European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours

[saras]

Exum would suit well in the mix but if you want a working team with these 3 you have to have a rim protecting big. With Papagiannis this will not work for sure. Teo and de Colo were covered up by a very solid big rotation with strong rebounding and defending bigs.

Whether papagiannis stays or not, we are looking for another center as well. Lessort and Davies are the names we know so far. None of them suits really well with papagiannis cause all 3 of them are soft + davies is not that good defensively. Lessort would be good if papagiannis was 15kg more or he had a good season like the last and not this year's.

Csska won the euroleague with freeland (inactive) and hines (great spirit) as their bigs. They had good forwards to cover their backcourt. Thats what we should as well, but more important is to make a strong offensive backcourt

[Toruko]

Whether papagiannis stays or not, we are looking for another center as well. Lessort and Davies are the names we know so far. None of them suits really well with papagiannis cause all 3 of them are soft + davies is not that good defensively. Lessort would be good if papagiannis was 15kg more or he had a good season like the last and not this year's.

Csska won the euroleague with freeland (inactive) and hines (great spirit) as their bigs. They had good forwards to cover their backcourt. Thats what we should as well, but more important is to make a strong offensive backcourt

I dont think that B. Davies is a bad defender although he cant protect the rim. His offensive arsenal is just too limited. A solid low post center but the offensive output is just horrible. Papagiannis surely took one or two steps backwards after his great season one or two years ago.

[janketa]

And its 2023, games are won by offense. The only ones that keep talking about defence are some idiot greeks.

Add to that some Turks present here, stucked in past basketball times and Boza Maljkovic philosophy Every roster must include 5 rim protectors at least

Who will score never mind, who cares as long as rim is protected

[Jazz]

Monaco have made a significant offer to Milutinov.

[Levenspiel]

Why did Ataman really leave Efes? Because of the money that PAO offered him?

The guy has a max shelf-life. He starts to sour past that and becomes intolerable. I read there were many disagreements during the season between him and the management, and not always bball-related. Otherwise, Efes wouldn't sack a successful coach after just one bad season.

[Levenspiel]

With this roster Efes doesn't have luxury to waste season or two in waiting some kid grow as a coach

You know how difficult is in today shallow market bringing high profile players and Efes has 3 or even four of them. For such roster Pascual for instance was worth of much harder shoot then Efes did as I know

Scenario you mentioned was more suitable when Larkin, Micic and Clyburn leave, then Can could start from the scratch building new team and probably waste year or two.

you are right, but those coaches were not available. among the available options, I understand why Efes would take a risk and opt for Can.

Micic is most likely leaving. I know we say this every summer, but I guess it's time.

[tonia]

No, because he thinks he's the best solution for the dead teams. It's a kind of motivation, he call this; challenge. He could be wright, or not... we'll see.

I think that it would be more challenging for him to make Efes EL champion again, rather than make PAO a competitive team, but who knows..
Maybe the challenge is whether he can persuade players to accept PAO' s high offers and sign them.

[paspalj]

And its 2023, games are won by offense. The only ones that keep talking about defence are some idiot greeks, fans of pedoulakis or the so called "greek coaching philosophy". And when our NT gets raped by spain or serbia they wonder why that keeps on happening even though spain plays with abalde or some random eurocup players.

Playing defense is not some remnant of the past, some mystical ability that was lost in favor of high octane offense. It is an integral part of the game which is essential if you want to win championships. Good offense always wins over good defense, that is true. But you need at least some back up plan for the days that the shots are not falling.

You keep bringing this up but it's not true. No one likes Pedoulakis bball. Everyone likes talented offensive players. You mention CSKA but you leave out player that could actually defend like Jackson, Khryapa. Also Vorontsevich was a decent rebounder. Basketball has moved on and so have the fans. In terms of the national team we don't actively seek out defensive players, but we don't have any gifted scorers :P The one we have tends to disappear as the moments get more important. This is a big issue of the development process that I've talked about in the past, I will not expand more here.

So sure, bring Exum and Punter and whatever highflying SF you like. But then there is no way you keep Papagiannis. You need bigs that seem like they just got out of prison ready to fight everyone. I'm talking tattoos and gold teeth and a bad reputation. I'm talking hedge out defense, quick feet, rebounding like the ball is made out of diamonds and blocks as if the hoop is your baby.

But most importantly, I just want our team to resemble a normal basketball team again. That's all I ask. Some normal basketball and stay away from front office drama. That's all I want for this upcoming year.

[LuDux]

I have a feeling that by "defense" some people mean "playing slower"

[ronmercer80]

Dibartolomeo signs with Maccabi till 2025.

A player regenerated by Katash.

[saras]

Playing defense is not some remnant of the past, some mystical ability that was lost in favor of high octane offense. It is an integral part of the game which is essential if you want to win championships. Good offense always wins over good defense, that is true. But you need at least some back up plan for the days that the shots are not falling.

