European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Does carpenter here mean someone without talent?

Yep. absolutely. He was third center in nice but not very successful Valencia team. Kattash does not believe in post up plays, he needs spacing. Rivero is not that, period. We have a problem similar to what Pao had, with a bit less drama. Owners, who can't or won't invest, but won't bring additional investors or sell to someone with more money altogether. We were very lucky to get BBB trio, and to retain them. This window of opportunity is exactly one year long. May be two. And these ridiculous owners decided to shit on this opportunity.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Could mean The Saviour

No, not really.

[Edgar]

Pao and Mykhailiuk really close to the agreement. Great transfer.

[Jazz]

Yes sure. Europe is just escaping from working in Walmart for Americans. That's why Dorsey went in Dallas for the 2 way contract, no playing time guaranteed, and 250k net money instead of staying in Europe last year.

Bob, any rumours about where Prepelic will play next season?

[paspalj]

Yep. absolutely.

Τhe only reason I asked is because in greek we use a similar expression. Not "carpenter" really, more like "lumberjack" but still, a person that deals with wood on a professional basis So I was just curious about the expression used.

[paspalj]

Pao and Mykhailiuk really close to the agreement. Great transfer.

I'm really optimistic for F4 next year if there is patience from all parties involved

[janketa]

Bob, any rumours about where Prepelic will play next season?

I dreamed to see him instead of Willbekin But then I woke up and clown is still here

Now seriously, Prepelic is realy solid sg and Kokoskov made big mistake not bringing him in Fener

[markkanen]

Yep. absolutely. He was third center in nice but not very successful Valencia team. Kattash does not believe in post up plays, he needs spacing. Rivero is not that, period. We have a problem similar to what Pao had, with a bit less drama. Owners, who can't or won't invest, but won't bring additional investors or sell to someone with more money altogether. We were very lucky to get BBB trio, and to retain them. This window of opportunity is exactly one year long. May be two. And these ridiculous owners decided to shit on this opportunity.

Third center? He was second center after Dubljevic, Alexander was the third. And lets talk about centers in Maccabi! Who is going to replace Poythress in you roster? I mean, Cohen is joke, Sorkin is nothing special, and Maccabi only have Nebo in that position. So, Webb in, Martin out, Poythress out, Rivero in.

[Edgar]

I also don't understand why people critcize Rivero. He is basically the same guy like Poythress, at least in the offense. Had some really nice games and was practically playing every game 20 minutes max so his numbers are pretty solid. You can't get Embiid as your 2nd center.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Third center? He was second center after Dubljevic, Alexander was the third.

Alexander played more games, but Ok, let's call Rivero second center in mediocre team.

And lets talk about centers in Maccabi! Who is going to replace Poythress in you roster?

The intention this summer was not to "replace" Poythress. It was to fine tune roster, getting 4 instead of Martin (Webb) and five who is better suited for Kattash's system. So called 4.5, who can get some spacing, and give 3 pointers, together with some rim protection and PnR. Rivero is neither of those things.

I mean, Cohen is joke

and yet he coming back into rotation sparked the best month of Maccabi with the best basketball in EL, all because of spacing.

Sorkin is nothing special

He is pretty good, and still improving. Nothing to be ashamed of.

and Maccabi only have Nebo in that position.

Sorkin and Nebo, actually, but neither of them was supposed to be in first center position. Poythress was supposed to be first center, after great seasons in Zenith, and equally great summer Mundobasket qualifiers (defended Tavared very well, actually).

So, Webb in, Martin out, Poythress out, Rivero in.

Webb is Ok with me, even though he would be great together with Martin, and not instead.
As for Rivero, we taking out supposedly first center and bringing. let's say second center of mediocre team? Not good enough.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

I also don't understand why people critcize Rivero. He is basically the same guy like Poythress, at least in the offense. Had some really nice games and was practically playing every game 20 minutes max so his numbers are pretty solid. You can't get Embiid as your 2nd center.

LOL, Poythress with injury is almost same guy as Rivero at his best, yeah... And nobody asked for Embid - just Noah Vonleh...

[ronmercer80]

LOL, Poythress with injury is almost same guy as Rivero at his best, yeah... And nobody asked for Embid - just Noah Vonleh...

We are talking about a team which released Poythress because he earned too much.

Of course there are better solutions but with the budget available Rivero is the best or one of the best players you can sign. Real centers cost a lot and this property doesn't spend, especially after having sold all the tickets for the whole season.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

We are talking about a team which released Poythress because he earned too much.

Of course there are better solutions but with the budget available Rivero is the best or one of the best players you can sign. Real centers cost a lot and this property doesn't spend, especially after having sold all the tickets for the whole season.

So why do you think I am very critical of team management for not investing much? The management said that, supposedly, the problem with Poythress was lack of compatibility with Kattash's system. Poythress agreed to a cut, but was released nevertheless. And then they bring someone which is equally, if not more, incompatible.
As for better solutions? Maccabi should have united Spanish national team center and power forward with team point guard and we would be talking about F4. Just 3-4 millions of euro. Not easy, but Maccabi owners have to understand that times changed and we can't survive with peanuts and glass beads. What was the point extending one of the best EL back courts while not strengthening weak points?

Oh, and don't get me wrong. Webb is good signing (Shane Larkin and Donatas Urbonas think so too). Cleveland is arguably better than Angola, and Tamir Blastt is better than Ziv, and will provide so much needed rest to Lorenzo. We just needed to add to this good 4/5... AND we bring f...ing Rivero....

[Edgar]

LOL, Poythress with injury is almost same guy as Rivero at his best, yeah... And nobody asked for Embid - just Noah Vonleh...

You wanted a big guy who can space the floor and your wish was Noah Vonleh???
The same Noah Vonleh who made like 2 3 pt shots in the last 5 years? The guy who was 15 pts guy in the Shanghai Sharks? He would average 2.3 pts per game with his offensive skill in the Euroleague. Rivero ain't Anthony Davis, but he is damn better in the EL than Vonleh.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

You wanted a big guy who can space the floor and your wish was Noah Vonleh???
The same Noah Vonleh who made like 2 3 pt shots in the last 5 years? The guy who was 15 pts guy in the Shanghai Sharks? He would average 2.3 pts per game with his offensive skill in the Euroleague. Rivero ain't Anthony Davis, but he is damn better in the EL than Vonleh.

Well, I wanted both Hernangomez brothers in Maccabi, but that is impossible with current owners. Being realistic, I personally wanted Poythress to stay, and Kattash to change a bit his ways. Or get Kaminsky, for a change. I am not big fan of Vonleh either, however I disagree that he would be worse than Rivera. Damn, even Martin would be better than Rivera, who is a fc-ing hole in defence.
In beginning of summer I was entertained by idea getting Kaboklo and Kobolka together Would be nice to hear EL commentator to break his tongue