Anadolu Efes 2020/21

[Worrax]

Efes played without Dunston most of the last season and still they were by far the best team in EL. So Sanli is quite capable to take the bigger role and Dunston's spot. He was center with maybe the best statistics per minute last season. the most underrated player in Turkey

Agree with you... Dunston is the most important part of Efes's bigs but because of unluckily injuries kept him away from team last (and this) season and Pleiss-Şanlı stepped well enough succesfully. But now no Pleiss and (especially only with 2 bigs; Dunston and Şanlı) it won't be enough. Not counting Singleton or Moerman. Of course in my opinion Şanlı is good enough back up for Dunston, even sometimes could be 1st choice... For deeper big rotation i think we need 1 more player. And (maybe i'm wrong) but i insist he should be a #5, can also play #4. I'm not counting on Pleiss next season even though i like his personality and performance. His knee injury is problematic and not carrying his body anymore.

[janketa]

I will agree with you, at least we have reason (last season) to hope... and yes, i was talking about pivotal trouble second year in a row. If something happens with Dunston ect... last year Pleiss stepped well but now also suffering with injuries. On the other hand Dunston is already 35 if i'm not wrong, time to prepare somebody else. It's a known case 2-3 years and Ataman will get it. (Actually i insist on adding a 4 and a half style guy, can play 4 and 5, and keep Dunston and Şanlı.)

Efes played without Dunston most of the last season and still they were by far the best team in EL. So Sanli is quite capable to take the bigger role and Dunston's spot. He was center with maybe the best statistics per minute last season. the most underrated player in Turkey

[Worrax]

I have been seeing a decline on Dunstons side which is the main problem. Larkin seems to find his shooting rhythm and range but you shouldnt worry about the defense against Ormanspor. The defensive reaction is still a big concern though. I think if the shooting comes back also the defensive intensity will increase.

I will agree with you, at least we have reason (last season) to hope... and yes, i was talking about pivotal trouble second year in a row. If something happens with Dunston ect... last year Pleiss stepped well but now also suffering with injuries. On the other hand Dunston is already 35 if i'm not wrong, time to prepare somebody else. It's a known case 2-3 years and Ataman will get it. (Actually i insist on adding a 4 and a half style guy, can play 4 and 5, and keep Dunston and Şanlı.)

[Toruko]

Even though Efes won vs Ormanspor yesterday (95-75), i didn't like the team's defensive performance so far... Musa was ok in his first game; Tuncer, Şanlı, Larkin even Saybir and Gazi was performed well on team's attacking side, but defensive holes could create headache for the future. I can't even be so happy because of the weak opponent. Ataman said he liked Musa's and team's performance and happy for having good signs from Musa for the future games. About Larkin and Beaubois's minutes he said he's just pushing the players to get their rhythms.

Larkin (17 min)... 14 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast.
Moerman (22 min)... 6 pts, 12 reb.
Tuncer (22 min)... 22 pts, 3 reb, 3 ast.
Anderson (17 min)... 6 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Dunston (15 min)... 1 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Beaubois (14 min)... 5 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast.
Saybir (15 min)... 7 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast.
Balbay (12 min)... 2 pts, 5 ast.
Gazi (15 min)... 5 pts, 4 reb.
Musa (26 min)... 19 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast.
Şanlı (25 min)... 8 pts, 6 reb, 5 blk.

I have been seeing a decline on Dunstons side which is the main problem. Larkin seems to find his shooting rhythm and range but you shouldnt worry about the defense against Ormanspor. The defensive reaction is still a big concern though. I think if the shooting comes back also the defensive intensity will increase.

[Worrax]

Even though Efes won vs Ormanspor yesterday (95-75), i didn't like the team's defensive performance so far... Musa was ok in his first game; Tuncer, Şanlı, Larkin even Saybir and Gazi was performed well on team's attacking side, but defensive holes could create headache for the future. I can't even be so happy because of the weak opponent. Ataman said he liked Musa's and team's performance and happy for having good signs from Musa for the future games. About Larkin and Beaubois's minutes he said he's just pushing the players to get their rhythms.

Larkin (17 min)... 14 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast.
Moerman (22 min)... 6 pts, 12 reb.
Tuncer (22 min)... 22 pts, 3 reb, 3 ast.
Anderson (17 min)... 6 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Dunston (15 min)... 1 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Beaubois (14 min)... 5 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast.
Saybir (15 min)... 7 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast.
Balbay (12 min)... 2 pts, 5 ast.
Gazi (15 min)... 5 pts, 4 reb.
Musa (26 min)... 19 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast.
Şanlı (25 min)... 8 pts, 6 reb, 5 blk.

[Worrax]

What a big effect all these injuries and covid cases on Efes... Players still can't find the rhythm and the team automatically suffering of controlling the game tempo. The hardest games are on the way; Valencia, Cska, Milan, Barca, Real. Hope things will get better for the rest of the season.

