European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours

[Edgar]

I agree Juancho should stay. His contribution in the defense is huge even though he plays 10-15 mins. There is no way he can get any rhythm in the offense when Ataman put him on the bench after 1 missed shot. When Mitoglou was injured Juancho played great. Then everything changed when he broke finger, Mitoglou started to play great and now it's problem to get back in the rotation. I think he can have great season like Peters does this season. He just needs chance. On the other hand Vildoza is crackhead and I don't want him to stay. If we can ship him somewhere that's great. He had much more chances to prove himself than Juancho and he was horrible. Also always injured.

If Nunn stays I think it would be crazy to sign Micic (I don't think he will be available and I think he will stay in the Hornets). Nunn, Sloukas, Micic, Grant...that's too much for me as everyone needs 20-25 mins. I would rather have someone like Dorsey or Howard(I don't believe in this but it would be great). Someone who can become crazy hot in 10-15 mins. But since it's Ataman and his well known short rotation I would rather have Dorsey. Ofc, if Nunn doesn't stay then I would want Micic or Howard. Hopefully he will stay.

I think SF position is crucial. If we can get Hezonja for starting SF with Lithuanian Cyclist as 2nd SF that would be awesome...Papapetrou for me is just not the player for Ataman. Maybe if he stays in the corner whole game but then he should play PF. Ataman through his whole career likes small forwards or plays guards at that position who can create and shoot. Papapetrou is just not that. His passport is saving him.

Aborut C, ofc Tavares would be wet dream even though Lessort would suffer a lot but I would be much more than happy if Poirier joins. Or someone who can stretch the floor like Voigtmann(I think with C who stays on the 3pt line would mean Nunn or Hezonja would have feast in the paint).

Nunn-Sloukas-Moraitis
Grant-Dorsey-Kalaitzakis
Hezonja-Grigonis
Mitoglou-Juancho
Lessort-Poirier-Kostas A

This team would be crazy good. Everything better than this (Tavares, Micic...) is just even better.

[coinho]

PANATHINAIKOS should get hezonja, micic or another top combo guard and tavares or another good center. Theiss is also good. Even poirier is good and will help where we have problem (rim protection).

Sloukas-grant
Micic-nunn
Cyclist-hezonja-Papapetrou
Juancho-Mitoglou (still consider juancho a great player much better than mitoglou. Maybe if vezenkov comes back things change here)
Lessort-Poirier-Antetokunbo (both lessort and poirier are better than tavares this season)

Giannakopoulos said the roster will be better than 2009 and the budget will be the number 1 in the league next season. The initial plan was 100m for 3 years after ataman was announced

No way that Juancho is "much better" then Mitoglou..
Mitoglou is two class above Juancho, Juancho is one of the biggest flops this season.. And Mitoglou as domestic player is pure gold for Panathinaikos..

[saras]

PANATHINAIKOS should get hezonja, micic or another top combo guard and tavares or another good center. Theiss is also good. Even poirier is good and will help where we have problem (rim protection).

Sloukas-grant
Micic-nunn
Cyclist-hezonja-Papapetrou
Juancho-Mitoglou (still consider juancho a great player much better than mitoglou. Maybe if vezenkov comes back things change here)
Lessort-Poirier-Antetokunbo (both lessort and poirier are better than tavares this season)

Giannakopoulos said the roster will be better than 2009 and the budget will be the number 1 in the league next season. The initial plan was 100m for 3 years after ataman was announced

[paspalj]

I find it very hard to ditch Vildoza and Juancho. Teams will be like “I’ll pay max 200k for them, Pao can suck it and pay the rest”. Also although Juancho underperforms I don’t want him to leave. I think he can offer a lot and I’m optimistic that he’ll be way more valuable in his second year.

How is my part confusing lol

I’m sorry I might be reading this wrong but I still find it confusing I do agree with your conclusions though.

[EverGreen]

I know, but this is different situation. This team won't have a lot of changes. Maybe Hezonja, definitely new center and then Nunn. He is literally the main player. I don't think Panathinaikos will allow themselves to wait till end of the summer to see him going somewhere in the NBA. What to do then? All good players have clubs already then. I don't see Panathinaikos being very flexible but we will see. Last summer we had to wait because we didn't have anyone and we were making team from the bottom.

As things stand currently PAO would look for 3 new additions. Vildoza, Juancho and Balce are on their way out unless things change dramatically on how they play. Vildoza has another 2 years at 1,7 a season, Juancho another on 2,3 million but I don't think they will want to stay if Ataman says he has no confidence in them. They will go to the highest bidder for their contract. PAO might have to carry some of that freight. All we need basically is Hezonja, Micic and Tavarez. If Nunn doesnt stay, expect an offer for Larkin. I wouldnt mind Veselj even at his age. I've always liked him.

[Edgar]

Olympiakos waited for the last possible minute for Dorsey and signed him. It was a success. PAO waited a very long time for Mykhailiuk. We were very patient with him. After he signed with Boston we went for Kendrick Nunn. Thankfully Oly was desparate because of the poor start and in a state of panic signed Brazdeikis who has been a major flop. PAO failed in many signing expeditions in Punter, Veselj (Barca rejected the 1 million buy out we offered), Shengelia (Virtus wanted money to release him to PAO after they found out we were offering buy outs), we asked RM about Hezonja with Madrid replying WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING, Mirotic rejected a 6 million over 2 years contract because he didnt want to suffer the toxicity of PAO-OLY, Willy Hernangomez rejected PAO's offer for Barca so in a desperate state we signed Balcerowski hoping it would work.

