Euroleague / European Club Competitions 2022/23 - Signings & Rumours

[janketa]

I am very curious why Itoudis isn't interested for Grigonis, he brought him once already so he likes him.

If pao brings him congretulations, you have right player for that position.

Regarding Clyburn he was the best player two seasons ago(covid season). There is my post here about him that time

If he is still the best we don't know, currently it's Larkin

We yet don't know what will happen with NBA options, but if some miracle Micic and Larkin stay in Efes, imho the best 3 players in EL will be there.

But I doubt Micic will stay, Misko will dig deep for his provision. He will return after 2 or 3 seasons like 90% NBA hype players

[Straight forward]

I dont see Barca defeating Efes with Larkin, Micic and Clyburn. Most of the guys talk about Mirotic or Larkin but the best player in the Euroleague is Clyburn. Having two guards and Clyburn is hardly beatable. I dont like the Zizic move but the center position is not very important, at least he is able to grab some rebounds and is a tough fellow.

Vesely is an injury prone and tends to flip out in important games. Sato is an upgrade to Calathes a massive upgrade but he can only deliver 40% what Micic can do on offense and Mirotic cant defend at all. Considering how new this team will be and the final four will be taken place in Istanbul Efes has the upper hand.

Micic, Larkin, Clyburn is off course probably the deadliest backcourt in EL. WIth that I agree and I didn't say that Barsa will win EL I said that they should be in final 4 and win ACB (a must!).

But! Have in mind Satoransky may be a good shooter in EL. NBA range is too distant for him, but shot the ball well in the NT. He's a better facilitator than Micic. Yeah, overall Micic is better, but it's huge improvement and no-one will be leaving Satoransky wide open like Nick. Then Kalinic is probably the best shot to slow down Clyburn and he can really do it. Clyburn is a good player, but takes too many crappy shots. His ISO game is often getting out of hand. Another thing, Barsa this season didn't have Higgins basically. If he can remind his old self than it's a big boost. Plus, a lot will depend on Jokubaitis too. He's scratching the surface if becoming new Euro guard star. He has been making huge strides last 2 seasons and if he will continue this way, he may be truly ready for playoffs this season.

I think Barsa should look at the first season phase a bit more liberal. To use broader rotation, to lose some. They gave too much to win regular season and looked gassed at the end. That's on Saras. He has to project his team mental and physical condition more properly.

[Straight forward]

on). There is my post here about him that time

If he is still the best we don't know, currently it's Larkin

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Nah, definitely not Larkin...Too small, too limited...There's no way best EL player is the guy who can't even play in NBA..

Mirotic was a decent player in the NBA with serious role. Micic would grab some role. Larkin is small short handed midget who can ball only in EL and FIBA, but he's definitely not best one. I would project that Satoransky will be better player in EL. Camapazzo is surely not worse player than Larkin too. He may be back.

[Toruko]

CSKA lost the VTB finals despite having Clyburn in the team. Although he did have some injury problems last season.

He had already agreed to Efes then. Watch the final four first game in the first Euroleague winning year of Efes. He almost kicked Efes out by himself with such a trash team. He is the best two way player in the Euroleague and gives you option you can dream of with Micic and Larkin. From creating out of the post for himself to others, he can defend from 1 to 4 everything this guy is an one man army.

[Toruko]

If Vasilije Micić changed his name to Will Clyburn, then yes, I agree that Will Clyburn is the best Euroleague player.

We can talk about the first winning year of Efes but generally Clyburn is better. I would choose Clyburn always over Micic. Micic is a hell of a talented player but still very inconsistent.

[Toruko]

Micic, Larkin, Clyburn is off course probably the deadliest backcourt in EL. WIth that I agree and I didn't say that Barsa will win EL I said that they should be in final 4 and win ACB (a must!).

But! Have in mind Satoransky may be a good shooter in EL. NBA range is too distant for him, but shot the ball well in the NT. He's a better facilitator than Micic. Yeah, overall Micic is better, but it's huge improvement and no-one will be leaving Satoransky wide open like Nick. Then Kalinic is probably the best shot to slow down Clyburn and he can really do it. Clyburn is a good player, but takes too many crappy shots. His ISO game is often getting out of hand. Another thing, Barsa this season didn't have Higgins basically. If he can remind his old self than it's a big boost. Plus, a lot will depend on Jokubaitis too. He's scratching the surface if becoming new Euro guard star. He has been making huge strides last 2 seasons and if he will continue this way, he may be truly ready for playoffs this season.

I think Barsa should look at the first season phase a bit more liberal. To use broader rotation, to lose some. They gave too much to win regular season and looked gassed at the end. That's on Saras. He has to project his team mental and physical condition more properly.

Sato really developed his shot in the NBA but he is still not a good shooter generally. Maybe a good shot maker when he is uncontested but by far not a Larkin or Micic.

And you really think too much from 1 vs 1 perspective. Basketball doesnt work like this. Maybe in the NBA but not in Europe. Efes will use Clyburn as a post up and rim running guy and King Ataman will create out of the post with him for others. He will be doubled, he will kick a pass out to Larkin, Larkin will drive and kick out to Micic etc.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

No, that's Saras. Saras is prepared to pay big money just to get rid of him.

