i'm impressed by pana. sloukas is an enormous add, but what else? overrate team till now.impressed by Ataman choices.
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Originally posted by tonia View Post
Supporting Olympiakos is not my favorite thing, but come on.. They had a great season, finished 1st at regular season and were really close to win the championship. So, why not be a tempting destination? They have already signed Milutinov, don't you consider him as a European star?
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Originally posted by paspalj View PostPanathinaikos has officialy extended an offer to Papapetrou, 1.5 mil for 2 years. The article from SDNA mentions that Ataman has requested a strong greek core which goes a bit against what our Turkish friends have said here about him.
Ataman being a vocal Galatasaray fan, he sounds like he missed coaching a team with passionate fans (Efes has lots of fans, but way too peaceful). This is going to be a great experiment to follow, whichever direction it goes .5 out 6 scientists say Russian roulette is safe.
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Originally posted by Levenspiel View PostThe only local player he had trusted was Sanli. All others had a hard time with him both on and off the court. I put most of the blame on him, but not all. He has high expectations and little patience. Most players cannot flourish under that pressure. Onuralp Bitim almost quit bball, Saybir looked dead, and both of them immediately shined once out (you can add Musa and Petrusev to the list). Previously decent players (Gecim, Arna, Guven, etc etc) disappeared. Maybe he will have a different approach in Greece, or maybe his players will react better than Turkish. We will see.
Ataman being a vocal Galatasaray fan, he sounds like he missed coaching a team with passionate fans (Efes has lots of fans, but way too peaceful). This is going to be a great experiment to follow, whichever direction it goes .3rd, Euroleague IBN prediction game 2019
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Originally posted by AmonRA View Postteodosic zu zvezda
i was hoping that dusko would selecting players, but not, covic again making his wishes which always are big fails..
if bjelica also come, we could easily switch to eurocup..
obviously we are making team for top14
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Originally posted by Levenspiel View PostThe only local player he had trusted was Sanli. All others had a hard time with him both on and off the court. I put most of the blame on him, but not all. He has high expectations and little patience. Most players cannot flourish under that pressure. Onuralp Bitim almost quit bball, Saybir looked dead, and both of them immediately shined once out (you can add Musa and Petrusev to the list). Previously decent players (Gecim, Arna, Guven, etc etc) disappeared. Maybe he will have a different approach in Greece, or maybe his players will react better than Turkish. We will see.
Ataman being a vocal Galatasaray fan, he sounds like he missed coaching a team with passionate fans (Efes has lots of fans, but way too peaceful). This is going to be a great experiment to follow, whichever direction it goes .
The Greek Euroleague player pool is much wider, and the players in his roster are capable of making direct contributions. Players like Sloukas, Mitoglou, Papagiannis or Papapetrou are proven players and it is fact that they are not included in the team solely because they are Greek. The belief that Ataman has an aversion to domestic players is completely false. Ataman can not tolerate weakness or lack of enthusiasm in players. Some players, especially Turkish ones, want their egos to be stroked and expect the coach to be more instructive or paternal, but Ataman is definitely not that type of person. It can be debated whether this is the right approach, but this approach has never changed in him, and he has achieved many things with this character.Sports is not only considered as a superiority of physical capability. Perception, intelligence and morality assist it as well. The strong with less intelligence and comprehension can not cope with the less strong but with sufficient intelligence and comprehension. I like the sportsman who is intelligent, agile as well as morally upright.Mustafa Kemal ATATURK
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Originally posted by slice me nice View Post
During Ataman's career at Efes, he never had a strong core of Turkish players who could compete at the Euroleague level. I have never thought that this was a matter of trust or distrust in domestic players, and I believe people often criticize Ataman unnecessarily in this regard. Among the main Turkish players he coached during his time at Efes, such as Gecim, Sanli, Tuncer, Young Bitim and Young Saybir, Guven, and Gazi, Sanli was the only player who could contribute effectively in the Euroleague and Ataman already knew how to get the maximum performance from him. In the last 3-4 seasons, there hasn't been a Turkish player market capable of playing at the Euroleague level. Now we have a couple of players like Kabaca or Bitim who can contribute at this level, but Ataman never had the chance to play with players of this profile.
The Greek Euroleague player pool is much wider, and the players in his roster are capable of making direct contributions. Players like Sloukas, Mitoglou, Papagiannis or Papapetrou are proven players and it is fact that they are not included in the team solely because they are Greek. The belief that Ataman has an aversion to domestic players is completely false. Ataman can not tolerate weakness or lack of enthusiasm in players. Some players, especially Turkish ones, want their egos to be stroked and expect the coach to be more instructive or paternal, but Ataman is definitely not that type of person. It can be debated whether this is the right approach, but this approach has never changed in him, and he has achieved many things with this character.
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Originally posted by Toruko View Post
Abolute true. In addition to that he gave every player a chance (more or less). Gecim for example had many opportunities to prove himself but he couldnt contribute but playing in a well functioning elite team it isnt that easy anyway. The only thing Efes and Ataman could be blamed is the lack of information about Turkish players.
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Milos Teodosic is Officially signing a 1+1 contract with Crvena. The 36 year old veteran will be the replacement of Vildoza and probably Campazzo aswell.
i mean, 600k for him isnt much, but if its known, 2nd pg wont be better then teo, then this is ridiculous
ponitka also close to zvezda, another scrap from pao..
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Originally posted by AmonRA View Post
replacing facu and vildoza with 37 years old teo.. seems legit
i mean, 600k for him isnt much, but if its known, 2nd pg wont be better then teo, then this is ridiculous
ponitka also close to zvezda, another scrap from pao..3rd, Euroleague IBN prediction game 2019
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By all accounts, PAO played worse that expected, however almost all of our players, except (maybe) for Papagiannis and Lee, are considered "scraps".
I agree that Ponitka is a good player, he can post at a good level and he is also a good passer.
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