EL2022/23 - The Final Four (Kaunas)

[Killer Bob]

Common guys that is the product we have,nagging about it will not help,hopefully some more players like satoransky campazzo will return in Europe and the level will rise.Unfortunately we cannot compete with Nba,with markets like England,Germany even France out of the picture.
Playoffs had a lot of interest and some great games.

On the other side, there’s a lack of production of new domestic players: all over Europe, and this is a big problem”, he stated before pointing out the reasons why this may be happening. “The kids are more interested in being on the laptop the whole day, instead of going out and playing basketball, and only the huge talents are focused on basketball, but then they go to the NBA. European basketball is struggling not having domestic players at the highest level”, Georgios Bartzokas added.

[ronmercer80]

On the other side, there’s a lack of production of new domestic players: all over Europe, and this is a big problem”, he stated before pointing out the reasons why this may be happening. “The kids are more interested in being on the laptop the whole day, instead of going out and playing basketball, and only the huge talents are focused on basketball, but then they go to the NBA. European basketball is struggling not having domestic players at the highest level”, Georgios Bartzokas added.

The modern style of life (and the fact that the number of young people has been significantly reduced due to decreased birthrate, italian youngsters for example decrease 2 millions/decade) have negative consequences regarding the number of talents but this affects all the most popular sports especially in Europe, including soccer.

[Killer Bob]

The modern style of life (and the fact that the number of young people has been significantly reduced due to decreased birthrate, italian youngsters for example decrease 2 millions/decade) have negative consequences regarding the number of talents but this affects all the most popular sports especially in Europe, including soccer.

Point is different, coach, who plays final tomorrow, had the need to express concern about European basketball struggling. It looks to me that problem is really big.

And no, it's not the same problem in football, Europe has with Mbappe and Haaland fantastic young players. Problem is only in basketball because we're developing young players for Nba. For example, Slovenian Jan Vide scored 27 points for Real against Barca in ANGT tournament yesterday. There are only 2 options, he will be good enough for Nba with 20 years or he won't ever be anything special. No chance that he plays in Europe, if his development goes like many expect. That's why you have players like Madar getting rising star award. This award is a joke nowadays, really talented 22 years old players should be in contention for MVP.

[tonia]

I don't think that there is lack of production of European talents. Surely, most of them play to the NBA. European basketball, since new regulations, has become faster, basketball players are more athletic than before, so good players can more easily adjust to the NBA style of game and as a result, a lot of them manage to play to the NBA. Moreover, European players are more welcome to play to NBA, compared to the past when NBA didn't trust European talents.
I don't believe that whoever isn't good enough for NBA has no luck in Europe as well. Let's take the example of Campazzo.

[Killer Bob]

I don't think that there is lack of production of European talents. Surely, most of them play to the NBA. European basketball, since new regulations, has become faster, basketball players are more athletic than before, so good players can more easily adjust to the NBA style of game and as a result, a lot of them manage to play to the NBA. Moreover, European players are more welcome to play to NBA, compared to the past when NBA didn't trust European talents.
I don't believe that whoever isn't good enough for NBA has no luck in Europe as well. Let's take the example of Campazzo.

Campazzo is perfect example of this new Euroleague. Too small for Nba, can't shoot and he can be easily one of the top players in Euroleague. Standards are pretty low nowadays.

[tonia]

Campazzo is perfect example of this new Euroleague. Too small for Nba, can't shoot and he can be easily one of the top players in Euroleague. Standards are pretty low nowadays.

Spanoulis didn't manage to have a career to the NBA either, when he attempted it. He was top player in Euroleague because the standards are low?

[Killer Bob]

Spanoulis didn't manage to have a career to the NBA either, when he attempted it. He was top player in Euroleague because the standards are low?

You should look at rosters in his times and now.

It's true that 10 years later Real has still their 3 stars in the final, problem is that they have 110 years now.

[Nemanja95]

Theoretically, most equalized teams in final since 2016 Cska- Fenerbahce, On IBN i 've changed twice prediction of this game. Somehow, whole story of Real Madrid it is like they look like more like champion team.

Olympiacos has looking better this season, but it's more flat line, such teams in most cases don't win competition.

Tactically, Real has anti-dote for Olympiacos, closing paint to Vezenkov and Fall, zone to use not so good shooting of Olympiacos. On the other hand, it much depends how Real will look like team. From this point of the view, they were not good until now, some players have taking one or two shoots more then it should be. Connection between players is not so good. So, this can be reason of winning or losing final, for Olympiacos it will decide how they can adapt to play something else when Real's defence has response on their qualities.

[Levenspiel]

I hope Oly wins. Not that I like anything red, but Real does not deserve the title.

yeah, similarly, I cannot shake my bitterness at Real for the dirty move in 2nd game vs Partizan. What's worse, if they win, is that some future self-help guru or a commercially-biased EL historian will take Llull's move as a great example of leadership or winning mentality, or whatever, when it all looked like it was over. Hope they go home empty-handed.

PS. Regardless of that, I think Oly is the better team, has a better coach, and should win this one.

[Toruko]

Of course Real will win. Remember the -30 defeat in Oaka couple years ago. This is a story coming back from a 0:2 defeat and lets be honest. Oly is a good team but the team consists of a bunch of role player + Sloukas and Vezenkov. I dont have the slightest doubt about the outcome.

[Levenspiel]

BTW, listening to basketnews guys and reading here, I sense a blind homerism towards Saras, blaming the players. Sure, he's a legend, but he's been an utter failure at Barca, no two ways about it. it's not the players. it's the unimaginative way their talents were crippled by the strict style of play.

[zubitos]

Of course Real will win. Remember the -30 defeat in Oaka couple years ago. This is a story coming back from a 0:2 defeat and lets be honest. Oly is a good team but the team consists of a bunch of role player + Sloukas and Vezenkov. I dont have the slightest doubt about the outcome.

My friend Toruko, I always take on mind your opinion.......but with this one you killing me........Let's hope you are wrong.

I think Olympiacos won't lose today.

[Toruko]

My friend Toruko, I always take on mind your opinion.......but with this one you killing me........Let's hope you are wrong.

I think Olympiacos won't lose today.

I wish you luck, I really do but this is my honest opinion. I would lie if I denied it.

[zubitos]

I wish you luck, I really do but this is my honest opinion. I would lie if I denied it.

Ok you have the right to be wrong one time.

Take a look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSF2epc49HE

[papaluk4mvp]

My friend Toruko, I always take on mind your opinion.......but with this one you killing me........Let's hope you are wrong.

I think Olympiacos won't lose today.

And Real has Tavares and….who else?
couple of old guys,Hezonia with the bright mind or Musa.
Common see the whole picture,Oly is in every aspect the better team this year,that of course doesn’t guarantee he will win today