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  • EL2022/23 - All Euroleague 1st & 2nd teams

    So, EL has announced the All Euroleague teams:

    1st team
    - Walter Tavares (Real Madrid)
    - Sasha Vezenkov (Olympiacos)
    - Mathias Lessort (Partizan)
    - Dzanan Musa (Real Madrid)
    - Lorenzo Brown (Maccabi)

    2nd team
    - Nikola Mirotic (Barcelona)
    - Mike James (Monaco)
    - Wade Baldwin (Maccabi)
    - Kevin Punter (Partizan)
    - Darius Thompson (Baskonia)
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  • #2
    Don't wanna sound like baby boomer or gen x, but there used to be more Euros. Not a single elite European real guard...Sloukas could be there though.

    Vezenkov most likely will be Sacramento King next season.
    LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

    Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
    Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
    Buzelis, Lelevicius
    Murauskas, Sirvydis
    Tubelis, Krivas

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
      Don't wanna sound like baby boomer or gen x, but there used to be more Euros. Not a single elite European real guard...Sloukas could be there though.

      Vezenkov most likely will be Sacramento King next season.
      Euroleague is basically a league for players, who are not good enough for playing in Nba. Dumpyard for Americans.

      No chance for Vezenkov to do anything in Nba. He will be bench warmer for a year or 2.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post

        No chance for Vezenkov to do anything in Nba. He will be bench warmer for a year or 2.
        Offensively he will be OK. Sabonis will make a player out of him with constant feeding. Defensively I have no idea if he can survive, but Kings are about offense, They are trying to become best team in NBA with offense alone generally.
        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
        Buzelis, Lelevicius
        Murauskas, Sirvydis
        Tubelis, Krivas

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

          Offensively he will be OK. Sabonis will make a player out of him with constant feeding. Defensively I have no idea if he can survive, but Kings are about offense, They are trying to become best team in NBA with offense alone generally.
          What constant feeding? They won't get him a chance. If he was first round pick and 5 years younger, they might, but not in his case.

          He's not big enough for 4, not athletic enough for a wing and has no ball handling skills. No chance whatsoever.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post

            What constant feeding? They won't get him a chance. If he was first round pick and 5 years younger, they might, but not in his case.

            He's not big enough for 4, not athletic enough for a wing and has no ball handling skills. No chance whatsoever.
            Spot up threes and cuts. That will be his thing. He'll get a chance, at least at first.
            LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

            Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
            Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
            Buzelis, Lelevicius
            Murauskas, Sirvydis
            Tubelis, Krivas

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Straight forward View Post

              Spot up threes and cuts. That will be his thing. He'll get a chance, at least at first.
              Unfortunately he won't. There's a hierarchy in Nba and he will be deep on the bench. If he could play D, he might be useful, but I doubt that very much.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Straight forward View Post
                Don't wanna sound like baby boomer or gen x, but there used to be more Euros. Not a single elite European real guard...Sloukas could be there though.
                What about the greatest Spanish guard ever, Lorenzo Brown?

                On a serious note, I found a few names in this selection weird. Musa in the first team? No Clyburn?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
                  What about the greatest Spanish guard ever, Lorenzo Brown?

                  On a serious note, I found a few names in this selection weird. Musa in the first team? No Clyburn?
                  ​​​​​​
                  Euroleauge must clarify the period that it takes into consideraition

                  these are the best 5 of regular season? or the best 5 of regular+playoffs?.
                  2 Players from Madrid are too many,especially if Llull is not the one : )
                  Tavares was a monster in the Playoffs and the reason among Llull(or the stupidity of Punter) that Real won the series so ok he deserve to be there.
                  But if Playoffs count then Baldwin must be there for sure and of course not Musa.
                  Clyburn obviously was ignored because the big failure of Efes,and this is a good point.