The difference between Calathes and Satoransky, both being bad shooters, is that Satoransky can hit wide open 3s decently, Calathes can't. Satoransky is better defender nowadays too.

Chacho and Calathes haven't much in common considering shooting. Leave Chacho open like teams are leaving Calathes and he's shooting 50%+ for 3.

Look, basketball has changed. Now Pfs must be great shooters and even many Cs are decent for 3. Pass-first point guards aka. daddy I can't shoot, are becoming extinct like dinosaurs.

Calathes has failed in Nba because of shooting and has failed in Pao in playoffs, 1/13, because of shooting. I agree that he could have been 1 of the best European players ever, if he was solid shooter. Unfortunately there are some things in life that can't be compensated.

Well, I agree,in today's basketball you must have players who CAN SHOOT (not necessarily pure shooters).
That is one of reasons I like (with some caveats) new Maccabi roster. While there is no pure shooter, there is, except Nebo, no player, which can't shoot 3p. And while percentages vary from low to high 30%s, there is not one player on perimeter whom defence can leave unguarded, or free in the corners, as many teams did with Caloiaro (and while he is a fighter, I am very happy he is out). That doesn't mean Maccabi will be playing standing game, I think we"ll see lots of transition, lots of pick and rolls and pick and pops...

[janketa]

Nah, definitely not Larkin...Too small, too limited...There's no way best EL player is the guy who can't even play in NBA..

Mirotic was a decent player in the NBA with serious role. Micic would grab some role. Larkin is small short handed midget who can ball only in EL and FIBA, but he's definitely not best one. I would project that Satoransky will be better player in EL. Camapazzo is surely not worse player than Larkin too. He may be back.

Larkin is not but you don't know who is Maybe Satoranski who yet to play his first serious game, because his last travel in EL was disaster, he was good but as I remember he won ZERO EL titles(in his best age). On the other side we have player with 2 back to back title(as leader). It's a little bit ridiculous to even explain this because it's such obvious, but it's ok.

Arguments like small, short etc could pass to someone who didn't watch him on the court, actually who didn't watch him at all

too limited...

This is priceless

[Serbian_Layup]

We can talk about the first winning year of Efes but generally Clyburn is better. I would choose Clyburn always over Micic. Micic is a hell of a talented player but still very inconsistent.

Generally or not, for the past two years Micić has been the best Euroleague player.

Euroleague MVP, back to back F4 MVP, Euroleague's best scorer, back to back Euroleague champion, clutched every big game for Efes for the past two seasons. If that is inconsistency, please find me a consistent player.

Talking about facts here.

[Worrax]

All in all; 3 of best 4, will play for Efes this year. That is fact and will be interesting to watch... of course if Micic stays.

[Toruko]

Generally or not, for the past two years Micić has been the best Euroleague player.

Euroleague MVP, back to back F4 MVP, Euroleague's best scorer, back to back Euroleague champion, clutched every big game for Efes for the past two seasons. If that is inconsistency, please find me a consistent player.

Talking about facts here.

I am also seeing the 324 wild bricks he had made, before he made the crucial shot. You can write "the most clutch" but not "the best".

[Toruko]

Off course when we talk about Barca they have some other weapons too now. Davis and Vesely there are not much difference defensively, both are very good on the defensive end. Vesely can stay better in front of smaller guys, Davis is a much better post defender but on the offense Barca gets with Vesely a guy who can finally make these mid range jumpers consistently and he is a hell of a passer and a lob target and Saras probably will try to use Satos length against smaller guards.

[Serbian_Layup]

I am also seeing the 324 wild bricks he had made, before he made the crucial shot. You can write "the most clutch" but not "the best".

Would you rather that he hit "324 wild bricks" and then missed the most important ones in Efes' history? You are emphasizing misses/unimportant bad games that didn't result in Efes losing, while neglecting games/plays/shots that made Efes' history. That's interesting.

Facts are facts. Micić has been the face of the Euroleague for the past two years, not Clayburn or anybody else.

[Toruko]

Would you rather that he hit "324 wild bricks" and then missed the most important ones in Efes' history? You are emphasizing misses/unimportant bad games that didn't result in Efes losing, while neglecting games/plays/shots that made Efes' history. That's interesting.

Facts are facts. Micić has been the face of the Euroleague for the past two years, not Clayburn or anybody else.

I suppose it is a matter of preference. For me being clutch or differently said making the crucial shots a part of being the best but its not everything. I like efficient player who makes the correct decision and being effective on both ends of the floor, as well.

[Serbian_Layup]

I suppose it is a matter of preference. For me being clutch or differently said making the crucial shots a part of being the best but its not everything. I like efficient player who makes the correct decision and being effective on both ends of the floor, as well.

Who said being clutch is everything? I personally think that the term "clutch" is being overused and overrated because at the end of the day it's a team effort that's winning or losing. I just pointed out to Micić's accomplishments in the past two years that clearly indicate that he is the best Euroleague player at the moment.

In all games that mattered the most for Efes in the past two years Micić was great at both ends of the floor and left the floor as the best player.