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Like you correctly said, they were more hungry than Real, if Real played that game like they used to know, we would see close game at best for Panathinaikos. I think that it is extremely hard for any european team to beat Real in Madrid.
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Originally posted by markkanen View Post
Well, you received the gift in Madrid, so there is that.I mean, if you really think that Real losing against any team in front of their fans with such a huge point difference, than what we are talking about?
What is Real Madrid, Chicago Bulls 1995/1996 so they are not beatable in their court and they "gifted" win to Panathinaikos.
I mean Real Madrid is the best in EL, but also Panathinaikos is 3rd best (in my opinion) so like i said, that is nothing to do with "gifts", just Pao was better in that match and more hungry for that W.
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
Fenerbahce isnt Maccabi and dependant on Wilbekin alone. I dont see any scenario where Oly can beat FB rn.
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Originally posted by Edgar View PostPanathinaikos fans are really the unluckiest people ever. We just can't catch a break with the other resultsI mean, if you really think that Real losing against any team in front of their fans with such a huge point difference, than what we are talking about?
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Originally posted by Edgar View Post
WHAAAAAAT?! Hahahaahaha you have to be kidding me.
Ok, here we go.
Navarro played in the slow ball era. Anyway he averaged 15 points back then year by year. When he won his 1st title he had great contribution when he was very young. 2010, Barca champions, he is the F4 MVP. Destroyed Oly in the final game. Year before he is EL MVP. Winning MVP back then was much tougher than now. And he always played 20-25 mins. Pascual was always the coach who shared minutes properly. He didn't have Ataman as a coach. If he had he would play 30-35 mins and average 20 points per game. If he plays now he would have 20 points easy per game.
Llull, 3 times champion. EL MVP. Like Navarro played 20 mins average per game. Most importantly had biggest balls every time Real needed. Clutch and winning player. Larkin showed he can't win anything without Micic. Llull at F4 -
2015- had great games against Oly and Fener
2018- he is the only reason why Real won against CSKA
2023- after injuries and everything that happened and at his age he scored shot for the title. WINNING PLAYER. Micic was the one who was making crucial shots for Efes at the F4s.
Larkin has 0 MVPs, 0 F4 MVPs. Only thing he has is scoring title, same as Navarro. Llull was never main scorer. He does everything. Larkin didn't do anything in Baskonia. He floped this year so hard. Last year same story. When Micic was healthy Efes was playing great. Without him they are crap.
I repeat, If Navarro plays now or if Llull is 5, 6 years younger they would average 20 points. If you talk about numbers than Nigel Hayes is better player than Fotsis or Printezis because he averages more points? Or Lorenzo Brown better than Spanoulis? Your dearly WilbeKING than Diamantidis? That's crazy way to compare.
Maybe you can make the case Larkin is better than Llull even for me he isn't but to say he is better than Navarro is crime against humanity.
I see you didn't understand my post and meaning regarding Larkin
He needs one more title, in Efes,Pao or Fener never mind, But if he reach that goal then Micic and Navaro won't be arguments anymore.
I won't comment about Llull because you know that all what you wrote is nonsence and strange wish to dominate without any reason.
Next time try with Doncic, Bogdan, Parker or guy who played for Fener De Colo
I am sorry you are late in this story because if you were here last season, you could see what is Efes with Micic and without Larkin(1st half of the season)Last edited by janketa; 03-31-2024, 10:36 PM.
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
I have to talk back here. Do or die games are decided by difference making players. Oly might be a good team with solid role distributions etc. but Fenerbahce has more and better creating players. Dorsey, Biberovic, Davis let alone Wilbekin can decide a game. Oly doesnt have a single perimeter player who could do so.
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Originally posted by janketa View Post
Yes, you are biased a lot. I mean Navaro, Llull, they were not even main players in titles. For instance, Doncic was the guy in wining his 2nd title, Tavares in 3rd, Chacho in 1st
If I would biased as you the best player in EL was Bogdan, but he left too early and didn't win enough titles to be considered as the best.
Larkin needs one more title to make step ahead of Parker, who won 2 in a row as main player. Larkin has the most Mvp of the round awards so far and he is still active
I am talking about numbers and you about perception
Ok, here we go.
Navarro played in the slow ball era. Anyway he averaged 15 points back then year by year. When he won his 1st title he had great contribution when he was very young. 2010, Barca champions, he is the F4 MVP. Destroyed Oly in the final game. Year before he is EL MVP. Winning MVP back then was much tougher than now. And he always played 20-25 mins. Pascual was always the coach who shared minutes properly. He didn't have Ataman as a coach. If he had he would play 30-35 mins and average 20 points per game. If he plays now he would have 20 points easy per game.
Llull, 3 times champion. EL MVP. Like Navarro played 20 mins average per game. Most importantly had biggest balls every time Real needed. Clutch and winning player. Larkin showed he can't win anything without Micic. Llull at F4 -
2015- had great games against Oly and Fener
2018- he is the only reason why Real won against CSKA
2023- after injuries and everything that happened and at his age he scored shot for the title. WINNING PLAYER. Micic was the one who was making crucial shots for Efes at the F4s.
Larkin has 0 MVPs, 0 F4 MVPs. Only thing he has is scoring title, same as Navarro. Llull was never main scorer. He does everything. Larkin didn't do anything in Baskonia. He floped this year so hard. Last year same story. When Micic was healthy Efes was playing great. Without him they are crap.
I repeat, If Navarro plays now or if Llull is 5, 6 years younger they would average 20 points. If you talk about numbers than Nigel Hayes is better player than Fotsis or Printezis because he averages more points? Or Lorenzo Brown better than Spanoulis? Your dearly WilbeKING than Diamantidis? That's crazy way to compare.
Maybe you can make the case Larkin is better than Llull even for me he isn't but to say he is better than Navarro is crime against humanity.
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Originally posted by janketa View Post
It wasn't regular game, it was fighting for HCA
1st chance was against Pao and we lost, against Milan was 2nd chance and we lost in similar way
3rd will be probably against Oly. I will be happy if I am mistaking
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
Considering your logic Real Madrid has 0 chance. RS games doesnt say anything at this stage. Losing here and there is better than starting high and ending like Real Madrid. Losing a couple games sharpens you. Its even better.
1st chance was against Pao and we lost, against Milan was 2nd chance and we lost in similar way
3rd will be probably against Oly. I will be happy if I am mistaking
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Originally posted by janketa View Post
Take a look again on game against Milan
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
It made click somewhere in the season. Like I said FB has weaknesses but other teams have more serious weaknesses and I strongly doubt that any team except Real Madrid can expose and exploit these weaknesses.
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