EL2023/24 - Gameday 8

[Spittifiz]

14 nov
monaco v efes
maccabi v olympiacos
valencia v real madrid
virtus bologna v milano
crvena zvezda v fener
15 nov
alba berlin v asvel
panathinaikos v zalgiris
bayern munich v partizan
baskonia v barca

[Obina]

Prime Teo in the house.

[janketa]

Better ball movement and sharing tonight from Efes and result is obvious. 2nd most talented team(after CZ) but bad coached until now. Clown Can at least gave some minutes to Pleiss

The most talented team in competition like expected beat the least talented team Fener. Margin is bigger then expected just because Willbekin and friends didn't play defense. They were like tourists there

[janketa]

Interesting that Tarik is on 75-58-100, 8 points average in 15 minutes per game. Beside he played more then solid defense. But still he didn't get the real chance in EL from Itoudis

[Levenspiel]

Better ball movement and sharing tonight from Efes and result is obvious. 2nd most talented team(after CZ) but bad coached until now. Clown Can at least gave some minutes to Pleiss

Come on, you have to give some credit to Can today. Larkin bought into his plan, deferred to Thompson when asked, moved the ball perfectly when it was his turn, and it was pure joy to watch. (I think Can called a play "special Shane", where he drives and then kicks out to one of the two shooters on the wings. We scored at least 3x 3 pointers like that with Thompson and Beaubois).

First time this season, I really enjoyed the game today. Great effort from the guard trio, and surprisingly also from Willis and Jones, who were quite good last week too.

And Yilmaz should always get minutes, regardless of his PIR. The key piece that we were missing for a long time.

[janketa]

Come on, you have to give some credit to Can today.

I said bad coached until now, so it's some kind of credit After Milan game we will see if it's just fluke or true improvement

[Jazz]

What a disastrous start to the season for Milano.

[Spittifiz]

i dont expect fener to win until pierre, guduric and calathes are back on the court. i didnt watch yesterdays game, but the score is very humiliating.

[Edgar]

Does anyone else think Monaco is overrated? Their schedule was one of the easiest. They have the same team like last year + Cornelie who is nothing special. Kemba is washed, Motiejunas runs like he is 80 yo and John Brown in the offense is quite something... even this 5-3 record is misleading because both games against Zvezda and Milano were literally on the last ball. And they have wins against Alba, Maccabi and Asvel also. All at home. They depend too much on James and I don't fancy them that much. For me they will be a playoff team but for sure I don't see them fighting for the title or that they are some dark horse. On the other hand Virtus plays beautiful and if they stay healthy they can be surprise of the season.

[ronmercer80]

Does anyone else think Monaco is overrated? Their schedule was one of the easiest. They have the same team like last year + Cornelie who is nothing special. Kemba is washed, Motiejunas runs like he is 80 yo and John Brown in the offense is quite something... even this 5-3 record is misleading because both games against Zvezda and Milano were literally on the last ball. And they have wins against Alba, Maccabi and Asvel also. All at home. They depend too much on James and I don't fancy them that much. For me they will be a playoff team but for sure I don't see them fighting for the title or that they are some dark horse. On the other hand Virtus plays beautiful and if they stay healthy they can be surprise of the season.

The main problem is Okobo and his awful stats till now. If he doesn't wake up it will be a difficult season, indeed. Keeping Blossomgame was an error, I have already written about that.

[janketa]

Zalgiris has the best system in EL, not the best roster though. With bigger budget(lets say like Itoudis's) they would be almost unbeatable

[Dreamcatcher]

What an ugly game in Athenus.

[Edgar]

Zalgiris is TOUGH! You can't break them. Everyone is doing their job. I think Ataman is too harsh on Guy. There is no reason why he played 2 mins in the last 3 games. Pao needs someone running out of the blocks to clear the room for Lessort in the paint. This is too static and predictable offense with Grant and Sloukas passing each other 10 m away from the basket. Grant is very good. Doing everything a little bit, best defender by far of all guards. Btw, I think I am not very far from the truth that Mitoglou might be the best player right now in the Europe. Not the biggest quality and skills but definitely in the best form and how he plays. He is playing out of his mind.

[saras]

I wish the airplane carrying the 3 clown referees at OAKA to never reach its destination

[Levenspiel]

What an ugly game in Athenus.

Yeah. It was not an easy game on the eyes.

I am also quite confused on the refereeing this year, especially after official reviews: Continuation, goaltending, offensive fouls, all seem to be called differently across the games in the same week. How was Hayes' touch on the rim not an interference? How was it an offensive foul on Hayes (vs a self-flying Lessort), why did Monaco shot free throws after an Efes offensive foul (Beaubois) when there was no rebound, how did Francisco & Bayern today get a continuation call at the beginning of a layup?