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  • EL 2023/24 Play-Offs: Panathinaikos - Maccabi

    I think this is the best match-up of the play-offs. Who do you think will win?
    18
    Panathinaikos 3-0
    16.67%
    3
    Panathinaikos 3-1
    38.89%
    7
    Panathinaikos 3-2
    33.33%
    6
    Maccabi 2-3
    5.56%
    1
    Maccabi 1-3
    5.56%
    1
    Maccabi 0-3
    0%
    0
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  • #2
    Can we keep discussion between Pao fans and Maccabi fans civil? Despite long long rivalry there always was a connection. And I think PAO fans should remember Kattash with some gratitude at least. EL cup and double in Greece with shitty roster as head coach.
    We should look forward to good playoff series, two good teams, both in great form. Let's concentrate on basketball. As for politics, if Maccabi was playing home this season, we would be in playoffs with HCA.
    Yalla Maccabi!!!

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    • #3
      I don't like Maccabi's roster, but it's a fact that they are the best coached team

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      • #4
        Originally posted by janketa View Post
        I don't like Maccabi's roster, but it's a fact that they are the best coached team
        Look, Webb is disappointing so far, Rivero is Ok. Cleveland improved much lately, and Lorenzo, until tonight, wasn't himself too. I miss Martin a bit (middle of last season version). DiBa is better this year. Blatt is better than he was in Alba. Not F4 roster, probably, but they do dance on the floor.
        Yalla Maccabi!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
          As for politics, if Maccabi was playing home this season, we would be in playoffs with HCA.
          No home games, worries for wives and children, constant moving, empty halls.
          Regardless of how Maccabi will play with PAO, this season can already be considered very successful.

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          • #6
            I am maybe biased but I have 3-0. 1st game is the key for me. Panathinaikos will have huge pressure. I still have bad memories from the series with HCA against Fener where we had like 20 points advantage in the game 1 and then scored like 7 points in the 2nd half... or against Real where we dissapeared in the game 2 when we could go in Madrid with 2-0. So G1 is huge. 1-0 lead and everything is easier. I think quality is on our side by 60-40. But full OAKA and empty Stark arena is the biggest difference. The pressure on refs in OAKA will be enormous.

            About players obviously fight between guards will be the most important. Nunn vs Baldwin, Sloukas vs Lorenzo. Also Grant...if he will be 100% healthy that means so much. Can Vildoza finally score something... And can Di Bartolomeo and Blatt stop being splash brothers against Pao...

            Colson destroyed us both times but now we have Papapetrou with more minutes and more importantly Juancho. If Colson goes at PF position then Juancho should play because Mitoglou is too slow for Colson.

            Lessort should dominate Nebo and hopefully Antetokoumpo will bring the energy and hustle and I think Mitoglou should play at 5 also the same we did against Olympiacos everytime we defeated them. Bring Nebo outside of the paint, have so much room for Juancho, Sloukas and most importantly for Nunn to penetrate.

            All in all, I think it won't be easy but on the muscles we will have 2-0 lead after OAKA and then I can see Pao solves everything in Belgrade in G3 or G4.

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            • #7
              well, first of all , Pana is a better team coached by a great coach. we have chances to win just in case brown-baldwin would have high shooting percent, something rarely happen this year. but also, we should play perimentral basket attempting around 30 triples per game. i bet alas Pana will increase 3p attempts per game. sure,if we count on the paint as in our historical focus, no way

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Edgar View Post
                I am maybe biased but I have 3-0..
                You are always biased, especially as Fener hater

                I follow your posts and seems you are ok guy with decent basketball knowledge(except when Fener is topic). But why such hate toward Fener, we are weak team with clowns, without any chance to make something next 2 seasons, Then why such stand when you know very well that we are not contender and Pao is miles above us?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by janketa View Post

                  You are always biased, especially as Fener hater

                  I follow your posts and seems you are ok guy with decent basketball knowledge(except when Fener is topic). But why such hate toward Fener, we are weak team with clowns, without any chance to make something next 2 seasons, Then why such stand when you know very well that we are not contender and Pao is miles above us?
                  Pao is not miles above Fener, chill. There was a three win difference between us, not thirteen

                  Also, I don't have skin in this little feud but hating on a team has little to do with how close they are to your team ​

                  For the series:
                  I voted for Pao 3-2. I honestly have no idea how this can go. Only a 3-0 on either side would surprise me. I haven't seen us in a playoff series in forever. OAKA has proven to be a fortress but
                  1. Maccabi won there
                  2. To re-iterate my initial thought, I have no idea how the team will react in such a crucial game.

                  I can lean towards what Edgar said for lack of better ideas. If we win first game then maybe that takes some pressure off and we'll be able to perform at the level that we can.

                  I think that generally we have a better team than Maccabi but they have
                  1. A pretty strong frontline
                  2. Two incredible guards
                  3. A supporting cast that could (under some conditions) deliver.