Efes-Zenith: 69-73
(Without LARKIN)

Efes-Fener: 71-80
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI)

Alba-Efes: 72-93
(Without LARKIN, BALBAY)

Zalgiris-Efes: 89-73
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI, BALBAY)

Oly-Efes: 79-84
(Without ŞANLI, BALBAY)

Efes-Mta: 91-89
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI)

Pao-Efes: 77-80
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI, BEAUBOIS)

Efes-Bay: 71-74
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)

Khi-Efes: 77-105
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)

Crv-Efes: 64-75
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS, MICIC, PLEISS)

Efes-Bas: 59-77
(Without PLEISS)

Efes-Asv: 72-68
(Without SIMON)

Games played:
Singleton, Moerman, Anderson: 12
Micic, Simon: 11
Pleiss: 10
Beaubois, Balbay: 9
Dunston, Şanlı: 7
Larkin: 6

[Levenspiel]

I expect from janketa to side with Efes and Larkin in this situation Not a Fenerbahçe fan as usual.



You are making drama like janketa right now, the only reason why this even become a discussion because Efes wanted to use Larkin as domestic player, it's not like the head coach of Turkish national team wanted it, they even said we have Wilbekin but then we still replaced Wilbekin with Larkin, so that's why I think it's fair for that reason, if you still want him as domestic player, he should play 1 year more to complete the 3 years like the players that you talked about earlier.

mate, do you know the meaning of a passport?
you could apply citizenship rules (if you have any, but we don't, in practice) before giving someone a passport, not after.
anyway, pointless discussion. Let some little people be happy with their little victories.

[Tevfik1907]

I expect from janketa to side with Efes and Larkin in this situation Not a Fenerbahçe fan as usual.

yeah, true. I guess I wanted to come back with a bang :d.

As for Larkin and the NT, several reasons. We had talked about it in the past, no need to repeat. it's best for everyone if he doesn't.
I just got pissed off with the new rule that is conveniently "invented". What else we expect from a spineless Turkoglu? if Larkin played, he'd have invented something else.

You are making drama like janketa right now, the only reason why this even become a discussion because Efes wanted to use Larkin as domestic player, it's not like the head coach of Turkish national team wanted it, they even said we have Wilbekin but then we still replaced Wilbekin with Larkin, so that's why I think it's fair for that reason, if you still want him as domestic player, he should play 1 year more to complete the 3 years like the players that you talked about earlier.

[janketa]

As for Larkin and the NT, several reasons. We had talked about it in the past, no need to repeat. it's best for everyone if he doesn't.

Seems I missed that discution about Larkin and NT. Never mind

[Levenspiel]

Come on man you are papa of this forum, is it possible you hooked on trolling post like this

And why you hope Larkin won't play for NT?

yeah, true. I guess I wanted to come back with a bang :d.

As for Larkin and the NT, several reasons. We had talked about it in the past, no need to repeat. it's best for everyone if he doesn't.
I just got pissed off with the new rule that is conveniently "invented". What else we expect from a spineless Turkoglu? if Larkin played, he'd have invented something else.

[Toruko]

Ataman and strong sense of justice? Good joke. Search cathine and Efes if you don't remember

I really dont know and dont care his trigger and the reason of his childish fights against Fenerbahce. I dont really intend to defend his whinings. The rules about naturalized player are clear and thats it. I like his basketball philosophy and I want him back as NT coach but this childish disputes are getting on my nerves.

Anyway Ömercan was loaned to Bursaspor which I strongly support. I hope Erten Gazi shows very fast he is more useful then trash Balbay. Without Larkin Turks have more responsibility which is very welcome.

[vivo]

He obviously has a strong sense of justice

Ataman and strong sense of justice? Good joke. Search cathine and Efes if you don't remember

[Tevfik1907]

He is a slow poke. He obviously has a strong sense of justice but i welcome playing without Larkin at least in the regular season. I dont think he is needed at all but if so just put him as a foreigner and 4 others. He can always do it anytime. If he does it can only mean he is as confident as me.

You might think otherwise, but the head coach of Efes thinks he needs him as domestic player to beat us.

He also thought he needs help of the GS supporters in Turkish league final to beat us in the previous year as well, https://www.mackolik.com/basketbol/h...c1kpk3qvm5klva

Perhaps it worked since it was 4-3 close? What do you say?

[Toruko]

Yeah, sure. Tell that to Ergin Ataman. Obviously he wants Larkin as domestic player to beat us in Turkish league otherwise what's the point of this statement right?

He is a slow poke. He obviously has a strong sense of justice but i welcome playing without Larkin at least in the regular season. I dont think he is needed at all but if so just put him as a foreigner and 4 others. He can always do it anytime. If he does it can only mean he is as confident as me.

[Tevfik1907]

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Why is Larkin so important being counted as naturalized or not? You even have the best roster by far without him and if you need him to play for a reason, take him as 1 of 5. Who is gonna stop Efes? Fenerbahce? Good joke.

Yeah, sure. Tell that to Ergin Ataman. Obviously he wants Larkin as domestic player to beat us in Turkish league otherwise what's the point of this statement right?