You keep bringing this up but it's not true. No one likes Pedoulakis bball. Everyone likes talented offensive players. You mention CSKA but you leave out player that could actually defend like Jackson, Khryapa. Also Vorontsevich was a decent rebounder. Basketball has moved on and so have the fans. In terms of the national team we don't actively seek out defensive players, but we don't have any gifted scorers :P The one we have tends to disappear as the moments get more important. This is a big issue of the development process that I've talked about in the past, I will not expand more here.

So sure, bring Exum and Punter and whatever highflying SF you like. But then there is no way you keep Papagiannis. You need bigs that seem like they just got out of prison ready to fight everyone. I'm talking tattoos and gold teeth and a bad reputation. I'm talking hedge out defense, quick feet, rebounding like the ball is made out of diamonds and blocks as if the hoop is your baby.

But most importantly, I just want our team to resemble a normal basketball team again. That's all I ask. Some normal basketball and stay away from front office drama. That's all I want for this upcoming year.

And you write messages about possibly keeping gay and sissy players like grigonis. yeah sure. btw exum is an excelent defender, but maybe you prefer mantzaris and others. you mention jackson and khryapa, but you only remember papagiannis on the other hand and ignore the fact that panathinaikos is also looking for players to defend in the forwards. let me inform you that we are looking for another center and that has nothing to do with papagiannis, if he leaves then we will get 2 more centers (and im not even counting antetokunbo who will be the 3rd one).

The front office drama is just a thing for some chips lovers in the stands, or some random american boys that havent seen the stadium since they were kids and all they do is blaming the front office when team doesnt succeed. Those people even mention obradovic and saying it was DPG the reason he left because obradovic doesnt like the drama. And obradovic chose to go to a team (fener) whose president at that time was fighting in a woman's turkish league game and had served time in prison. It wasnt the fact that fener offered him triple budget, it was the drama he wanted to avoid. You not only have 0 knowledge on basketball but you are also funny

[saras]

According to this we are willing to make an offer to buy tavares from real madrid with 1,5M and offer him a contract over 2,7M/year. His contract ends next summer and i think he has already declined an offer from real to renew.

https://www.defensacentral.com/baloncesto/1687268463-el-panathinaikos-dispuesto-a-llevarse-a-tavares-este-verano-la-oferta-esta-fuera-de-mercado

Also according to sdna.gr from yesterday's live show, the budget next season for panathinaikos will be around 20M, while this year's was (after getting bacon and thomas) around 10M, talking about salaries

[paspalj]

And you write messages about possibly keeping gay and sissy players like grigonis. yeah sure. btw exum is an excelent defender, but maybe you prefer mantzaris and others. you mention jackson and khryapa, but you only remember papagiannis on the other hand and ignore the fact that panathinaikos is also looking for players to defend in the forwards. let me inform you that we are looking for another center and that has nothing to do with papagiannis, if he leaves then we will get 2 more centers (and im not even counting antetokunbo who will be the 3rd one).

The front office drama is just a thing for some chips lovers in the stands, or some random american boys that havent seen the stadium since they were kids and all they do is blaming the front office when team doesnt succeed. Those people even mention obradovic and saying it was DPG the reason he left because obradovic doesnt like the drama. And obradovic chose to go to a team (fener) whose president at that time was fighting in a woman's turkish league game and had served time in prison. It wasnt the fact that fener offered him triple budget, it was the drama he wanted to avoid. You not only have 0 knowledge on basketball but you are also funny

Although I would refrain from such colorful adjectives for professional athletes I never said I wanted Grigonis to stay. I merely mentioned that he is under contract so it might not be easy to get rid of him. Another thing I didn't say is that I prefer Matzaris to Exum or whatever it is you're getting at. I only said although basketball has shifted to a higher pace, defense is not something that we just forget that exists. Another thing I didn't do is ignore that we are looking for bigs. I only said that if we are building a strong offensive back court we want good rebounding/defensive bigs to help them out.

Ah you're going with the American route again. Would it help for future discussion if I told you I left Greece when I was 30 years old?

And then you go on to talk about Obradovic (who clearly lives rent free in your head) and Fener and completely miss the point. DPG and his actions are the laughing stock of Europe whether you like or not. He single handedly destroyed a great team. That's of course just adding to his homophobic, nationalistic, close to fascist persona but I don't want to get into this discussion now.

All in all, once again you build strawmen and you attack them with all your might.

Anyway, you are a Pao fan so we both hope we'll see our team be great again so whatever. I don't understand why you need to be hostile with every single post.

[paspalj]

According to this we are willing to make an offer to buy tavares from real madrid with 1,5M and offer him a contract over 2,7M/year. His contract ends next summer and i think he has already declined an offer from real to renew.

That would be an incredible and completely unexpected transfer.

[ronmercer80]

If Pana has such a high budget I don't think it will be a problem to make an agreement with Grigonis, pay him some compensation and break his contract.