                  They have not been consistent and I'm hoping that after the amazing game they had with Baskonia they are going to regress to the mean instead of gaining momentum. From Pao's offensive repertoire we kinda know what to expect. I want to emphasize on our defense because I think that if we keep Maccabi at 80 points we have pretty good chances.

                  On the technical side:
                  They execute the Spain PnR pretty well and if the weak side collapses and the threes start falling, we're going to have issues. In addition, I can see their PnR with the little handoff on the side being an issue, especially if it involves Mitoglou on defense. Futhermore (I'm using all the connective words we learned in English classes ) they are pretty strong on the transition PnR and will not hesitate to make things happen in the first 1/3 of the clock. Imo (I'm not a specialist) we have to be very aggressive with hedging to cut off potential quick and easy passes down below.

                  Anyway, I'm very excited that we're back at this level
                  Last edited by paspalj; 04-17-2024, 09:53 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Maccabi in their current form is one of the three best teams in Europe. If they had Menora, they might have been in second place instead of PAO. Don't underestimate them.

                    I think the series will end 3-2, I'm leaning towards PAO winning them eventually (Baldwin getting into foul-problem, and Lorenzo missing a lot of shots), but Maccabi may surprise. Either way it'll be one hell of a series. (;

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                    • #11
                      I think Maccabi can take it, but it will be hard. I hope EL sends their best referees, who can withstand pressure. Looks like Lorenzo mostly over his injury, and said after last game that pain is gone. So if he come even at 2/3rds of what he gave against Basconia, we have a chance. Coulson always shows up and Baldwin is strong contender of Season MVP title. Much will depend on supporting team, hopefully Web will hit at least some of his 3 point shots, Sorkin can be a factor, Blatt and Cleveland are an X-factor as well. And I also hope that DiBa will be ready too, he was missed. Lessort, Mitoglou, Slokas, Juancho and Nun are impressive, so it will be tough.

                      P.S. stupid Israeli League scheduled unimportant (for Maccabi - they have secured third round home advantage already) game on Saturday evening... Unfortunately, Maccabi can't play with youth, but I guess they will just play with Omer Mayer and Thomason, Rivero and Webb only.
                      Last edited by MikeMaccabiFan; 04-17-2024, 11:51 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by janketa View Post

                        You are always biased, especially as Fener hater

                        I follow your posts and seems you are ok guy with decent basketball knowledge(except when Fener is topic). But why such hate toward Fener, we are weak team with clowns, without any chance to make something next 2 seasons, Then why such stand when you know very well that we are not contender and Pao is miles above us?
                        I just maybe enjoy when I bait you? And how the hell are you miles below us? You had 2 wins less...
                        Last edited by Edgar; 04-18-2024, 12:11 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Ehm, I can agree with the people who are saying it will be 3-2 for Panathinaikos but as I said, if we win G1 I can see 3-0. I don't think Maccabi can score more than 80 points in OAKA in both games. They are very good team in the steals and deflections but their defense is not good. If Sloukas connects everything and plays like he does last month and a half then I am optimistic. Obviously our best defenders (Grant, Juancho, Lessort...) have to be good to stop Baldwin and Colson. Also one more thing, I don't think Lorenzo will have good series. I just don't see it. If he does then Baldwin won't. I ask anyone to show me one game in the last 20 games in the EL from Panathinaikos where both guards of the opponent had good game. Nunn and Grant have most of the guards under the control. I see Lorenzo's game against Baskonia as something that happens rarely. He won't shoot like that against Panathinaikos again, there is no way. And OAKA full, I don't see what refs can stand the pressure, especially if the things starts to go bad for Pao.

                          P.S-I bought the tickets for both games, but I saw it very late so instead the stand behind the benches where I always go I had to buy tickets for the "Bronze zone" which is basically near the tunnel, immediately above the VIP seats. Don't even ask me how much it cost hahaha. If they disappoint me I am asking DPG for the refund.

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                          • #14
                            By choosing PAO 3-2, I'm going against my conviction that Maccabi is the better team. That's still true, but not always enough to win a series.
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                            • #15
                              About Lorenzo - as I wrote, he played a lot of games with nerve pain, which is now gone, so he could be back. Both him and Baldwin were great in last game, so they do not cancel each other. DiBa always shows foe big games, don't know how he will be after injury. Blatt is possibly in top 3 of replacement point guards in EL ans he does have balls of iron.
                              The big advantage is that Maccabi plays on automat lately. They are the best coached team in competition. It is very hard to anyone to keep them on 80 points. Defense will talk, we will see.Hope Monica Baldwin travels with Maccabi, Wade is much calmer with his mom nearby. She is one tough lady with 26 years of FBI service... I always have a hope.
                              Yalla Maccabi!!!

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