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Everybody had doubt about Partizan chemistry regarding it's new roster, but seems to me they are already better oiled then some so called favorites. I won't change again my prediction but Obradovic has big power in his hands at last.
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Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post
Not that I'm too much invested in budgets, but this is the most Partizan has been stable in years and years. Nunnally is ridiculous story, he is salty for being left out of the team, there is nothing there.
What are the actual BAT cases against Partizan right now?
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Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
Monaco will play pretty open basketball and James should create some for Korkmaz surely. So the team fits kinda well. But it will be interesting how much he can create for himself and stuff. If it's 13ppg with so so efficiency than it's meh. It will only show that the gap between NBA and EL getting smaller and smaller.
Osman will play in stacked PAO so no-one will ask hero ball from him, just bring a little bit of everything and be glue guy.
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostWill be super interesting to see how such pieces as Korkmaz, Osman will look in EL. We seen with Herna bros that they were either slightly or highly disappointed. In EL there's less space for creation, spot up shooting and so in. It's harder to shoot in EL, even though some Athletic players get the better of it, three point range in closer.
korkmaz role will be much more crucial for monaco than osman. he adds size to an oversized team and also will help with offensive and defensive transition where PANATHINAIKOS was awful last season and defending against big SF like colson or hezonja.
i would not like to be part of a team trying to attack against this lineup. great defenders (apart from lessort who is ok if he tries to defend, he usually doesnt care though) and offensively unlimited upside
grant
nunn
osman
juancho
lessort
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
Korkmaz is a natural scorer but hell need time. Nevertheless, a 13-15 points range is possible. His defense does not look promising though at the moment at least. Osman on the other hand is an all rounder but hell be a difference maker on the defensive end as well as attacking close outs or in fast break situations. He was never a great shooter but Sloukas and Brown should be able to create him open shots.
Osman will play in stacked PAO so no-one will ask hero ball from him, just bring a little bit of everything and be glue guy.
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Originally posted by Straight forward View PostWill be super interesting to see how such pieces as Korkmaz, Osman will look in EL. We seen with Herna bros that they were either slightly or highly disappointed. In EL there's less space for creation, spot up shooting and so in. It's harder to shoot in EL, even though some Athletic players get the better of it, three point range in closer.
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Will be super interesting to see how such pieces as Korkmaz, Osman will look in EL. We seen with Herna bros that they were either slightly or highly disappointed. In EL there's less space for creation, spot up shooting and so in. It's harder to shoot in EL, even though some Athletic players get the better of it, three point range in closer.
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Originally posted by Edgar View Post
Well now you can't stay on the point of discussion. Okay, find me the season where you had let say 3 teams that are favourites for top4 and about 5 to 7 teams that are playoff, not play-in but playoff material with at least 3 to 4 teams that are material for the play-in. I am waiting.
And I don't understand why did you mention Partizan and Pao in the same sentence. I have never ever said Partizan is the small club or something like that. But you seem salty because other teams have money to invest and Partizan doesn't. But when they did have money to bring Punter and Leday from the EL F4 into EC then it was okay. Oh my bad, that's not point of discussion! And all these BAT cases against Partizan are reality. Don't talk about someone's finance when you are allowed to play in the EL and couple of years before you had lawsuit by lawsuit on your neck while Nunnally says Partizan doesn't pay on the time.
I mentionned Partizan and Pao first? LOL. Do some reading comrehension or at least understand what you want to write about.
The only reason I'm salty is because both Partiazn and Zvezda don't develop enough young domestic talents. That's it. I'm jelaous at Pao because of Giannakopoulos' money...LOL. Money was never Partizan's thing, and that's exactly what made them unique - one of the most influential traditional clubs in Euro basketball without spending big money throughout its history. They are who they are on their own respurces - players, coaches, basketball schooI. Tough to understand for Giannakopoulos' disciple. LOL
Not that I'm too much invested in budgets, but this is the most Partizan has been stable in years and years. Nunnally is ridiculous story, he is salty for being left out of the team, there is nothing there.
What are the actual BAT cases against Partizan right now?