We had money to spend but either players or clubs were rejecting us. Sloukas was the first major coup. Once talks broke down with Oly, DPG went all in offering Costas the biggest contract of his career. Ataman and DPG knew that Sloukas would draw other good players. With Sloukas the new PAO team had a shot for the play ins. With Nun we have a shot for the F4. That's the differance they make. Grigonis was expecting to be tapped on the shoulder to find a new team but he said to PAO he wants to start training early before the pre-season. PAO appointed him a coach and he started his personal preseason 25 days before the actual beginning of PAO's pre-season!!! That's how badly he wanted to prove he belonged to the team. It helped that Ataman once said in an interview many years ago that Grigonis is a player he likes.

I know, but this is different situation. This team won't have a lot of changes. Maybe Hezonja, definitely new center and then Nunn. He is literally the main player. I don't think Panathinaikos will allow themselves to wait till end of the summer to see him going somewhere in the NBA. What to do then? All good players have clubs already then. I don't see Panathinaikos being very flexible but we will see. Last summer we had to wait because we didn't have anyone and we were making team from the bottom.

[EverGreen]

You think Panathinaikos would do that? We are talking about very likely main player for the next season. Maybe if the date is 10th July...but no way tilk 8th month. I don't recall any serious EL team waiting so much with the Americans to decide about NBA. Singleton had similar case but the situation back then and now is way different.

Olympiakos waited for the last possible minute for Dorsey and signed him. It was a success. PAO waited a very long time for Mykhailiuk. We were very patient with him. After he signed with Boston we went for Kendrick Nunn. Thankfully Oly was desparate because of the poor start and in a state of panic signed Brazdeikis who has been a major flop. PAO failed in many signing expeditions in Punter, Veselj (Barca rejected the 1 million buy out we offered), Shengelia (Virtus wanted money to release him to PAO after they found out we were offering buy outs), we asked RM about Hezonja with Madrid replying WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING, Mirotic rejected a 6 million over 2 years contract because he didnt want to suffer the toxicity of PAO-OLY, Willy Hernangomez rejected PAO's offer for Barca so in a desperate state we signed Balcerowski hoping it would work. Cambazzo was our number 1 target but he rejected a larger financial offer for the familiarity of Madrid.

We had money to spend but either players or clubs were rejecting us. Sloukas was the first major coup. Once talks broke down with Oly, DPG went all in offering Costas the biggest contract of his career. Ataman and DPG knew that Sloukas was a big piece we were after. With Sloukas the new PAO team had a shot for the play ins. With Nun we have a shot for the F4. That's the differance they make. Grigonis was expecting to be tapped on the shoulder to find a new team but he said to PAO he wants to start training early before the pre-season. PAO appointed him a coach and he started his personal preseason 25 days before the actual beginning of PAO's pre-season!!! That's how badly he wanted to prove he belonged to the team. It helped that Ataman once said in an interview many years ago that Grigonis is a player he likes.

Untimately we didn't manage a single top priority signing, if we had our way with our main targets our starting 5 would be:

1) Campazzo, Vildoza, Grant
2) Punter, Sloukas
3)Hezonja, Papapetrou, Grigonis(???)
4) Mirotic, Mitoglou
5) Veselj, Lessort, Kostas Antetokounpo

That would be a pretty scary team to play against

[Edgar]

If he wants to find another team in the NBA I'm sure PAO will give him a cut off date. Couple names already swirling in the wind for PAO in Larkin and Micic.

You think Panathinaikos would do that? We are talking about very likely main player for the next season. Maybe if the date is 10th July...but no way tilk 8th month. I don't recall any serious EL team waiting so much with the Americans to decide about NBA. Singleton had similar case but the situation back then and now is way different.

[Edgar]

Your wording is confusing and contradictory(?). Like, you write that he will refuse to find an NBA contract and that will be a mistake but then you say that he doesn't have a place in the NBA anymore. Did you mean to write something else?

How is my part confusing lol

I have listened his interview where he said doesn't want to be 15th guy on the roster. That means he seeks at least to be reserve guard. He will be 29 in the summer. He is great offensive player but not in the NBA. He is below average there. In the defense not nearly good enough. I don't see any team giving him 4, 5M dollars per year at all. Maybe 2M at best...I think Panathinaikos can offer him way more + without US state income tax. But, as I said, I don't think he sees himself like I do see him and I think he will try till the end to find NBA contract. Hopefully I am wrong because next season he can be EL MVP.

[coinho]

Nunn should stay in Panathinaikos, he found himself there and with big contract which will surley be offered to him i dont see much obstacles.
Only obstacle can be his "superstar" head.

[EverGreen]

If he wants to find another team in the NBA I'm sure PAO will give him a cut off date. Couple names already swirling in the wind for PAO in Larkin and Micic.

[paspalj]

Even though he said he enjoys to be in Greece I have a feeling he will refuse to seek NBA contract and he will make huge mistake. I don't think he has a place anymore in the NBA at his age, the way he plays and especially with the role he wants.

Your wording is confusing and contradictory(?). Like, you write that he will refuse to find an NBA contract and that will be a mistake but then you say that he doesn't have a place in the NBA anymore. Did you mean to write something else?

[Edgar]

My eye caught it somewhere. The reasoning is for Nun to make as much money money as possible taking into account the higher tax rate in the U.S.

Even though he said he enjoys to be in Greece I have a feeling he will refuse to seek NBA contract and he will make huge mistake. I don't think he has a place anymore in the NBA at his age, the way he plays and especially with the role he wants.

[EverGreen]

Where did you see this last part?

My eye caught it somewhere. The reasoning is for Nun to make as much money money as possible taking into account the higher tax rate in the U.S.

[paspalj]

PAO has made a 2 year contract offer to Kendrick Nunn to continue with improved financial terms.

Where did you see this last part?