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  • Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post

    If you look at yesterday's Real roster, it's evident that quality of Euroleague has gone down. Yes, it's the same 3 players for Real, but they were in their prime 10 years ago, now they have 110 years together and are still key players.

    About Sloukas, he has really won 3 titles, but he has never won it as the leader of a team. He averaged 5.5 points in those 3 wins. He made only 3 FGs in this F4.

    About Vezenkov, cool player, everyone would be extremely happy to have him. He deserved MVP. Problem is elsewhere. Can you imagine kids, not big Oly fans, buying his shirt? No way. He's unmarkable, like the whole Euroleague. You look at Vezenkov and see a role player, extremely important one, but still a role player. He can't be the face of the league.
    Markkanen is already a NBA superstar.

    Is Vezenkov that inferior to him? I think he has the qualities not to produce yet Markkanen's numbers but at least to become a solid NBA presence.

    But he has to go there now, he can't expect any more.

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    • Originally posted by ronmercer80 View Post

      Markkanen is already a NBA superstar.

      Is Vezenkov that inferior to him? I think he has the qualities not to produce yet Markkanen's numbers but at least to become a solid NBA presence.

      But he has to go there now, he can't expect any more.
      This must be bait
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      • Originally posted by ronmercer80 View Post

        Markkanen is already a NBA superstar.

        Is Vezenkov that inferior to him? I think he has the qualities not to produce yet Markkanen's numbers but at least to become a solid NBA presence.

        But he has to go there now, he can't expect any more.
        Yes he's. He's much bigger and more athletic. And there's 1 very big difference, he has ball handling skills, which Vezenkov unfortunately hasn't. They're totally different type of players.
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        • Vezenkov can be easily a stable double-digit NBA scorer and add a respectable number of rebounds. Working and understanding the game would further improve his numbers. It's up to him. I would go there now, immediately, or otherwise say no to the American dream forever.

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          • Originally posted by ronmercer80 View Post
            Vezenkov can be easily a stable double-digit NBA scorer and add a respectable number of rebounds. Working and understanding the game would further improve his numbers. It's up to him. I would go there now, immediately, or otherwise say no to the American dream forever.
            Look, it's not that simple in Nba. First you have Nba stars, then you have already proven rotational players, then you have young prospects and at the end you have not anymore young players from Europe. And Kings will be with big expectations next year, it's a different situation than playing for tanking team.

            He probably would be able to produce 10+ points, if he gets 25+ minutes. Problem is, that's very unlikely. The most likely scenario is that he will finish deep on the bench, like Cancar or both Hernangomez brothers.
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            • Seems like Llull go for a walk

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              • Originally posted by papaluk4mvp View Post

                Seems like Llull go for a walk
                Meh, that's very similar to Sloukas travel vs Fener. No one would ever call that and that's fine imo.
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                • Originally posted by papaluk4mvp View Post

                  Seems like Llull go for a walk
                  Lol. I'm sure you have complained about Sloukas' buzzer beater too.
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                  • Originally posted by paspalj View Post

                    Meh, that's very similar to Sloukas travel vs Fener. No one would ever call that and that's fine imo.
                    I tend to agree,however comparing to Sloukas here Llull is steady and he moves both feet.However it is very difficult to call it

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                    • That Vezenkov is better player than 20% of curent nba players im sure.But nba its all about situation players gets in.

                      One thing when 19 old european kid is drafted by nba and he can spent 2-3 years on bench and working with skill coaches and finally gets real minutes.

                      Tottay diffrent when eurleague star goes to nba at his peak years and dont have time 2-3 years of waiting and need to build his name from basically zero in nba people eyes

                      nba caoches basically have no clue who is best euroleague players unless that player is their draft pick.Enough to hear how biggest nba podcasters like Windhorst or Lowe talks about euroleague,for them is like some china league

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                      • Situation is good for Vezenkov. Brown visited to see him which shows serious intentions. Kings offense and overall structure of the club (offense prevails defense) fits well too. Only Jokic would be better fit for Vezenkov other than Sabonis. So EL MVP has a very good shot to become Kings role player.
                        LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                        Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                        Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                        Buzelis, Lelevicius
                        Murauskas, Sirvydis
                        Tubelis, Krivas

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                        • Originally posted by Shawshank View Post
                          That Vezenkov is better player than 20% of curent nba players im sure.But nba its all about situation players gets in.

                          One thing when 19 old european kid is drafted by nba and he can spent 2-3 years on bench and working with skill coaches and finally gets real minutes.

                          Tottay diffrent when eurleague star goes to nba at his peak years and dont have time 2-3 years of waiting and need to build his name from basically zero in nba people eyes

                          nba caoches basically have no clue who is best euroleague players unless that player is their draft pick.Enough to hear how biggest nba podcasters like Windhorst or Lowe talks about euroleague,for them is like some china league
                          Of course the coach and the rest of the team must believe in the European player especially if he is already 26 years old. But if not I wonder why they should sign him. Better to renounce forever.

                          Vezenkov has plenty of scoring alternatives and he seems to fit perfectly to the NBA iso systems. His defensive abilities would be perhaps the biggest issue.
                          Last edited by ronmercer80; 05-22-2023, 04:57 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Killer Bob View Post

                            I remember very well 2017, because I was watching it in Istanbul. Do you know that Llull has scored 28 points in semis, so he was hardly the 1 to blame. On the other hand Sloukas with 9 points was hardly instrumental for the win.

                            Real has won 3 titles in last 8 seasons, it looks pretty impressive to me.
                            My bad, I meant the 2016 playoffs. Forgive my confusion, Sloukas and Fener gave Real more than a few problems in those years.

                            3 in 8 is very good but it's quite selective to count only from 2015, especially when there were several F4 disappointments in the preceding years and Llull has been with real since 2007...
                            2012-14 there was a serious argument for Real being the best team in those seasons and they were certainly the most entertaining.

                            In all seriousness, Real's three veterans have played so many F4 games at this point that they weren't going to be phased by the occasion at all.
                            Plus, before Llull hit the winning shot I kept thinking of what someone on here posted (sorry can't remember who it was right now) about fate being on Real's side.

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                            • Originally posted by Jazz View Post

                              My bad, I meant the 2016 playoffs. Forgive my confusion, Sloukas and Fener gave Real more than a few problems in those years.

                              3 in 8 is very good but it's quite selective to count only from 2015, especially when there were several F4 disappointments in the preceding years and Llull has been with real since 2007...
                              2012-14 there was a serious argument for Real being the best team in those seasons and they were certainly the most entertaining.

                              In all seriousness, Real's three veterans have played so many F4 games at this point that they weren't going to be phased by the occasion at all.
                              Plus, before Llull hit the winning shot I kept thinking of what someone on here posted (sorry can't remember who it was right now) about fate being on Real's side.
                              F4 is special format, it's very difficult to win it, even when you have far the best team. You can look at last 10 years or from the beginning, result is the same, Real the best team. And like things are standing no one will come close soon, if ever.

                              3 titles for Llull's Real is great achievement, Barca in the whole history has 2.

                              It's not the fate, Real survived Partizan and players have suddenly begun to believe. They didn't panic ever, not in game 5 being 18 points down, not against Barca in first half, when Barca couldn't mss and not against Oly. They were double digits down in every game and always came back. Their opponents on the other side weren't nowhere near that conviction. All 3 teams have broken under pressure in the end. People are saying Real didn't deserve it, I see things totally different. They deserved the most, because of the difficult path they took.
                              Last edited by Killer Bob; 05-22-2023, 09:12 PM.
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