Franz Wagner Thread

[Toruko]

I agree, he does not have the tools to single-handedly put the Magics on the map of contenders at least right now. How many players are capable to do this though? Jokic? Doncic? SGA? Franz is miles away from entering the MVP race, that is not up for discussion. The question is whether he has the potential to become one of the best players in the NBA. I truly believe Orlando can build a championship-contending team around Franz and Banchero. I also believe that Franz does not need to take a backseat to Banchero, their upside is pretty similar and I have absolutely no doubt Franz will evolve into one of the best 20 players on the planet with the potential to reach the Top10.

Possible... we will see. I will definitely have an eye on him.

[thiago94]

I agree, he does not have the tools to single-handedly put the Magics on the map of contenders at least right now. How many players are capable to do this though? Jokic? Doncic? SGA? Franz is miles away from entering the MVP race, that is not up for discussion. The question is whether he has the potential to become one of the best players in the NBA. I truly believe Orlando can build a championship-contending team around Franz and Banchero. I also believe that Franz does not need to take a backseat to Banchero, their upside is pretty similar and I have absolutely no doubt Franz will evolve into one of the best 20 players on the planet with the potential to reach the Top10.

[Toruko]

He didn't start the season in a bad way, he had three great games and then suffered an illness. I might be affected by some German bias, but Franz has the potential to become one of the best players on this planet. He skyrocketed his playmaking skills, his shot looks way more fluid than last season and even though it is not falling consistently, I definitely see enough room for improvement in this area. I didn't even start to praise his defensive abilities and potential. Toruko disrespecting Franz is a never ending story.

Its a question if you can build around Franz Wagner and be a contender in the NBA. He has height and the quality to finish around the rim. Defensively surely a great player who can read defenses and push the team defense to the next level but I dont see the mechanics to be a good shooter. He doesnt have the mechanics to be a good shooter. Off course he can be better in everything but there are borders for him but we will see.

[thiago94]

He didn't start the season in a bad way, he had three great games and then suffered an illness. I might be affected by some German bias, but Franz has the potential to become one of the best players on this planet. He skyrocketed his playmaking skills, his shot looks way more fluid than last season and even though it is not falling consistently, I definitely see enough room for improvement in this area. I didn't even start to praise his defensive abilities and potential. Toruko disrespecting Franz is a never ending story.

[Straight forward]

Started the season fairly bad but found his rhythm 5-6 games ago. Good player but nobody you can build on.

Well, so far he's carrying the Magic nicely. Good second option of winning team.

[Toruko]

Franz balling. Takes down Lakers with a big game-winner:

https://x.com/AhaanRungta/status/1859841247059566911

Started the season fairly bad but found his rhythm 5-6 games ago. Good player but nobody you can build on.

[Straight forward]

Franz balling. Takes down Lakers with a big game-winner:

https://x.com/AhaanRungta/status/1859841247059566911

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[Toruko]

I gladly admit that he over exceeded my expectations by far but this was what he had shown and my points were correct but you can never know how a guy develops. I dont buy his shots fully even right now but he will be in the big three of Orlando for sure. He even grew a bit more.

[Straight forward]

The precious part of handling the ball is either creating for yourself or for others in the set offense. Is he that good. Not in 1000 years.

This one too

[Ridirkulous]

His ball handling skills are more than crappy. He is fast but he doesnt have to deal with defenses, I dont buy his shots. They are mostly uncontested and totally free and look very awkward.

The good is he had a growing push with 20 years old which is really surprising. He looks around 6'11 and has a great feel for team defenses, his pick and roll defense as well as help defenses look awesome but offense is still more than questionable. Scottie Barnes as a two way wing is very special and Mobley

Giddey and Sengün seem ok.

Green has been underperforming but he takes also stupidly tough shots but still has the tools for being the best scorer in the league but he also could end up like the next Westbrook.

Suggs sucks.

No need to get overhyped because of Franz. His playing time will decrease and usage too if Fultz and the others come back.

Boy did this age badly.

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[Nemanja95]

One of rare players,whom I enjoy to watch. I remember him from Alba's season final of Eurocup, he was 17-18 years old, he looked talented player who has long road in the frount of himself. When he went on colelge, many thought including me it's not really good decision. From this point of view, probably was good. He now in 21, leads the his nt until medal or even to gold medal. Beside so much popularized by media Antetokounmpo, Jokic and Doncic, he came from second level nut nothing worse didn't play.

[Straight forward]

Huge European talent, IMO, and will leave a mark into FIBA Euro ball history as well

I've seen it coming. Franz already out there making a name for himself.

[Toruko]

So how would you rank best Euro prospects overall?

You are asking questions. This is an impossible job. Where should I start and where should I end. I could write some names who will probably land in the NBA but thats all.

So lets collect some names.

Serbia:
2003
Vukcevic (dont see much NBA upside but hell get drafted)
Jovic (solid first round pick, shot is a question mark)
2004
Djurisic (solid first round pick, great shot creating abilities but too early)

Lithuania
2002
Azuolas Tubelis (early to mid second round guy, looks like a good bench piece to me)
2004
maybe Murauskas in the second round but doesnt have fire in him and gets injured too often

Spain
2004
Juan Nunez (second round guy, too early)
I dont have a clue about later guys

France just too many potential guys but
2002
Dieng
Diabatte
2004
Wembanyama

Germany
2002
Hukporti (in fact a very interesting guy, versatile but an injury prone and TO prone, steal potential)
2007
Declan Duru

Russia
2000
NIKITA MIKHAILOVSKY?
2006
Egor Demin (next high prospect from russia)

Greece
2003
Elefteros Mantzoukas (maybe)

Turkey
2003
Adem Bona (solid first round pick, capable defender, limited offense)
2004
Berke Buyuktuncel (multiple position defender, great shooter, swing factor ability to create shots) Has no explosiveness or athleticism most likely a second round guy but should stay in Europe
2006
Demir Dogan (Shooting and awareness is a question mark right now but he is made for the NBA and will be a solid first rounder)

Italy
2002
Paolo Banchero (star potential)
2003
Matteo Spagnolo


The guys I like the most and trust them to have a good NBA carrier are
Paolo Banchero
Demir Dogan
Egor Demin
Declan Duru
Ousmane Dieng
Adem Bona
Ariel Hukporti