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  • Having a new roster means nothing. Efes had a new roster and went straight to final from 17th. Monaco reached the playoffs and was robbed from loserbiakos last year etc. The difference is that they dont have crowd, we even have that. Only reaching the playoff is not something to mention for a giant club like ours. even f4 is not a success unless we win it. Ending up 2nd or reaching the playoffs is ok for minor clubs like loserbiakos or zalgiris
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    • Originally posted by saras View Post
      Having a new roster means nothing.
      This quote tells everything one needs to know about your understanding of basketball. In all honesty I hope you’re right and I’m wrong though.
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      • Originally posted by paspalj View Post

        This quote tells everything one needs to know about your understanding of basketball. In all honesty I hope you’re right and I’m wrong though.
        i dont have to prove my basketball knowledge to people like you dude. after all, the only thing you do is just critisize others, while you bring no arguments on the table. i mentioned teams, that proved that having a new roster means nothing. what did you do? nothing. as always.
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        • Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
          The only issue is that it may take a significant time to build a team out of this completely new roster. The F4 is too ambitious as a real target IMHO (even though I'm sure Ataman is already talking about the title). Reaching the PO stage is not that easy either.

          As you mentioned there are at least 8 other solid, established teams (with Oly), and I respectfully rank PAO somewhere between 7th to 9th here (same as Efes). We'll see, it will be a very interesting season.
          loserbiakos was a good team with (by far) his 2 best players gone. will be funny seeing them trying to reach even 75-80 in their games next season without a single scoring option and pretty bad shooters
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          • Originally posted by saras View Post
            Having a new roster means nothing. Efes had a new roster and went straight to final from 17th. Monaco reached the playoffs and was robbed from loserbiakos last year etc. The difference is that they dont have crowd, we even have that. Only reaching the playoff is not something to mention for a giant club like ours. even f4 is not a success unless we win it. Ending up 2nd or reaching the playoffs is ok for minor clubs like loserbiakos or zalgiris
            Ataman took that last-placed Efes team before the new season. He had two pillars in Simon & Dunston to build on.
            Obviously, PAO wants to get back to the titles, and the crowd is indeed a big factor, but this roster, IMHO, is not that convincing even for F4, especially right away.

            hey, I've been terribly wrong many times.

            PS. I really like Maccabi by the way, since last season, and they're a bigger favorite for getting back to their glory days
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            • Originally posted by saras View Post

              i dont have to prove my basketball knowledge to people like you dude. after all, the only thing you do is just critisize others, while you bring no arguments on the table. i mentioned teams, that proved that having a new roster means nothing. what did you do? nothing. as always.
              It’s funny how the *only* thing I do is criticize others while you’re here chilling using specific adjectives for specific teams and people *all the time*.

              You mentioned a *team* (not plural) that had success and then mentioned another team that *should* have made it if not olympiakos blah blah, some story you made up. So your “argument” is a statistical anomaly on all counts. But actually, this is also telling about the evidence that you need to consider something as a “proof”.
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              • Originally posted by tonia View Post
                What really happened with Itoudis in Turkey?? Is it true that he was reported to the police for insulting his neighbour and the turkish nation?
                Sorry, but I find it a little too funny to believe..
                Toruko will surely know the truth.

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                • Originally posted by Jazz View Post

                  Toruko will surely know the truth.
                  Toruko is Itoudis’ neighbor confirmed

                  Greek media reported that someone had parked a bit too close to his driveway and even though the guy apologized, Itoudis went completely off the rails on him. We need the Turkish reports!
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                  • Originally posted by paspalj View Post

                    Toruko is Itoudis’ neighbor confirmed

                    Greek media reported that someone had parked a bit too close to his driveway and even though the guy apologized, Itoudis went completely off the rails on him. We need the Turkish reports!
                    It is reported just as you said. According to the accuser Itoudis also insulted the Turkish culture and the way of living. It must have been a hard day for him.

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                    • Originally posted by saras View Post
                      Having a new roster means nothing. Efes had a new roster and went straight to final from 17th. Monaco reached the playoffs and was robbed from loserbiakos last year etc. The difference is that they dont have crowd, we even have that. Only reaching the playoff is not something to mention for a giant club like ours. even f4 is not a success unless we win it. Ending up 2nd or reaching the playoffs is ok for minor clubs like loserbiakos or zalgiris
                      I actually fully agree with you. A lot of people are talking about new roster and chemistry...it's not sci-fi. They will have month and half of good preseason and competition in Greece is bad so they will have time there also. After couple of 1st rounds everything should be automatic. It's not that Efes is the only good example of completely new roster who made great results in the 1st season. Maccabi last season was 1 one win away from F4 and to be honest I think this PAO squad is much better. Barca, even Milano, Fener, Monaco...all new squads in the recent years who played at F4. Ok, they had 2, 3 players from the season before but that's nothing. This roster is pretty nice. I am trying to be objective at the fullest and I think it's definitely top 5 in the terms of quality. And then there is OAKA. Tell me one team who will be favourites in the OAKA against Panathinaikos? Not even Real. Fans are thristy for basketball and it should be full arena almost every game. 2 crucial players in this roster are Sloukas and Juancho and both know how to play big games. Sloukas won ELs, Juancho MVP of the European Championship finals. Also everyone other from the 1st lineup played playoffs in the EL, also from the bench and some played last year final in the Eurocup. Playoff is minimum and without Russian teams, Efes and Milano looking not that impressive, same goes for Barca, Olympiacos lost 2 best players, Baskonia nowhere close to their best days, Maccabi with maybe even worse team than last year...I think then F4 should be goal and it should be done.

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                      • Originally posted by Edgar View Post
                        <- fingers crossed emoji (in case it doesn’t render)
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                        • Originally posted by Toruko View Post

                          It is reported just as you said. According to the accuser Itoudis also insulted the Turkish culture and the way of living. It must have been a hard day for him.
                          It fits "perfectly" to use here the greek phrase for describing someone being furious, and say that Itoudis became Turk

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                          • Originally posted by tonia View Post

                            It fits "perfectly" to use here the greek phrase for describing someone being furious, and say that Itoudis became Turk
                            A Greek girl from my university time told me once that her grandma said the Turks will come and get her if she is not well-behaved. lol

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                            • Originally posted by Toruko View Post

                              A Greek girl from my university time told me once that her grandma said the Turks will come and get her if she is not well-behaved. lol
                              I think we use more often the phase "the gypsies will come and get you". So, sorry, you are not that scary anymore ​​​​

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                              • Barca terminated Cory Higgins' contract. Any rumours about where he might sign next after the Zvezda talk cooled? Would Fener fans gratefully embrace him?

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