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  • Originally posted by saras View Post
    grigonis is by far the worst of all. even javtokas was better because he wasnt there as the best paid player in the team, he was just the 3rd option as center after batiste and tomasevic. all of the lithuanian players have offered to the team, apart from this garbage cyclist, who made the team pay so much and he didnt do shit. so he either brings money back, or hapefully the team causes problems with his career same way he caused problems to the team with his non stop fake injuries and 0 contribution. he never even went past a player even in the greek league...

    saras,siskauskas,maciulis,gudaitis,lekavicius all of them offered more compared to trashonis, taking in concern the money spent and the role they had in the team.
    Smth happened to my memory cause i strangely forgot many Lith players in PAO. Especially Siskauskas who was nearly the best sf playing in Europe at that time. But i still don't really agree. The thing is that all others played in a great or still good PAO. Whereas Grigonis played in a trash PAO with a number of problems and he was only a small one. Since when players are blamed for being injured? And i don't believe that he was most-plaid in the team. If he got more than Bacon then blame your management, but not him.

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    • Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post

      Smth happened to my memory cause i strangely forgot many Lith players in PAO. Especially Siskauskas who was nearly the best sf playing in Europe at that time. But i still don't really agree. The thing is that all others played in a great or still good PAO. Whereas Grigonis played in a trash PAO with a number of problems and he was only a small one. Since when players are blamed for being injured? And i don't believe that he was most-plaid in the team. If he got more than Bacon then blame your management, but not him.
      There are some Lithuanian players: Javtokas, Lekavicius, Saras, Maciulis, Siska.

      The issue with Grigonis is that he is a memory of the most tragic year that we had and that is hard to shake off. Combine that with his low profile character, you have the image of a player that seemed like he didn't care. I'm not saying I agree, I'm trying to convey how some Pao fans feel. Saras (the user) is overreacting as usual. Grigonis can be a very useful payer in the correct system. Pao was in shambles last year and pulled down all the players.
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      • I understand every hater because I am one of those kind

        But regarding Grigonis I would like to see him in Fener and my dream is to give them Willbekin instead of him gratis

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        • Originally posted by janketa View Post
          I understand every hater because I am one of those kind

          But regarding Grigonis I would like to see him in Fener and my dream is to give them Willbekin instead of him gratis
          I thought Fener doesn't give players to Ataman ​​​​​​

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          • Efes-Montero...

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            • Originally posted by tonia View Post

              I thought Fener doesn't give players to Ataman ​​​​​​
              I know that by it's my dream that someone stupid enough take Willbekin one sunny day

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              • Originally posted by janketa View Post

                I know that by it's my dream that someone stupid enough take Willbekin one sunny day
                You have given Derrick Williams to Maccabi. It's not every day a sunny day!

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                • Originally posted by tonia View Post

                  You have given Derrick Williams to Maccabi. It's not every day a sunny day!
                  But Maccabi returned us triple with 1M buyout

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                  • Originally posted by janketa View Post

                    But Maccabi returned us triple with 1M buyout
                    So, you shouldn't give Willbekin gratis. Someone will also pay to get him

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                    • Originally posted by tonia View Post

                      So, you shouldn't give Willbekin gratis. Someone will also pay to get him
                      I would give him gratis , but Grigonis wouldn't be a waste if you could give him

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                      • Originally posted by janketa View Post

                        I would give him gratis , but Grigonis wouldn't be a waste if you could give him
                        If Ataman decides to keep Grigonis and use him in a proper way, he could be really helpful.

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                        • Originally posted by Dreamcatcher View Post

                          Smth happened to my memory cause i strangely forgot many Lith players in PAO. Especially Siskauskas who was nearly the best sf playing in Europe at that time. But i still don't really agree. The thing is that all others played in a great or still good PAO. Whereas Grigonis played in a trash PAO with a number of problems and he was only a small one. Since when players are blamed for being injured? And i don't believe that he was most-plaid in the team. If he got more than Bacon then blame your management, but not him.
                          trashonis is garbage not bercause i say so, because he actually is. those who say he is great if used properly are the same who say that lucic is better than hezonja. but when you ask the reason the 34 yo old lucic played his entire career in teams like partizan,bayern and valencia and only once reached the playoffs they cant answer. which is quite obvious why they cant, cause there is not a single argument that can be used to prove lucic is better than hezonja. probably they are the same that will tell you that sikma is better than juancho, goss is better than mike james etc. typical greeks that have 0 knowledge of the game, they have never touched a basket ball, lovers of the "greek basketball school" and stuff like that. people like these, are the reason greek NT was,is and always be spain's bitch, serbia's bitch etc and will never provide players with talent.

                          idiots like paspalj will tell you that winning basketball is the one with players like grigonis, walkup, sikma, goss etc. we saw winning basketball in the f4 with walkup having 0 points in both games and trophy won by the elders and "out of system" players like llull



                          as for thrashonis, he has nothing to offer to the team, especially after signing mykhailiuk, not even for bench depth. he cant be the backup sg for 10-15 minutes behind vildoza cause he cant provide instant scoring. he cant drive, he cant score after isolation, he is always a target in defense and in general he cant be part of an ataman team, cause the only way he can be usefull to a team is if the whole team works for him after endless passing game to create free shots for him. guy will be the one with that role and remains to be seen if he can be up to this challenge in euroleague. but the good scenario is that he will be our jaycee carrol, something grigonis can never become

                          thats why thrashonis' only good euroleague season was in alba many years ago, a team that every year works on creating opportunities for shooters but also every year finish last. ataman teams play modern basketball, depending more on isolation and personal abilities rather than many systems and ball movement to create open shots for shooters like grigonis. plus grigonis cant even come out of screens to shot, something guy can do
                          Last edited by saras; 08-21-2023, 08:57 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by Worrax View Post
                            the article mentions him as a replacement for the injured Dogus Ozdemiroglu, but I think Efes needs a guard instead of Larkin, who may miss most of the season again either by being injured or by recuperating.
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                            • Originally posted by saras View Post


                              thats why thrashonis' only good euroleague season was in alba many years ago
                              He had a very good EL season in Zalgiris with elite shooting (50% 2pt, 45% pt, 94% ft) averaging 13 pts. He also was good in the last Eurobasket. He's been having issues with his back which doesn't make him a bad player. That's a pure hating what you do.

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                              • "Saras" a little bit exceeds, and the nick name is not necessary, but he's completely right that Grigonis doesn't offer anything that other players of PAO can't. They have better, more athletic guards now. Still Grigonis can be solid rotation player though.
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                                Murauskas, Sirvydis
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