EL2022/23 - The Playoffs

[Serbian_Layup]

You are just fanatic without any reason, there is no point to discuss anything with you. For you Partizan is the best team in Europe by far, nothing can come close, you are the chosen people for you are supporting such team. Back to reality.... I mean, yes, of course, Partizan can beat Real twice without Tavares on court, Partizan was favorite against Real because their starting five is much better than Chacho - Causeur/Musa - Hezonja - Deck - Poirier/Randolph, that's the fact. And Partizan players can play all night long without supstitution, that's how Obradovic teams play, Punter almost 40 minutes, same for LeDay or Lessort. Just because Real has better bench doesn't mean they can use that in their advantage, it means nothing. Like GSW starting five play with national team of Estonia against national team of France. They will destroy them, I mean Curry, Thompson, Poole and Green against five french players.

You are very aggressive and there is no point to have conversation to you, you have victim mindset, you are either winning against all odds or you didn't have chance at all because everybody hates you and that's why you spam post after post, defending obvious lies. I write this for other members for this board not for you, you are blind and your eyes cannot be open:

Game in regular season: Partizan won pretty easy, but that didn't mean nothing. Zalgiris also won against Real in Kaunas, they won against Fenerbahce with great margin, so what? Zalgiris can eliminate Real or Fenerbahce? I don't think so.

Game 1: Partizan got very lucky, their opponent had to play without their best player by far. In the end, Partizan won with Punter's three point shot in last seconds.

Game 2: Partizan easy won against Real, Tavares didn't played.

Game 3: Tavares destroyed Partizan in paint, Real won.

Game 4: Real won that too.

Game 5: Real won without Deck, Poirier and Yabusele, Partizan lost even with their 18 point lead.

I mean, stop with this nonsense. Enough with this. Maybe you living in a world in which Partizan is the most purest, most bravest, the very best thing in basketball, in a world where they have to conquer euroleague, they have the best coach, the best fans and there is nothing like them. That's fine, every fan think that their team are the best. But, you sound very aggressive, you can't accept different opinion, nothing. I mean, if Real won only because of the brawl, than there is no one to beat Partizan, and that means that someone stole the title that belongs to them. Maybe it is true, but I don't think so, and I explained why I think that way.

Wow man, take it easy. Sorry if I offended you somehow. I would just like to kindly (God forbid in aggressive manner) point out to read once more what you wrote and think about whose language is actually offensive and aggressive. You might also want to cut down on this pseudo analytical stuff, you just don't know me bro.

As for Partizan - Real, everything is already said from all angles and I have zero motivation for further explanations.

[Shawshank]

Tavares played only 20minutes in first 2 games from 80 possible minutes and Partizan got 2-0 lead.

With Tavares playing his normal 60minutes in first 2 games nobody would beat Real in Madrid arena 2-0 nobody in europe.


Tavares played 30min in Game 3,Game 4,Game 5 and Real won all 3games.


Yesterday Tavares once again shown what he means for Madrid on both end of the floor. By far Madrids best player

[markkanen]

Partizan before that brawl normally beat Real twice in Madrid with and without Tavares, which never happened to Real in the playoffs before, as far as I remember. Was that also fantasy? Were you expecting Partizan to beat Real both games in Madrid before the series started or would you call me a fantasy dreamer if I told you so? It seems the line between fantasy and reality is much thinner than you would think.

You are just fanatic without any reason, there is no point to discuss anything with you. For you Partizan is the best team in Europe by far, nothing can come close, you are the chosen people for you are supporting such team. Back to reality.... I mean, yes, of course, Partizan can beat Real twice without Tavares on court, Partizan was favorite against Real because their starting five is much better than Chacho - Causeur/Musa - Hezonja - Deck - Poirier/Randolph, that's the fact. And Partizan players can play all night long without supstitution, that's how Obradovic teams play, Punter almost 40 minutes, same for LeDay or Lessort. Just because Real has better bench doesn't mean they can use that in their advantage, it means nothing. Like GSW starting five play with national team of Estonia against national team of France. They will destroy them, I mean Curry, Thompson, Poole and Green against five french players.

