EL 2024/25 - Rounds 13 & 14

[Levenspiel]

double game week.

round 13 (Dec 3rd & 4th)
Efes - Bayern Munich
Asvel - Real Madrid
Maccabi - Paris Basket
PAO - Barcelona
Baskonia - Fenerbahce
Partizan - Zalgiris
Monaco - Olympiacos
Milano - Crvena Zvezda
Virtus - Alba Berlin

round 14 (Dec 5th & 6th)
Zalgiris - Efes
Maccabi - Barcelona
Partizan - PAO
Bayern Munich - Baskonia
Real Madrid - Fenerbahce
Monaco - Alba Berlin
Olympiacos - Paris Basket
Virtus - Crvena Zvezda
Milano - Asvel

[Edgar]

Whole situation about Panathinaikos seems weird. So many players are underperforming. It's very obvious that a lot of players are not happy with their playing time and now it's very clear that some players are very nervous like Nunn and Papapetrou. I don't believe Papapetrou is suspended because he complained about playing time even though Ataman says that's the case. All of the players need to cut the crap.

[Toruko]

Whole situation about Panathinaikos seems weird. So many players are underperforming. It's very obvious that a lot of players are not happy with their playing time and now it's very clear that some players are very nervous like Nunn and Papapetrou. I don't believe Papapetrou is suspended because he complained about playing time even though Ataman says that's the case. All of the players need to cut the crap.

Ataman was never good when it came to deal with big rosters. Papapetrou is hardly talented enough to play Euroleague if you ask me. The competition for the Lithuanian cyclist is too strong too. Sloukas is a mystery, Nunn is not the guy who can make solid decisions if you ask me. Brown has been a disappointment so far as well as Cedi Osman.

[Toruko]

I read something like there was beef between Petrou and Nunn and Nunn was in the hospital. This would explain Petrous suspension. If Petrou really hit Nunn in the face, he must go.

[Edgar]

Ataman was never good when it came to deal with big rosters. Papapetrou is hardly talented enough to play Euroleague if you ask me. The competition for the Lithuanian cyclist is too strong too. Sloukas is a mystery, Nunn is not the guy who can make solid decisions if you ask me. Brown has been a disappointment so far as well as Cedi Osman.

I can't express how much I agree with you. I was also scared about so many good players being in the roster. Papapetrou is average at best. He was good years ago but not anymore. Grigonis can be 4th or 5th guard even though he played good, really good if you don't count end of the season last year and I am looking forward to see him back. He brought us 3 wins alone in the regular seasonlast year. Nunn looks so weird. I mean, his numbers are really good, it seems he is really locked in but for some reason he is very nervous. Last few games he was very close to be ejected. No idea what is wrong with his head. I think he tries too much.

Sloukas and Lorenzo are the biggest disappointments for me. And personally, I think they are the biggest reason for this not really good start. Even though we are 7-5 which is not bad I think we had to be 9-3 at least. Sloukas is so bad. I can't understand fans who are defending him daily. He earns so much but we are horrible with him, especially in the defense. The slowest we play is with him. He breathes heavily after 3 minutes. I think Ataman's system in PAO is not the best fit for Lorenzo. He needs fast pace system like he had with Perasovic and Kattash. 5 on 5 and then waiting for the mismatch is not something for him especially because he was never a good shooter for the 3 point. But I kinda trust him. I think Ataman will change some things during the season. For Sloukas idk...

Honestly I am disappointed will all 3 transfers. I know it's still early but Ataman will short the rotation in the 2nd half of the season 100%. Lorenzo for now is really bad. Osman...idk, I think he deserves to play more and it really looks he genuinely cares and tries a lot but obviously there is some reason Ataman doesn't give him more minutes. With Papapetrou and Grigonis out of the roster I expect this is the week Osman can fortify his position at SF. Yurtseven...he is good in the offense but my God sometimes he does the stupidest mistakes ever and in defense he is really not good.

The thing that makes me very optimistic is that we are 7-5, we have 3 games at home against Barca, Baskonia and Milano. 2 road games against Partizan and Efes. I think realistically we should get at least 3 wins. So that will be 10-11 wins after the first half of the season. And whole squad except Nunn, Lessort, Grant and Juancho is so underperforming so that's crazy good score. Mitoglou looks like someone took every piece of his talent.

[Edgar]

I read something like there was beef between Petrou and Nunn and Nunn was in the hospital. This would explain Petrous suspension. If Petrou really hit Nunn in the face, he must go.

Honestly, something is weird. Apparently Nunn has been sick. But my friends told me night before he had IG stories where he is outside laughing and having a great time. Then not even 18 hours later he is so sick he needs to go in hospital...and in the same time they announced he is sick and Papapetrou is suspended. Less than 2 hours before the game. Ataman says Papapetrou complained about lack of minutes but when you watch highlights from the 2nd half against Monaco (he played only in the 1st half) you can see that he is cheering for the teammates and laughing. So idk...I don't think they had physical fight but I think there might be something between them. Maybe they had verbal fight and Ataman decided to put them aside before the game in sunday and at the end he decided for Nunn to not be suspended because we obviously need him more than anyone.

