Greek NT 2024

[Victorious]

I agree about Lountzis. Lountzis got his opportunity and has shown that he is not top-level maybe he is on the level Mantzaris was in the past?!?!? You can feel it when he starts talking. He is way too soft to be a high-level player. But Moraitis I am not sure yet. Lets give him 1 more year.

Spanoulis was part of Greece in 2004, 2005, but was negligible. He was one of the best in 2006. He was not a top player coming from Maroussi.

Moraitis needs two seasons in the EL to reach top level. As did Larentzakis who was on Moraitis level two years ago. Not sure if he will get minutes though. But next year we have Calathes and Sloukas. The year after there is no tournament. Only the year after that Greece will need new guards. So three development years. That's a lot of time. And Sloukas could still play one more tournament after the Olympics.

Also, I wouldn't count out the potential develooment of Kalaitzakis.

[fasoulaki]

Spanoulis was part of Greece in 2004, 2005, but was negligible. He was one of the best in 2006. He was not a top player coming from Maroussi.

Moraitis needs two seasons in the EL to reach top level. As did Larentzakis who was on Moraitis level two years ago. Not sure if he will get minutes though. But next year we have Calathes and Sloukas. The year after there is no tournament. Only the year after that Greece will need new guards. So three development years. That's a lot of time. And Sloukas could still play one more tournament after the Olympics.

Also, I wouldn't count out the potential develooment of Kalaitzakis.

Usually also a player needs more than 1 FIBA tournament to understand the expectation of the competition. Maybe Spanoulis was not a major factor in 2005 because he had also Papaloukas, Diamantidis and even Zissis in front of him but you could still see the potential. I dont see the potential in Lountzis. He is a solid player but not top-level guard. He does not even know that you are not allowed to touch the ball after the basket and that you get a technical at the second time.

With Moraitis I am not sure yet. He might developed to something special. As you said! We have to give him some more time. But he is not 20 any more on the other hand.

Regarding tournaments we should not forget that apart from the main tournaments we have qualification games. Since Euroleague and FIBA agreed on a common calender at least at some games the Euroleague players will be present which will increase the level of competition significantly and we have to be prepared for this also on the guard position. In addition at least Kalathis has become very slow. I am not sure if he will help at the very top level any more and about Sloukas who says that he will play ever again? Diamantidis also retired early from the national team. I will only believe it when he comes to the tournaments.

[tonia]

Spanoulis was part of Greece in 2004, 2005, but was negligible. He was one of the best in 2006. He was not a top player coming from Maroussi.

Moraitis needs two seasons in the EL to reach top level. As did Larentzakis who was on Moraitis level two years ago. Not sure if he will get minutes though. But next year we have Calathes and Sloukas. The year after there is no tournament. Only the year after that Greece will need new guards. So three development years. That's a lot of time. And Sloukas could still play one more tournament after the Olympics.

Also, I wouldn't count out the potential develooment of Kalaitzakis.

He was a good player who didn't have a good presence to Eurobasket 2005. Otherwise, you think that one season playing for Panathinaikos (2005-2006) was enough for him to transform to a great player, get voted as the 7th best worldwide European player of the year and earn for himself a contract to the NBA the following year (2006-2007)?

[Victorious]

Don't compare Moraitis to Spanoulis. My point is that some opportunities and a little experience at the highest level is essential. Moraitis is no Spanoulis. Vildoza is no Ginobili. I am just looking at the potential for Greece to develop hq guards.

Consider where Sloukas was at in 2014. He was behind a couple of other guards at Olympiacos.

Also consider that when Greece had Spanoulis and Diamantidis, there was no prime Giannis.

I for one like some current players like Papagiannis, Kostas, Giannis, Mitoglou, Rogkavopoulos, if only they can get help at the guard position.

[fasoulaki]

Don't compare Moraitis to Spanoulis

No, I dont know about Tonia but I am not comparing him to Spanoulis I am comparing him to Walkup.

We need a guard who can carry the ball even under pressure.I noticed that Walkup is not capable to do it. He lost the ball quite often under pressure.
We need a guard who can organize the game run the plays and find the free man, especially when the shot clock is reaching to its end. Walkup ended up with shot clock violations quite often.
We need a guard who can shoot the three with sufficient percentage. Walkup did well with respect to this.
We need a guard who can drive to the basket every now and then to score easy points and confuse the oppenents defense. Walkup did this also quite well.

Can Moraitis develop to a player equal or better than Walkup?

[tonia]

Don't compare Moraitis to Spanoulis. My point is that some opportunities and a little experience at the highest level is essential. Moraitis is no Spanoulis. Vildoza is no Ginobili. I am just looking at the potential for Greece to develop hq guards.