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Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post
Can you stay with the point of discussion? You wrote that this is the best Euroleague season ever in terms of talent depth, then I replied very clearly that it's just not true. And I can write as many arguments as you want to back it up. It's not my fault if you think basketball started 20 years ago. Then, you bring Partizan...Bursa...budgets...modern Pao...and bunch of completely irrelevant stuff in this discussion. If you can throw some counter arguments I will be glad to hear them out, if you can't – don't spin.
I said that not much changed in Euroleague since last season aside from the fact that Pao and Oly's owners are measuring their dicks with new shiny toys. What is not true there? Euroleague didn't get better because of that. I don't care how much money they throw for new players, but I certainly know that in the context of Euro club basketball it doesn't change anything, because everything else remains the same. The rich got richer and it doesn't say anything about all other clubs except making the gap talent even bigger. That doesn't mean this is the best season ever, it's exactly the opposite. Can you understand that?
Real, Barca, Pao, Oly, Fener and maybe Monaco and that's it. All other teams are not close to their level (surprises are certainly possible and I hope so). Off course they all have chances to fight for the 7-10th place.
Partizan shouldn't be allowed to play in Europe with the „history“ like that, that's a good one. This club made the history of European basketball when some other „modern“ clubs were nowhere to be found on basketball map. But you don't know that since you started to watch basketball 20 years ago. Without Partizan's history there wouldn't be most of Pao's history. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
By the way, you can find Partizan's financial report and see how much money came from Government. Then come back and preach some more.
If a team is competitive, why do you care where the money is coming from? If you go that way, then what do you say about Monaco and their owner and his money? So, it's OK to be funded by criminal owner but it's not OK to be funded by Government. LOL
And I don't understand why did you mention Partizan and Pao in the same sentence. I have never ever said Partizan is the small club or something like that. But you seem salty because other teams have money to invest and Partizan doesn't. But when they did have money to bring Punter and Leday from the EL F4 into EC then it was okay. Oh my bad, that's not point of discussion! And all these BAT cases against Partizan are reality. Don't talk about someone's finance when you are allowed to play in the EL and couple of years before you had lawsuit by lawsuit on your neck while Nunnally says Partizan doesn't pay on the time.
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Originally posted by Edgar View Post
Didn't watch basketball in the 80s or 90s. So no point to discuss about that. Since I started to watch basketball (2003, 04) this is the season with the most teams with the chances for the PO. Even Bayern for me has chances for the play-in at least. Paris, Alba and Asvel no. Everyone else yes.
And I assume you were also saying the same about budgets when Partizan had by far the biggest budget in the history of the EC and then lost against Bursa Tuttifrutti in the full Belgrade Arena? Partizan had bigger budget than Khimki had with Rice and the co. Then it was okay... Since the start of the modern Euroleague, Panathinaikos is the biggest club. And still we had period since 2012 until the last season when we didn't have top 5 budget at all. 11 years! Even when Pascual was the coach we were not even close to Real, Barca, Fener, CSKA, Efes, Armani...not to mention when Pedoulakis, Pitino, Priftis were coaches...and now when we do it's a problem. But it's not a problem when Partizan has money to bring Leday and Punter in the EC straight from the EL F4? When you change completely new team while Nunnally says you are not paying on the time...not to mention cases of Parkhouski, Trinchieri, Milutinov, Muric...they have all sued Partizan. You shouldn't even be allowed to play Europe with the history like that and with the goverment giving you the money...And Oly always had modest, not big budget year by year since 2011/12 until this year.
I said that not much changed in Euroleague since last season aside from the fact that Pao and Oly's owners are measuring their dicks with new shiny toys. What is not true there? Euroleague didn't get better because of that. I don't care how much money they throw for new players, but I certainly know that in the context of Euro club basketball it doesn't change anything, because everything else remains the same. The rich got richer and it doesn't say anything about all other clubs except making the gap talent even bigger. That doesn't mean this is the best season ever, it's exactly the opposite. Can you understand that?
Real, Barca, Pao, Oly, Fener and maybe Monaco and that's it. All other teams are not close to their level (surprises are certainly possible and I hope so). Off course they all have chances to fight for the 7-10th place.
