defensive work would not show up in stats.

You#ve got to understand that it's not only about points, it's not only about a player being good (overall). It's about how he fits with the proposed team and whether he can help it.

[goga78]

I believe Scheyer is as good as or maybe better then Halperin (though Halperin has the Israeli and EL experience). Landesberg has higher potential IMHO then the other two. If he doesn't go to Maccabi Tel Aviv, then it's either Maccabi Haifa or probably somewhere in Europe (if he doesn't return to school or go to the NBDL). He's not Chanan Colman, Shawn Weinstein or Todd Golden - he's a much better player to go to some small team.

That might be true with Scheyer. My only concern here is about Gershon. I can't see him giving a rookie the playing time he would need. But who knows. If Scheyer can defend on this level, he'll be okay, as he has a good shot and he sees the court very well.

[maccabeo]

Maccabeo, how quickly roles can be reversed, if one wants them to be reversed. It's absolutely not true that every player we talk about is not good for Maccabi according to me.
There are players who are good fits, those who are good players but I have concerns regarding playing time (coach's decision) and those who are neither good fit and good enough.

Why do you need Walsh for example, if you have already a lot of players on that position? Bluth and Pnini are Israelis, if you still haven't got it. Both play SF (Bluth also PF part-time). They have Eidson for SF. Where should Welsh fit in, if those three stay and it seems that way. Walsh would surely be good but not in this constellation. His team sucked however and he had every freedom for action there. When he went to Greece, his stats dropped significantly.

Marko Tomas has shown great sparks five years ago but since then he has done nothing. He had a good but not great season on a team that went 3-12 in the competition. His shooting percentages were not even solid, while his overall game was not good for the freedom he enjoyed on this team.

These two players out of the whole list are those MTA does not need for different reasons - imho.

So, it's just two players out of six. No reason to exaggerate.

Lasme would be even much more useful on offense with a passing center and with more shooters on the team. Defensively, he gives his team another dimension and this is sth. you clearly underestimate. e would have a different talk, if Lasme would average 13 ppg, while his lack of defensive work would not show up in stats.

You#ve got to understand that it's not only about points, it's not only about a player being good (overall). It's about how he fits with the proposed team and whether he can help it.

sure we have eidson pnini blutho, but ,hey goga, we shouldn t think of players we have now we should think of better players so in this case walsh is much better than eidson or pnini and yes,lasme is one of our few big men but he is not more useful because we should consider adding one better.
if u wanna be a better team u must have better player so i can't say, we still have sf or pf, we simply need better! we shouldnt say we have few big men and can't release lasme, we simply need one better than lasme! if we consider what we have we just need a center but in this case u'll not be a better team.