Consider where Sloukas was at in 2014. He was behind a couple of other guards at Olympiacos.

Also consider that when Greece had Spanoulis and Diamantidis, there was no prime Giannis.

I for one like some current players like Papagiannis, Kostas, Giannis, Mitoglou, Rogkavopoulos, if only they can get help at the guard position.

I just compared Spanoulis of year 2005 to Spanoulis of year 2006. I find comparing any active greek guard to Spanoulis, Diamantidis or Papaloukas pointless.

[Victorious]

We also shouldn't loose hope on Kalaitzakis. His style seems to be a good fit for current basketball. Needs to become better though. Much better.

On that note, players like Papapetrou seem to become outdated by current basketball standards. Basketball is evolving at an incredibly high pase. I believe Mantzoukas will outpace him in two seasons.

Charalampopoulos could be a better fit for Greece if he keeps developing. For starters, he can shoot better. He needs to convert this on EL level. As does Rogkavopoulos.

We need more fluent players. If need be with less basketball IQ.

Bartzogas and Ataman are two coaches who like fast pased basketball. This is going to be good for the Greek EL teams.

[fasoulaki]

We also shouldn't loose hope on Kalaitzakis. His style seems to be a good fit for current basketball. Needs to become better though. Much better.

I am not sure if he will manage to improve. He is not getting enough playing time.

On that note, players like Papapetrou seem to become outdated by current basketball standards. Basketball is evolving at an incredibly high pase. I believe Mantzoukas will outpace him in two seasons.

At least in this tournament Papapetrou has scored more points than in any tournament before and I liked his moves especially his fade away very much.

Charalampopoulos could be a better fit for Greece if he keeps developing. For starters, he can shoot better. He needs to convert this on EL level.

Charalampopoulos is so far away from EL level like sunset to sunrise. He is slow and cannot jump and I am pretty sure this will not change.

As does Rogkavopoulos.

Rogkavopoulos is very promissing. He has to show that he can deliver his scoring qualities also under pressure. If this will happen he will be very crucial in the future

[R1ou]

Charalampopoulos is so far away from EL level like sunset to sunrise. He is slow and cannot jump and I am pretty sure this will not change.

Not sure if you have followed the player lately but he had a solid season in Italy and would definitely be useful than Thanasis who for some reason has a guaranteed NT spot no matter his club status.

[tonia]

Zouros left the NT of Georgia. Is there any possibility that he left in order to take charge of the greek NT?

[fasoulaki]

Not sure if you have followed the player lately but he had a solid season in Italy and would definitely be useful than Thanasis who for some reason has a guaranteed NT spot no matter his club status.

I read his stats and watched highlight videos. He had 10pts per game average which I agree is solid but even in his highlight videos the lack of athleticism is obvious. I doubt that he will be the player we need to increase our quality. If he would be EL material an EL team would have signed him.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/16167/vasilis-charalampopoulos/games

Thanassis was very tragic this year. Most emberassing moment was the three point attempt at the beginning of the game against Lithuania I think. It was a undefended free three point shoot which ended up as an airball. I remember him shooting three with ok percentage. What happend to the poor guy?

[fasoulaki]

Zouros left the NT of Georgia. Is there any possibility that he left in order to take charge of the greek NT?

I have bad memories of Zouros as NT coach during the preolympic qualification tournament 2012 in Venezuela. After the loss against Nigeria he did not take responsibility and blamed the players. I think he was right to do so because I remember at least 10 turnovers from Bouroussis in this game but still this is not the personality you want to have as the coach of the greek NT:

[fasoulaki]

By the way. For sure you have heared about this Podcast were Giannis said: " I am playing for Greece like Olajuwon played for USA but everyone knows that I am Nigerian". Is it possible that this is the real reason why Giannis was not present at the WC? Is it possible that we will never see Giannis in the Hellas jersey again?

[Toruko]

By the way. For sure you have heared about this Podcast were Giannis said: " I am playing for Greece like Olajuwon played for USA but everyone knows that I am Nigerian". Is it possible that this is the real reason why Giannis was not present at the WC? Is it possible that we will never see Giannis in the Hellas jersey again?

Nonsense! He proved many times that he likes representing Greece. I think its clear he feels gratefulness. There is no need for suspicion

[tonia]

Nonsense! He proved many times that he likes representing Greece. I think its clear he feels gratefulness. There is no need for suspicion

I agree. I'm sure that Giannis shares the same passion for the greek NT as Thanassis.