EL2022/23 - The Final Four (Kaunas)

[Killer Bob]

Generally he's not a flashy player but there's not many who have consistently made their teams better like he has. Look at the coaches he's worked with and the trophies he has won. No-one can doubt his leadership after this season.

Do you know which guards played in Euroleague in last 20 years? He's for sure not top 10 and probably not even top 20.

[Serbian_Layup]

Oly started to play as much as possible inside in second half. Smart coach would take time out after 1 minute and change his D. We all know that Obradovic is not smart.

Monaco scored like 15 points in second half. They would have lost this no matter what. Fall killed any inside game they could possibly have and thier ISO scorers got suffocated. Bad defense only added to this.

[Toruko]

Do you know which guards played in Euroleague in last 20 years? He's for sure not top 10 and probably not even top 20.

Depends on how you count. If you count guys like Doncic who only played 2-3 seasons with average impact you might be right but the right way would be counting guys who played almost their entire career in the EL. It only counts what you deliver.

[Jazz]

Do you know which guards played in Euroleague in last 20 years? He's for sure not top 10 and probably not even top 20.

I've been defending Teodosic from his detractors on Interbasket long enough for you to know the answer to this.

[ronmercer80]

Right. Numerous backdoor cuts by Papanikolaou and Vezenkov, too easy like they haven't done scouting.

Exactly. Oly finished with 14/17 2pts in the second half, assists 14-2 (!). This was the key I believe and it means only one thing, Monaco collapsed physically, not only mentally.

It is true that the referees changed brutally their way of judgement in the second half not punishing some very dubious contacts, but Monaco should have adjusted to it like Oly.

[Killer Bob]

I've been defending Teodosic from his detractors on Interbasket long enough for you to know the answer to this.

It's not only Teo, he's not near the top even, if you look only Greeks.

[Toruko]

Its clear that you cant win anything with Mike James. He brings you to a certain point and drags you down after that point.

[Killer Bob]

Depends on how you count. If you count guys like Doncic who only played 2-3 seasons with average impact you might be right but the right way would be counting guys who played almost their entire career in the EL. It only counts what you deliver.

Man, I would put even Calathes in front of him. And then you have Papaloukas, Spanoulis, Diamantidis. Like I said, he's not even near the top among the Greeks. I would put him somewhere near Zizis.

[Toruko]

Man, I would put even Calathes in front of him. And then you have Papaloukas, Spanoulis, Diamantidis. Like I said, he's not even near the top among the Greeks. I would put him somewhere near Zizis.

Not sure about Calathes. He offers much but if you compare their successes its Sloukas. Papaloukas, Spanoulis and Diamantidis are clearly better. There are dimensions between them but yeah you will find easily 10 guys better than him.

[ronmercer80]

About sloukas ok, he is great, but what I saw today especially in the third quarter was a fantastic Walkup performance. He caused so much pain to Monaco, offensively and defensively.

[Killer Bob]

Not sure about Calathes. He offers much but if you compare their successes its Sloukas. Papaloukas, Spanoulis and Diamantidis are clearly better. There are dimensions between them but yeah you will find easily 10 guys better than him.

He was nobody in all seasons, when his team has won. Not sure how much of team success was on him. Solid player, who's becoming a star with total decline of Euroleague.

[Toruko]

He was nobody in all seasons, when his team has won. Not sure how much of team success was on him. Solid player, who's becoming a star with total decline of Euroleague.

Well, he is old but he can play the last 5 minutes of the game and finish the game. Thats something Calathes was never able to.

[Jazz]

Not sure about Calathes. He offers much but if you compare their successes its Sloukas. Papaloukas, Spanoulis and Diamantidis are clearly better. There are dimensions between them but yeah you will find easily 10 guys better than him.

If we're going to diminish Calathes based on his shooting then we can hardly put Papaloukas on a pedestal. Papaloukas declined super quickly after 30.
Spanoulis wasn't even Oly's best player in either the 2012 or 2013 F4's. He found a great situation in Oly where he got all the credit when they won and none of the blame when they didn't.

[ronmercer80]

Its clear that you cant win anything with Mike James. He brings you to a certain point and drags you down after that point.

I wouldn't blame James for today because Okobo was equally bad in the second half together with the rest of the team. About the whole season it is a different question, he earns 2,6 million/season, these money could be spent much more profitably.

[janketa]

Without Higgins there is not enough power in Barca. Maybe they will manage to beat Real but there is big problem in role distribution and Oly could use that as a gift.

Saras made from Kuric mediocre player, this is not player we know, used to be the best shooter.