Fenerbahçe 2016-17

[iskoch]

ufuk sarica worked with aydin örs very long time. he is modern version of aydin örs.

[vivo]

XD

Only Khimki?

No, Milano etc. too

[Johnny7]

Sorry I missed it, it's just that if there is no Turkish coach qualified to take the job, so be it. Quality is more important than passport imho.

Paying that money to Markovic is an overkill, but Khimki has to overpay to attract players obviously.

XD

Only Khimki?

[vivo]

I didn't know Saras is Turk You missunderstood the whole point, but as we said, we agree that we disagree

Sorry I missed it, it's just that if there is no Turkish coach qualified to take the job, so be it. Quality is more important than passport imho.

Paying that money to Markovic is an overkill, but Khimki has to overpay to attract players obviously.

[janketa]

Yes but you have to remember one thing. Obradovic stopped playing and IMMEDIATELY became a HC of Partizan. He had somebody in the background (Aca Nikolic) to advise him but he was THE GUY. Duda Ivkovic is the same story, he was HC in his early thirties as well. Those coaches developed into great ones because they started early, kept improving and innovating and had responsibility and high goals as THE GUYS in the team. They were nobody's lackeys. They did have older coaches as mentors and somebody to talk to, but they did it as the lead guys.

Sarica is 45, this kind of mentoring you are talking about is done much earlier and asking him to take a back seat now is just a bad decision and it will have reverse effect.

Ok, that sounds realistic. But that won't happen because Obradovic will not change his stuff that wins. The only exception could be this with Sarica and only he could enter if he wish.
I am aware that's not gona happen too

[janketa]

I think Sarıca would never accept being the 2nd man at this point. And he shouldn't.

My guess/hope when Zeljko leaves would be Saras. He shows great promise for future. Him being an ex Fener player is just a bonus. But hey, it is too early to think about these things.

I didn't know Saras is Turk You missunderstood the whole point, but as we said, we agree that we disagree

[vivo]

Yes but you have to remember one thing. Obradovic stopped playing and IMMEDIATELY became a HC of Partizan. He had somebody in the background (Aca Nikolic) to advise him but he was THE GUY. Duda Ivkovic is the same story, he was HC in his early thirties as well. Those coaches developed into great ones because they started early, kept improving and innovating and had responsibility and high goals as THE GUYS in the team. They were nobody's lackeys. They did have older coaches as mentors and somebody to talk to, but they did it as the lead guys.

Sarica is 45, this kind of mentoring you are talking about is done much earlier and asking him to take a back seat now is just a bad decision and it will have reverse effect.

I think Sarıca would never accept being the 2nd man at this point. And he shouldn't.

My guess/hope when Zeljko leaves would be Saras. He shows great promise for future. Him being an ex Fener player is just a bonus. But hey, it is too early to think about these things.

[CoachZ]

I don't see Turkish part of the staff around Obradovic could continue his work here. At the same time I don't see the guy which corresponds to the description you gave.
One or two titles in future means nothing if we don't make our own system and coaching stuff is in the first place.
Sarica is good coach but Obradovic is more then coach. Every educated coach in the world knows maybe the same as him regarding tactics, moves etc, but there is something that he see what rest of us don't.
Including you, no offence I don't claim he is a God. but let be realistic for a moment. In every job when you make 3 or 4 times better result then your close opponent then you are something special.
Aleksandar Nikolic started, Duda continued and Zeljko took the most of that maybe because of his 'crazy' temperament or something else I don't know. The only thing I exclude is luck.
I just think that for Sarica is good to be lackey to Obradovic for couple years and learn the system not coaching and tactics.

Yes but you have to remember one thing. Obradovic stopped playing and IMMEDIATELY became a HC of Partizan. He had somebody in the background (Aca Nikolic) to advise him but he was THE GUY. Duda Ivkovic is the same story, he was HC in his early thirties as well. Those coaches developed into great ones because they started early, kept improving and innovating and had responsibility and high goals as THE GUYS in the team. They were nobody's lackeys. They did have older coaches as mentors and somebody to talk to, but they did it as the lead guys.