You are very aggressive and there is no point to have conversation to you, you have victim mindset, you are either winning against all odds or you didn't have chance at all because everybody hates you and that's why you spam post after post, defending obvious lies. I write this for other members for this board not for you, you are blind and your eyes cannot be open:

Game in regular season: Partizan won pretty easy, but that didn't mean nothing. Zalgiris also won against Real in Kaunas, they won against Fenerbahce with great margin, so what? Zalgiris can eliminate Real or Fenerbahce? I don't think so.

Game 1: Partizan got very lucky, their opponent had to play without their best player by far. In the end, Partizan won with Punter's three point shot in last seconds.

Game 2: Partizan easy won against Real, Tavares didn't played.

Game 3: Tavares destroyed Partizan in paint, Real won.

Game 4: Real won that too.

Game 5: Real won without Deck, Poirier and Yabusele, Partizan lost even with their 18 point lead.

I mean, stop with this nonsense. Enough with this. Maybe you living in a world in which Partizan is the most purest, most bravest, the very best thing in basketball, in a world where they have to conquer euroleague, they have the best coach, the best fans and there is nothing like them. That's fine, every fan think that their team are the best. But, you sound very aggressive, you can't accept different opinion, nothing. I mean, if Real won only because of the brawl, than there is no one to beat Partizan, and that means that someone stole the title that belongs to them. Maybe it is true, but I don't think so, and I explained why I think that way.

[Killer Bob]

I was mentioning that game becasue you were so persistant at diminshing Paritzan's valuable wins in Madrid due to Tavares playing limited minutes, so I pointed to that game in RS in which Partizan kicked Real's ass with Tavares as a clear indication that Partizan can play and maybe win the series vs Real...which was proved in Madrid. What happened after incident is another plot twist, which you also minimize as if Real's comeback would have been certain anyway. I repetead myself 100 times in different phrasing. So I'm done now.

They for sure showed that they can play.

[Serbian_Layup]

Did I say that you aren't better team than Manresa, Murcia...? And do you believe that Real players couldn't sleep after that defeat in RS? Nobody cares about that game anymore, even Partizan players don't. RS is very long, I would say too long and only playoffs matters. And even winning playoffs doesn't matter much for clubs like Real or Barca. Only winning the title matters.

I was mentioning that game becasue you were so persistant at diminshing Paritzan's valuable wins in Madrid due to Tavares playing limited minutes, so I pointed to that game in RS in which Partizan kicked Real's ass with Tavares as a clear indication that Partizan can play and maybe win the series vs Real...which was proved in Madrid. What happened after incident is another plot twist, which you also minimize as if Real's comeback would have been certain anyway. I repetead myself 100 times in different phrasing. So I'm done now.

[Killer Bob]

I'm sure you understand you can't just drop 100+ points on Real with whatever energy you play. If it is the case, then such teams as Bilbao, Manresa, Murcia or whatever would do the same. But they can't. And I'm pretty sure Real played with much greater energy vs Partizan than against those teams. My point was made in the last post very clearly.

Partizan losing first game to SC has nothing to do with their overall quality but much rather with the fact that Real is still on their minds. Very known syndrome in sports.

Did I say that you aren't better team than Manresa, Murcia...? And do you believe that Real players couldn't sleep after that defeat in RS? Nobody cares about that game anymore, even Partizan players don't. RS is very long, I would say too long and only playoffs matters. And even winning playoffs doesn't matter much for clubs like Real or Barca. Only winning the title matters.

[Killer Bob]

I guess that in case Olympiakos doesn't win the trophy, it has to be that they wasted their "energy" to finish 1st in RS and there will be no energy left for them for F4 games.
So, Real is one of the best clubs and Olympiakos not? I have to say that I'm ok with this





So, in your opinion Real lost at round 32 of RS against Partizan and at (final) round 34 of RS against Maccabi (after overtime) because they didn't care about their position at all... They focused on keeping their strength for ..F4 and were indifferent about last games of RS, because they had secured home advantage for play-offs? Or they didn't care about home advantage either, cause they were so sure that they would qualify to F4 and they didn't mind losing both games in Madrid??

Look, you can't compare Acb and Greek league. Oly is basicaly playing only 1 competive league, Real 2. Real can have 4 very difficult games in a week. Oly is cruising in Greece.

They didn't lost by purpose, but they for sure wasn't playing those games as must win.

We can talk about it 1 year, but that won't change the fact that Real has won that series and in sports winning means that you're better.