That's the only logical explanation for me if something happened...like Pap was nervous, asked for more minutes, Nunn told him that he is playing like trash hahaha and they started to argue. Ataman decided that both of them won't play in sunday and to cover the story they decided to only tell about Papapetrou complaining about lack of minutes. I mean, Papapetrou did something but I still feel kinda sorry for him because he was here when no one was and he always gave everything for Panathinaikos so I don't think he deserves to be out of the squad if he just complained about minutes. Obviously if he did something more then he deserves suspension. Nunn looks fine on the pictures from tonight's practice so I think this is just one huge theory and Papapetrou actually did much more than complaining in the normal way or maybe they both complained about things haha

[Levenspiel]

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That's the only logical explanation for me if something happened...like Pap was nervous, asked for more minutes, Nunn told him that he is playing like trash hahaha and they started to argue. Ataman decided that both of them won't play in sunday and to cover the story they decided to only tell about Papapetrou complaining about lack of minutes. I mean, Papapetrou did something but I still feel kinda sorry for him because he was here when no one was and he always gave everything for Panathinaikos so I don't think he deserves to be out of the squad if he just complained about minutes. Obviously if he did something more then he deserves suspension. Nunn looks fine on the pictures from tonight's practice so I think this is just one huge theory and Papapetrou actually did much more than complaining in the normal way or maybe they both complained about things haha

I read some crazy theories elsewhere, involving ladies if you know what I mean, because initially Ataman told it was not his decision but the management's. Now he says the minutes, which does not make sense to me, but you guys know better.

[Edgar]

I read some crazy theories elsewhere, involving ladies if you know what I mean, because initially Ataman told it was not his decision but the management's. Now he says the minutes, which does not make sense to me, but you guys know better.

Haha, yeah I heard that also. So many theories. My friends told me so many stupid things also but Nunn confirmed via IG it's all lie so idk. I mean, his eye on tonight's practice actually looks swollen a little bit from some different angles.

[Jazz]

It sounds like there's a lot of gossip I've missed out on.

[janketa]

I can't express how much I agree with you. I was also scared about so many good players being in the roster. Papapetrou is average at best. He was good years ago but not anymore. Grigonis can be 4th or 5th guard even though he played good, really good if you don't count end of the season last year and I am looking forward to see him back. He brought us 3 wins alone in the regular seasonlast year. Nunn looks so weird. I mean, his numbers are really good, it seems he is really locked in but for some reason he is very nervous. Last few games he was very close to be ejected. No idea what is wrong with his head. I think he tries too much.

Sloukas and Lorenzo are the biggest disappointments for me. And personally, I think they are the biggest reason for this not really good start. Even though we are 7-5 which is not bad I think we had to be 9-3 at least. Sloukas is so bad. I can't understand fans who are defending him daily. He earns so much but we are horrible with him, especially in the defense. The slowest we play is with him. He breathes heavily after 3 minutes. I think Ataman's system in PAO is not the best fit for Lorenzo. He needs fast pace system like he had with Perasovic and Kattash. 5 on 5 and then waiting for the mismatch is not something for him especially because he was never a good shooter for the 3 point. But I kinda trust him. I think Ataman will change some things during the season. For Sloukas idk...

Honestly I am disappointed will all 3 transfers. I know it's still early but Ataman will short the rotation in the 2nd half of the season 100%. Lorenzo for now is really bad. Osman...idk, I think he deserves to play more and it really looks he genuinely cares and tries a lot but obviously there is some reason Ataman doesn't give him more minutes. With Papapetrou and Grigonis out of the roster I expect this is the week Osman can fortify his position at SF. Yurtseven...he is good in the offense but my God sometimes he does the stupidest mistakes ever and in defense he is really not good.

The thing that makes me very optimistic is that we are 7-5, we have 3 games at home against Barca, Baskonia and Milano. 2 road games against Partizan and Efes. I think realistically we should get at least 3 wins. So that will be 10-11 wins after the first half of the season. And whole squad except Nunn, Lessort, Grant and Juancho is so underperforming so that's crazy good score. Mitoglou looks like someone took every piece of his talent.

So you agree that Nunn is not the guy who can make solid decisions/ hm. Interesting
Printezis from enemy club considers him as the greatest talent ever came in Greece, which is probably true.

[paspalj]

I don't believe the gossip. Papapetrou is mediocre player but has never acted up like this so it would be weird. On top of that he is in the captain squad. I think the scenario that says that he was caught being a bit too nonchalant about some baskets that were made against us (maybe coupled with complaints about playing time) is the more realistic one. Obviously I don't have any inside info that's just my gut feeling.

In terms of Nunn faking being sick I think of this: when a player of this caliber goes to the hospital, he doesn't do it like us "normal people". We would go to the hospital if there was something very wrong. A player might need immediate attention even if he feels slightly sick because they need to pump him with hydrating IVs in order for him to recuperate much faster. I could be wrong on this. Now, whether he was out partying and then got sick...I don't know, that's also a possibility? Haven't you guys ever been out and then wake up feeling like shit the next morning?

[markkanen]

I just hope that we will stay in the game long enough to make Partizan players nervous. It seems that they don't know how to win close games, and our players could use that in our advantage. We must grab one win in this week, let's win against Partizan away!

[janketa]

WTF Mijatovic played without his beloved Willis and Johnson He used Hollatz too
I don't think he is smart but at least he did at last what he had to do from the start.

[Levenspiel]

WTF Mijatovic played without his beloved Willis and Johnson He used Hollatz too
I don't think he is smart but at least he did at last what he had to do from the start.

someone said Mijatovic seems to learn from his mistakes, but then he makes brand new ones every week.

[coinho]

Kendrick Nunn is one class above every other player in the Euroleague.
Without him Pao is not in top 5 teams in the league imo, with him they are probably first favorites. What a game changer.