Sarica is 45, this kind of mentoring you are talking about is done much earlier and asking him to take a back seat now is just a bad decision and it will have reverse effect.

[janketa]

Let's be honest, he has to be an idiot to do it. He is not a 28 year old assistant with hopes of future success. He is a 45 year old coach which has already achieved things in basketball (title with KSK, this season by Besiktas etc.) and he has a lot of experience in basketball, being a player. So for him it's crucial to improve his decision making, knowledge and experience. For that he needs to run a team of his own.

Being a lackey to Obradovic is not the way. That is a job for a talented young guy who either just finished his playing career or is showing talent working for kids or something and wants to make a switch to seniors. If you want somebody to inherit Obradovic, you should hope that they are already a great coach before they get there and accomplish things without him. So you should hope for Sarica to do well in Besiktas or anywhere else, so when Obradovic retired you can lure him in.

I don't see Turkish part of the staff around Obradovic could continue his work here. At the same time I don't see the guy which corresponds to the description you gave.
One or two titles in future means nothing if we don't make our own system and coaching stuff is in the first place.
Sarica is good coach but Obradovic is more then coach. Every educated coach in the world knows maybe the same as him regarding tactics, moves etc, but there is something that he see what rest of us don't.
Including you, no offence I don't claim he is a God. but let be realistic for a moment. In every job when you make 3 or 4 times better result then your close opponent then you are something special.
Aleksandar Nikolic started, Duda continued and Zeljko took the most of that maybe because of his 'crazy' temperament or something else I don't know. The only thing I exclude is luck.
I just think that for Sarica is good to be lackey to Obradovic for couple years and learn the system not coaching and tactics.

[CoachZ]

I think Sarica should come to us as assistent coach. That could be good opportunity for him to improve and to get the real chance to win something in future when Obradovic leave some day.

Let's be honest, he has to be an idiot to do it. He is not a 28 year old assistant with hopes of future success. He is a 45 year old coach which has already achieved things in basketball (title with KSK, this season by Besiktas etc.) and he has a lot of experience in basketball, being a player. So for him it's crucial to improve his decision making, knowledge and experience. For that he needs to run a team of his own.

Being a lackey to Obradovic is not the way. That is a job for a talented young guy who either just finished his playing career or is showing talent working for kids or something and wants to make a switch to seniors. If you want somebody to inherit Obradovic, you should hope that they are already a great coach before they get there and accomplish things without him. So you should hope for Sarica to do well in Besiktas or anywhere else, so when Obradovic retired you can lure him in.

[janketa]

I think Sarica should come to us as assistent coach. That could be good opportunity for him to improve and to get the real chance to win something in future when Obradovic leave some day.

[vivo]

Season ticket number for 2017-2018 has reached 6600 per official statement. I think they will stop at 7000 or 7500 (capacity is 12000). By the way prices of sections that sold out are huge for Turkey, like ranging from 2 to 20 minimum monthly wages...

[CoachZ]

Old in-bounds play from Mirko Novosel that was picked up by Ivkovic and passed on Obradovic. It's been in our NT playbook for 20+ years. Actually when you start going for a coaching license, you will study it.

So all the credit to great Mirko Novosel.

[cobalt]

Just saw this analysis, I am not an expert about basketball, but i always felt that, this game requires intelligence and lots of training. I will watch the games with a different aspect from now on.

https://twitter.com/fener_gif/status/875118867986644993

Subtitle Translations :

- Bobby Dixon moves to screen the player who defends Vesely
- Bogdanovic makes a fake move as if he will get the ball
- Vesely makes an easy run thanks to Bobby's screen
- While Kalinic passes the ball to Vesely, Udoh frees Bogdan with a screen
- Bogdan misses the free 3pt chance, but Fenerbahce still has the turn, Bogdan asks Kalinic to play the same set
- Bogdan : Same, same!
- The same set is yet to play, but from different side
- Bobby moves to screen the player who defends Vesely
- Vesely makes an easy run thanks to Bobby's screen
- Udoh frees Bogdan with a screen
- Free 3 pt shot by Bogdan, and game goes to timeout with a draw (TBL Final Series 3rd game agains Besiktas)

[vivo]

To our star...