[tonia]

I'm sure that you understand how much more that RS game meant to Partizan than to Real. Basketball is a lot about energy you come in the game and you can't play 80 games in the season with the same energy.

That game was much more important for Partizan than Real. Last games in RS are more or less formality for the best clubs.

I guess that in case Olympiakos doesn't win the trophy, it has to be that they wasted their "energy" to finish 1st in RS and there will be no energy left for them for F4 games.
So, Real is one of the best clubs and Olympiakos not? I have to say that I'm ok with this

You believe that RS game have something with playoffs, but I can't point out that Partizan has lost 4 games in a row, 3 of them at home court?

They needed 2 more wins to be first. And even if they were first not much would have change. I would say that Fener is better than Partizan and you need to win both games in F4.

So, in your opinion Real lost at round 32 of RS against Partizan and at (final) round 34 of RS against Maccabi (after overtime) because they didn't care about their position at all... They focused on keeping their strength for ..F4 and were indifferent about last games of RS, because they had secured home advantage for play-offs? Or they didn't care about home advantage either, cause they were so sure that they would qualify to F4 and they didn't mind losing both games in Madrid??

[Serbian_Layup]

I'm sure that you understand how much more that RS game meant to Partizan than to Real. Basketball is a lot about energy you come in the game and you can't play 80 games in the season with the same energy.

Yes Partizan was good, but Real was better in the end and losing important game against Studentski Centar shows me that Partizan is some kind of a slump. They're big favourites to win tonight, but nobody would expected that they can even come in situation to be eliminated.

I'm sure you understand you can't just drop 100+ points on Real with whatever energy you play. If it is the case, then such teams as Bilbao, Manresa, Murcia or whatever would do the same. But they can't. And I'm pretty sure Real played with much greater energy vs Partizan than against those teams. My point was made in the last post very clearly.

Partizan losing first game to SC has nothing to do with their overall quality but much rather with the fact that Real is still on their minds. Very known syndrome in sports.

[Killer Bob]

You are changing thesis. That RS game in Belgrade was indication that Partizan was good and able to compete against Real (with Tavares), and then proceeded to prove it by beating them twice in Madrid in playoffs with or without Tavares. That was my point. Or you think Real is allowing teams to drop 100+ points on them because they feel some games are not important? Or maybe Partizan being actually good has something to do with that?

I'm sure that you understand how much more that RS game meant to Partizan than to Real. Basketball is a lot about energy you come in the game and you can't play 80 games in the season with the same energy.

Yes Partizan was good, but Real was better in the end and losing important game against Studentski Centar shows me that Partizan is some kind of a slump. They're big favourites to win tonight, but nobody would expected that they can even come in situation to be eliminated.

[Serbian_Layup]

You believe that RS game have something with playoffs, but I can't point out that Partizan has lost 4 games in a row, 3 of them at home court?

You are changing thesis. That RS game in Belgrade was indication that Partizan was good and able to compete against Real (with Tavares), and then proceeded to prove it by beating them twice in Madrid in playoffs with or without Tavares. That was my point. Or you think Real is allowing teams to drop 100+ points on them because they feel some games are not important? Or maybe Partizan being actually good has something to do with that?

So you can stop diminishing Partizan's wins against Real in Madrid just because Tavares didn't play both games. Because I can absolutely diminish Real's win in this series because of what happened in G2 as it was clear Partizan was on the way to sweep Real.

[Killer Bob]

Yet again, you are mixing apples and oranges. Different context.

You believe that RS game have something with playoffs, but I can't point out that Partizan has lost 4 games in a row, 3 of them at home court?

[Serbian_Layup]

Not exactly the truth, you had 2 dirty players too much.

And funny enough, you don't have enough players even to beat power house named Studentski centar at home.

Yet again, you are mixing apples and oranges. Different context.

[Killer Bob]

I agree. Partizan would have to find more dirty players to be able to win against Real in the right time

Not exactly the truth, you had 2 dirty players too much.

And funny enough, you don't have enough players even to beat power house named Studentski centar at home.

[Serbian_Layup]

Ok. To finish this nonsense, I will congrats you for winning 3x in a row against Real. Unfortunately it weren't the right 3 games.

I agree. Partizan would have to find more dirty players to be able to win against Real in the right time