Partizan shouldn't be allowed to play in Europe with the „history“ like that, that's a good one. This club made the history of European basketball when some other „modern“ clubs were nowhere to be found on basketball map. But you don't know that since you started to watch basketball 20 years ago. Without Partizan's history there wouldn't be most of Pao's history. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
By the way, you can find Partizan's financial report and see how much money came from Government. Then come back and preach some more.
If a team is competitive, why do you care where the money is coming from? If you go that way, then what do you say about Monaco and their owner and his money? So, it's OK to be funded by criminal owner but it's not OK to be funded by Government. LOL
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Originally posted by Serbian_Layup View Post
No, it doesn't. Few teams that were already good last year got stronger, the rest is pretty much a cripple fight.
Late 80's, 90's, early 00's are by far the best eras of Euro ball when it comes to club competition. Take the best Euroleague player from this season and compare him to top 10-15 players from those periods. He ain't better than any single one of them.
Just because Pao and Oly and their patrons are engaging in some stupid personal wars, or better say dick measuring contest, it doesn't mean this season is historic in terms of talent by any means.
And I assume you were also saying the same about budgets when Partizan had by far the biggest budget in the history of the EC and then lost against Bursa Tuttifrutti in the full Belgrade Arena? Partizan had bigger budget than Khimki had with Rice and the co. Then it was okay... Since the start of the modern Euroleague, Panathinaikos is the biggest club. And still we had period since 2012 until the last season when we didn't have top 5 budget at all. 11 years! Even when Pascual was the coach we were not even close to Real, Barca, Fener, CSKA, Efes, Armani...not to mention when Pedoulakis, Pitino, Priftis were coaches...and now when we do it's a problem. But it's not a problem when Partizan has money to bring Leday and Punter in the EC straight from the EL F4? When you change completely new team while Nunnally says you are not paying on the time...not to mention cases of Parkhouski, Trinchieri, Milutinov, Muric...they have all sued Partizan. You shouldn't even be allowed to play Europe with the history like that and with the goverment giving you the money...And Oly always had modest, not big budget year by year since 2011/12 until this year.
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Originally posted by Edgar View Post
If Partizan ends at 3rd place I will become Fener's fan. I do think they might be surprise of the season if Washington and Jones will be good duo but even if that happens a lot of other things has to happen for them to be top 6. This season has the most teams with great rosters ever.
Late 80's, 90's, early 00's are by far the best eras of Euro ball when it comes to club competition. Take the best Euroleague player from this season and compare him to top 10-15 players from those periods. He ain't better than any single one of them.
Just because Pao and Oly and their patrons are engaging in some stupid personal wars, or better say dick measuring contest, it doesn't mean this season is historic in terms of talent by any means.
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1. PAO :Stacked and already have chemistry. Lorenzo for Vildoza is a massive upgrade. We were weak at SF we sign Osman, we were weak at C, we sign Yurseven,
2. Oly. Stacked but need to find chemistry. Too much happening at 1-2 and this will be an issue for Barjokas,
3. RM. Lost some old players but still top-top team
4. Monaco. Furkan is a great signing. Calathes is a good 6th man.
5. Fener. Good balance but weak at C.
6. Barca. Decent al round team will always be a threat. Alot depends if Punter will be good.
7.Partizan. Good signings but will be a challenge to make them all gel.
8. Baskonia. Kept key players and have better coach. Usually find good players most weren't expecting to be special.
9. Efes. If Shane can have a good season, they will make the play ins.
10. Zalgiris because of Trinkieri who manages to get more out of his players and plays nice bball+ a strong faithful home court.
The rest are more of less the same level. Asvel and Paris are complete dogshit for this level. RS is weird and one of the worst made rosters. Only Lazic and CMM and guard effectively. average forwards and almost non existent C's. It's a shame CMM will be wasted in such a team. Armani are very weak at guard positions. Virtus meh....German teams with no ambition and Maccabi severely weakened before of war situation.Last edited by EverGreen; 09-08-2024, 08:38 AM.
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