                  If we take into consideration both Playoffs and regular season my best 5 would be

                  Baldwin
                  Punter
                  Veze
                  Miro
                  Tavares

                  with second Sloukas/Lorenzo/James/Motley/Lessort

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                  • #10
                    There is absolutely no room in the NBA for Vezenkov. Not even a legend like Spanoulis was able to get some playing time. He's pretty good for EL but in order to make it in the NBA without freak athleticism you need to be a magician like Luka or Nikola. Or maybe have some crazy niche that can be useful to a team. I don't think Vezenkov has anything special about his game.
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                    • #11
                      baldwin in any EL selection is simply ridicuolous, but til the dai PIR consider points instead of points/attempt ratio, those individualist clowns, harmful for any team, will be usually in

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by maccabeo View Post
                        baldwin in any EL selection is simply ridicuolous, but til the dai PIR consider points instead of points/attempt ratio, those individualist clowns, harmful for any team, will be usually in
                        So over 50% from 2 for a guard isn't a good enough ratio?! Does every player have to shoot over 40% from three to make an all-Euroleague team in your book?

                        I know it is not required to have an opinion around here, but curious to know did you ever play this game at any sort of competitive level.

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                        • #13
                          I dont think nba europeans similiar style players like M.Kleber,D.Bertans,J,Hernangomez,V.Cancar

                          is better than this peak Vezenkov version,but nba is all about to what kinda situation player gets.



                          From those 5 players Vezenkov wouldnt be my last pick to play for my club if money is same. Vezenkov in good situation can be 15-18min role player


                          This season 120 international players was in nba.I can see like 30-40 players in that list that is worse basketball players than Vezenkov.,but somehow they are in nba.


                          Nba head coach do not fly to europe just for no reason.Thats scouts jobs.If head coach goes to see him live,interest is real

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ball Fiend View Post

                            So over 50% from 2 for a guard isn't a good enough ratio?! Does every player have to shoot over 40% from three to make an all-Euroleague team in your book?

                            I know it is not required to have an opinion around here, but curious to know did you ever play this game at any sort of competitive level.
                            50% 2fg is good. the question is not only he has less than around 38% 3fg (a must for any g and fwrd in modern bball). the question is his individiualism killing any teams , his forced decisions, his his turnovers. if u shoot 32% from the arch u must shoot 60% 2fg, taking rational choicec, play as a part of a team, to be part of all EL second team.
                            about my bball past. i wasnt a star
                            im always impressed how u all misconsider the arch from this forum. modern bball is arch oriented not less than the paint. i still report this stat: when a team attempts more than 27 time from the arch having around 40%, is a certification for a win. when a team score over 60% from the paint, is not that sure. also, give me all g and fwrd having at least 38% from the ,coached by perimentral coach like trinca, laso ,bartzokas, ataman, dusko, and i'll win el or at least will get f4 for sure.
                            we are writing if club choose poythress ....,come on!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
                              I dont think nba europeans similiar style players like M.Kleber,D.Bertans,J,Hernangomez,V.Cancar

                              is better than this peak Vezenkov version,but nba is all about to what kinda situation player gets.



                              From those 5 players Vezenkov wouldnt be my last pick to play for my club if money is same. Vezenkov in good situation can be 15-18min role player


                              This season 120 international players was in nba.I can see like 30-40 players in that list that is worse basketball players than Vezenkov.,but somehow they are in nba.


                              Nba head coach do not fly to europe just for no reason.Thats scouts jobs.If head coach goes to see him live,interest is real
                              Cancar is not playing in Denver, Juancho has changed 4 clubs in 2 years and is bench warmer also. Bertans was good in the start of his career and is benched in last few years, but he was fantastic shooter, few classes better than Vezenkov, one of the best in Nba. Kleber is defensive specialist.

                              Yes, many are in Nba, but if you aren't young and being drafted early, you're not getting much opportunity. Teams have 15 players under normal contracts and 2 on 2 way contracts. That's a lot of players to fill all those places, but almost 1/3 of players in Nba are not getting real opportunities.

                              And to give someone 15-18 millions, you have to have cap space. Kings haven't. They have tax payer exemption, which I believe will be 12 mio next year, but it's very questionable if they want to use all that money for some long shot.
                              Last edited by Killer Bob; 05-18-2023, 08:15 AM.
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